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    Worth a look . on Battery Recycling


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    My 1995 Camry (ICE) was returning 7.6l/100km. I have logged 2 1/2 years of travel in it and that is the average over that 2 1/2 years. In that time I travelled 123370 km and spent $11309.67 on fuel. This translates to $229.18 in 2500km.
    The car I am in at the moment is a current model ICE car. It is returning 7l/100km. I have had it a little over a week. In that week I travelled 977km and put $96.66 in the tank. It was full at the start of the week and I filled it at 977km. This translates to $247.34 in 2500km.

    I would like to draw to your attention you are saving nine cents per km on a $400 Camry. How much did that Prius cost you?
    I reckon you will have to travel 400,000km in that Prius to match my car and fuel cost with yours. Oh, how long do the batteries last?

    I'm off to look for another 20yo Camry. They survive roo strikes. Best car on the road today.

    Mick I'm happy for you. For what its worth I'm not a spread sheet type guy, I'm pretty general. The prius cost us 18K second hand in 2017, it was 2016 model with 20K km ex Toyota Australia run around. I admit a 1.5lt motor set for 105 to 110kmh on cruise control is not the best for economy. And I guess the two ruc sacs on the roof rack resembling a tent, the full boot, and its 4 passengers were also not the best move for economy. The wife tells me she puts $30 in and gets 780klm before she fills again. She's would like to get 800km but doesn't like the idea of driving it to when the fuel light comes on, so she works from the digital low fuel mark.

    I also like that it has stability, traction and abs which perhaps your 20 year old car might have. When the roo hopped out on us just past Stanthorpe at 2 in the morning, it sure woke the family up as I slammed the brakes on then swerved to miss this most beautiful animal. I don't know what all this translate into but its sure more economical and user friendly than the 2003 1.8lt Ford Focus we traded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    Worth a look . on Battery Recycling

    Nice find GB, I don't see the fossil fuel industry recycling filters, seals, gaskets and other consumables from their industry products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeds View Post
    Yep the world is rooted......there ain’t no way modern society will turn it around.

    I do bits and pieces.....war against waste, moving to a more plant based diet etc....but sadly it won’t be enough.
    Na don't believe it, you can start by not voting and demanding a better political system. Germany has strong unions and successful companies competing on a global market. Australia has a 2 party preferred political system endlessly bickering over company profits and workers rights to name just one point. Its no wonder they have trashed manufacturing in Australia.

    Plant trees, it takes roughly 8 trees 8m high to keep you alive in personal air per year. Chuck in your consumption of transport, manufacturing, and energy and it bumps up to around 60 for the average punter. How many big trees have you planted recently of even in ones life. Even ditching exotics and replacing then with indigenous is a very good start, it helps local native biodiversity survive.

    embrace renewable technologies. Our power bill has gone from $550 a quarter to $50, with the pool, aircon, and 3 bedrooms. I'm confident I'll be in front along with the planet in the future.

    consume less or buy second hand, ask do I need this or just want this. Low debt equals big life, and the best thing in life are usually free. Camping, family, friends, sunsets, not hard really.

    Eat less meat, preferably none. However eating less or smaller portions is not only great for your overall health, it cost less, and will help immensely.

    Its all choices, and weather one gives a rip. Humans are here for 80 years roughly, and think mostly about themselves. We are here and now focused and don't think of ourselves as custodians, rather I'm worth it generally. Then we breed and tend to care less because we get busy, and the cycle repeats. We compare to much, and think others think far more of us than the do. We take an consume an awful lot and contribute little to the world that we live on. The planet is resilient, it just needs a chance or due respect.

    Yes its in trouble, big trouble actually, but its a choice.
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    Interesting hypothetical, post by Chris Jones taken from AEVA.

    Numerous studies have shown that in car-dominant countries like Australia, the UK and North America, over 95% of passenger vehicle trips are under 50 km. The driving range of most ICE vehicles is in excess of 350 km per fill, so all of these short daily trips can be done without the need to visit a filling station on the way.


    As a thought exercise, let’s say all ICE vehicles in the world only had a 10 litre fuel tank, effectively limiting their range to about 100 km. However, let’s say there was a means to fully refuel the vehicle at home or at work without ever needing to visit a filling station – even better, the fuel is 1/3 the cost of what you would pay at a filling station. The catch it that it takes 8 hours to fill the tank because the flow of liquid fuel was limited to about 1 litre per hour. Considering the reduced cost of fuel and the convenience of unattended filling, most people will elect to fill up at home. Under these circumstances, the number of filling stations could be dropped from an estimated 100 million worldwide to just 5 million, or one for every 200 vehicles. These 5 million stations exist primarily to serve the needs of long distance travellers.


