Td5 vs PUMA - Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by solmanic

I'm amazed. People actually think the Puma is noisier than a Td5 on the inside? No way, not a chance, nup, nope, negative, no.

I went straight from an 02MY Td5 to the Puma and the noise difference at highway speed is like chalk and cheese. We did our test drive hopping straight from the Td5 into the Puma and running up the freeway and back and my wife was sold on the spot thanks to the quieter running. Heaps, heaps quieter.

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you better change your sig line then:eek:

cheers phil

Just finalised the deal, only extras at this point in time are a steel ARB bull bar and a dual battery system with 2 x 12v outlets in the rear tray for my 40 lt engel and the mighty 70lt explorer fridge to keep all the cans cold, when I sell the D22 navara might add a few other items.....

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Originally Posted by colin s

G'day Heps,

I think we're in the same boat here. I ordered a new 130 last month, due for delivery by end of Nov ( i hope). I have had the pleasure of stealing my old man's TD5 90 for a fair few months, albeit a Portugese spec left hooker. Loved it, but being a continental spec the heating was awful in the UK. Shouldn't be an issue up here though.
I've also had the "pleasure" of owning a Troopy. Great truck but bloody awful driving position.
I do a bit of time up here in Carnarvon, may even bump into you. Hopefully not literally!!!:D

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Originally Posted by Heps

Just finalised the deal, only extras at this point in time are a steel ARB bull bar and a dual battery system with 2 x 12v outlets in the rear tray for my 40 lt engel and the mighty 70lt explorer fridge to keep all the cans cold, when I sell the D22 navara might add a few other items.....

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I trust you realise what you've done, Heps. You'll now be hooked for life, and if you get it bad enough, you may be able to think of little else, for hours at a time. You've been warned.
Congratulations on your choice. I'm sure it'll serve you well.

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Originally Posted by solmanic

I'm amazed. People actually think the Puma is noisier than a Td5 on the inside? No way, not a chance, nup, nope, negative, no.

I went straight from an 02MY Td5 to the Puma and the noise difference at highway speed is like chalk and cheese. We did our test drive hopping straight from the Td5 into the Puma and running up the freeway and back and my wife was sold on the spot thanks to the quieter running. Heaps, heaps quieter.

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Yep this is definitely the case. It's probably the thing I dislike the most about the TD5. The pumas are **much** quieter inside. I'm not sure how much of it is no vents, insulation, or just a quieter motor.

Anyway, we have a 4.5 year old Td5 that is now super well set up for what we want so I can't see us changing any time soon. There is so much time, effort and money in setting them up well I think it's worth investing in the newest one you can find, setting it up and keeping it. If you are one that doesn't need to mod your car then things may be different.

If we had to start again I think we would either do the same thing again (buy new) or try and get a second had TD5 that is already set up. I don't think I could justify buying a 3year old td5 and setting it up as you don't get as much value out of your mods.

As to the suitability... I'm watching their reliability with interest. I was amazed by Dm_td5's trip in his puma and the number of dealer visits he had along the way. We've never needed a mechanic or dealer on our trips (touch wood) :o

As I've had it explained to me, the puma is common rail direct injection whereas the Td5 is just direct injection. It would appear that the common rail system isn't as tolerant of water. That's a worry that can't easily be fixed. Also, blknight said that some of the bits aren't as well placed as on the td5 for offroading.

Just out of interest, what is the goss on the new defender? The Puma was mentioned as being a stop gap until the new D3 based defender arrived. That was supposed to be 2010 but that's nearly here now. How long is the defender in it's current form going to be around?

Just did a quick bit of googleing...looks like 2012 for a cut down simplified RRsport for the fender! I reckon in 2015 if this is turning out alright and I reckon I there will be another 10 years of fuel for 4wding around I might consider it!

2012 Defender

2012 Defender

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Yep this is definitely the case. It's probably the thing I dislike the most about the TD5. The pumas are **much** quieter inside. I'm not sure how much of it is no vents, insulation, or just a quieter motor.

Anyway, we have a 4.5 year old Td5 that is now super well set up for what we want so I can't see us changing any time soon. There is so much time, effort and money in setting them up well I think it's worth investing in the newest one you can find, setting it up and keeping it. If you are one that doesn't need to mod your car then things may be different.

If we had to start again I think we would either do the same thing again (buy new) or try and get a second had TD5 that is already set up. I don't think I could justify buying a 3year old td5 and setting it up as you don't get as much value out of your mods.

As to the suitability... I'm watching their reliability with interest.

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I was amazed by Dm_td5's trip in his puma and the number of dealer visits he had along the way. We've never needed a mechanic or dealer on our trips (touch wood)

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As I've had it explained to me, the puma is common rail direct injection whereas the Td5 is just direct injection. It would appear that the common rail system isn't as tolerant of water. That's a worry that can't easily be fixed. Also, blknight said that some of the bits aren't as well placed as on the td5 for offroading.

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bare in mind though he would have done enough k's for a service possibly two...we had to have ours serviced while we were on our trip

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Originally Posted by dullbird

bare in mind though he would have done enough k's for a service possibly two...we had to have ours serviced while we were on our trip

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What is the service interval? I think it's 25k on the td5 :o You could argue that in those conditions it should be done before then, but 25k is a loong way :)

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

What is the service interval? I think it's 25k on the td5 :o You could argue that in those conditions it should be done before then, but 25k is a loong way :)

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The book says every 20k we do ours ever 10k . I think any vehicle you can stretch the intervals out but you'll pay in the long run.

50,000kms and our is still going strong with nono of the major drama's

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by JohnR

The book says every 20k we do ours ever 10k . I think any vehicle you can stretch the intervals out but you'll pay in the long run.

50,000kms and our is still going strong with nono of the major drama's

Cheers,

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The TD5 has a centrifugal filter which is why it can go further than the puma I think. I change ours every 6 months, or after a trip. Sometimes, the 6 month changes might only have covered 2 tanks of fuel as our car doesn't get much use usually. We did a run to Broome and back in 07 and did 16k. We changed the oil before we left, and when we got home and didn't feel the slightest of a pang of guilt. Using the very best oil, and only 2/3's the service distance in a month... it will live. :)

it is recommended for australian conditions to be done every 12 but if going ofroad in dusty conditions it supposed to be done every 10..from my undestanding though that is not a filter change every time.

it was originally every 20 and thats what it says in the book so you would have no issues doing this as that is what is printed so they have no come back..

but when we first went to the dealer we were told 10...we were shocked and thought this can't be right as we bought the car factoring in 20k services not 10...contact LRA and they confirmed with us in Aus it should really be done every 12