Any have a Pellet Fire?

Typical reply from a typical (I'll burn whatever I want and **** everyone else) wood heater owner.
If JoJO or anyone else who thinks wood heater emissions are harmless
Quote fro jojo:" will not produce any harmful emissions at all", then remove your flue (chimney) and breathe all that loverly wood smoke.
Just like in India where 3 million people die every year from Nose, mouth, throat and lung cancer AS A DIRECT RESULT OF WOODSMOKE FROM COOKING/HEATING FIRES INSIDE THEIR HOMES.
BTW jojo and others where do you get your misinformation from.
Mine comes from the DAR@CSIRO, Australian and American Medical Journals, Australian Lung Foundation, NSW Department of Health, State EPA's, National Pollution Inventory and other pages of CREDIBLE non vested sources.
Tell me all those experts out there what is the current PM emission allowable from a brand new Domestic Wood Heater (DWH), anyone know?
The National Heritage Advisory Council did a snap audit on emissions of of every DWH available through retail outlets, MORE THAN 60% failed and couldn't even meet emissions from 20 year old standards.
So you dreamers out there that think they are doing the environment a favour by burning wood, which absorbs Carbon dioxide, whilst producing Oxygen and then gets burnt and produces more PM air Pollution in one 24 period than a modern car does in it's entire lifetime.
2/3 of Australia's forest (since white settlement are gone) so how is cutting wood and burning it renewable. Most people who have no Idea think that burning wood produces Carbon Dioxide which is reabsorbed by new trees, CORRECT, except the largest and worse Green House Gas is METHANE and new trees do not reabsorb Methane or the myriad of other GHG, only Carbon Dioxide, check it out, Regards Frank.

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Originally Posted by Jojo

Sorry folks, but this is utterly rubbish. Modern wood burners, either for logs or wood chips, are completely different from the ancient ones referred to above. They burn almost as efficient and clean as pellet burners and will not produce any harmful emissions at all, especially if coupled with a filter and burning untreated wood only.
Comparing the old style burners with the most recent ones is about akin to comparing an old fashioned IDI-Diesel engine to a modern common rail type.
Btw, if smoke or emissions are drawn back into the house you are having a problem with your chimney and this should be sorted asap, no matter what fuel you are using.
Cheers

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So does that mean I'm going to die sitting around a campfire at night talking ****? Will that be offset by the preserving actions of the alcohol I'm consuming at the same time? :D

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Originally Posted by Tote

Unfortunately I can only intermittently get coal for my register grates and have to make do with briquettes most years.
In the rest of the fireplaces we burn dead timber depriving the termites of a good feed.

Regards,
Tote

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Then there's the animals, birds, insects that feed on termites. Also the carbon in the wood is not recycled back into the soil which is essential for the growth of vegetation. Instead of releasing the dead woods carbon over a couple of hundred years, you shove it in the fire and release CO2, CO, NOS, Methane, DIOXINS, Furans, Ligneous compounds PAH's, POP's BaP's and a whole host of Toxic and Carcinogenic compounds, like Lead and Mercury, it's so good to see you really care for the environment and you and your neighbours health.
Go to the National Pollution Inventory and see what we are actually breathing, Regards Frank.

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Originally Posted by bacicat

So does that mean I'm going to die sitting around a campfire at night talking ****? Will that be offset by the preserving actions of the alcohol I'm consuming at the same time? :D

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There are many types of alcohol(ic) drinks as there are many types of wood smoke, they will all KILL you if you breathe enough of it, (like booze will).
An open fire, camp/bush fire smoke has different chemical and PM properties to a woodheater which has controls (Air intake, flue control).
If you restrict air to a fire it will burn/smoulder longer, when a wood heater reaches the desired temperature the air controls are used to restrict air to fuel the fire.
These supposedly new wood heaters claim to burn cleaner because the air controls don't allow the air fuel to be restricted and because they burn hotter they have what is falsely known as a secondary burn, which reduces emissions.
BUT when the heater has reached it's desirable temp. and the house becomes too warm the operator closes the (supposedly unclosable) air inlet and the heater cools down, the secondary burner fails to work and the wood smoulders filling your street with smoke that is 20 TIMES more Carcinogenic than the same volume of Cigarette smoke.
How young do you want your kids or the neighbours kids to start smoking.
REMEMBER WHEN YOU CAN'T BREATHE, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS,
BTW the National Health and Advisory Council snap AUDIT of all Wood Heaters sold in Australia showed that the over 60% failure rate was because the AIR Flow Controls had been modified by the manufacturers or importers so woodheater owners could load up their heaters so they would still be smouldering in the morning or when they got home from work, because it was unpleasant to have to light the fire all the time. Retailers biggest selling point is you only need to light up once, right through till warmer months. Australian regs. state the woodheater flue cannot be closed far enough to let the wood smoulder or produce smoke, a woodheater smouldering for up to 18 hours a day will produce more PM air pollution than a new car will produce in it's entire lifetime, Regards Again

Well then... Given the obvious dangers of wood burning, I am amazed that mankind made it past the cave state to being able to enjoy the benefits of clean nuclear power and the like.:p

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Originally Posted by Tank

There are many types of alcohol(ic) drinks as there are many types of wood smoke, they will all KILL you if you breathe enough of it, (like booze will).
An open fire, camp/bush fire smoke has different chemical and PM properties to a woodheater which has controls (Air intake, flue control).
If you restrict air to a fire it will burn/smoulder longer, when a wood heater reaches the desired temperature the air controls are used to restrict air to fuel the fire.
These supposedly new wood heaters claim to burn cleaner because the air controls don't allow the air fuel to be restricted and because they burn hotter they have what is falsely known as a secondary burn, which reduces emissions.
BUT when the heater has reached it's desirable temp. and the house becomes too warm the operator closes the (supposedly unclosable) air inlet and the heater cools down, the secondary burner fails to work and the wood smoulders filling your street with smoke that is 20 TIMES more Carcinogenic than the same volume of Cigarette smoke.
How young do you want your kids or the neighbours kids to start smoking.
REMEMBER WHEN YOU CAN'T BREATHE, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS,
BTW the National Health and Advisory Council snap AUDIT of all Wood Heaters sold in Australia showed that the over 60% failure rate was because the AIR Flow Controls had been modified by the manufacturers or importers so woodheater owners could load up their heaters so they would still be smouldering in the morning or when they got home from work, because it was unpleasant to have to light the fire all the time. Retailers biggest selling point is you only need to light up once, right through till warmer months. Australian regs. state the woodheater flue cannot be closed far enough to let the wood smoulder or produce smoke, a woodheater smouldering for up to 18 hours a day will produce more PM air pollution than a new car will produce in it's entire lifetime, Regards Again

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Straight through to the keeper...

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Originally Posted by Jojo

Well then... Given the obvious dangers of wood burning, I am amazed that mankind made it past the cave state to being able to enjoy the benefits of clean nuclear power and the like.:p

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You are the one that said there were no harmful emissions from a woodheater, Right, well then remove your woodheater flue and we will see, EH!, Regards Frank.
BTW, I'll bet the Japs wish you had been there for their latest clean fuel BBQ, Regards Frank.

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Originally Posted by bacicat

Straight through to the keeper...

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I figured as much, bit slow with the bat? Regards Frank.