    The above hypothetical highlights the significance of electric vehicles (EVs) and how they are set to disrupt the global transport energy market. Better grab that Chicko Roll while you're there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    Interesting hypothetical, post by Chris Jones taken from AEVA.

    Numerous studies have shown that in car-dominant countries like Australia, the UK and North America, over 95% of passenger vehicle trips are under 50 km. The driving range of most ICE vehicles is in excess of 350 km per fill, so all of these short daily trips can be done without the need to visit a filling station on the way.


    As a thought exercise, let’s say all ICE vehicles in the world only had a 10 litre fuel tank, effectively limiting their range to about 100 km. However, let’s say there was a means to fully refuel the vehicle at home or at work without ever needing to visit a filling station – even better, the fuel is 1/3 the cost of what you would pay at a filling station. The catch it that it takes 8 hours to fill the tank because the flow of liquid fuel was limited to about 1 litre per hour. Considering the reduced cost of fuel and the convenience of unattended filling, most people will elect to fill up at home. Under these circumstances, the number of filling stations could be dropped from an estimated 100 million worldwide to just 5 million, or one for every 200 vehicles. These 5 million stations exist primarily to serve the needs of long distance travellers.


    The above hypothetical highlights the significance of electric vehicles (EVs) and how they are set to disrupt the global transport energy market. Better grab that Chicko Roll while you're there!
    Let me play devils advocate for a moment - you know I'm pro EV but to counter the above argument - While I'm sure no one would say no to the hypothetical of having an ICE vehicle with small tank if they could fill up at home each night for a fraction of the cost of a servo, the bit about the stations existing for long distance travelers doesn't translate if you flip it back to EV in my opinion. If an EV could be filled back to capacity in a couple of minutes - the equivalent of the time taken to fill an ICE vehicle, then it would be a no brainer, but I think people are put off by long charge times. Yes, most of their trips will be short commutes, but if they can't go on a long weekend drive, then it defeats the purpose of buying one. This is the issue I face with SWMBO - I have discussed getting an EV for her as most of her trips are short (daily commute is 70KM return) but she has friends and family over 300KM away she visits some weekends, which is where EV falls down. I think an EV would get her one way maybe, but then if you need to find an outlet at your friends place - who will only have a 10 amp outlet, use a heap of their power and take a day to charge it due to limited current draw. This just doesn't compute to the average joe, we have been too well trained and brainwashed in the convenience of petrol unfortunately.

    Another example is me at work - while all the OEM's talk about drop dead dates for removing ICE vehicles from their line ups, what I am going to drive for work? I average 1000KM a week, some days travelling 500KM or more in a day - and still having to fit in site visits, etc and do my job - not sure what I'll do when ICE vehicles are gone, it would make doing my job pretty much impossible.

    I think this is why Hydrogen makes more sense in the long run, but that's another story.

    Solve that issue and I'm sure the majority would get on board.
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    Not an issue really , by the time new EV's are mandated , Fast charge will be the norm .

    Don't know about you but I try to force myself into having a rest stop every few hours on long trips, But it rarely happens , I keep going & then when I stop to fill up I usually have a meal / coffee etc & take 45min. Plenty of time to fast charge an EV with current tech.

    Hydrogen is cool but cant see it happening, oh wait , in Australia yes with the dickheads that run our country , it could happen.

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    Hydrogen and FCVs.
    It's in California and is coming to Australia.
    It is the future.

    First Came the Hydrogen Cars. Now, the Refilling Stations. - The New York Times

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    But what is 'fast charge'? 5 minutes? 1/2 hour? An hour?

    Oh and I stop every 4 hours or so for 5 minutes mostly - maybe sometimes. Wouldn't be uncommon to leave home at 4am and roll into Adelaide 8 hours later - only stopping because I'm low on fuel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    But what is 'fast charge'? 5 minutes? 1/2 hour? An hour?

    Oh and I stop every 4 hours or so for 5 minutes mostly - maybe sometimes. Wouldn't be uncommon to leave home at 4am and roll into Adelaide 8 hours later - only stopping because I'm low on fuel.
    The Current Tritium Fast charge is 150km worth of charge in 5 min ,... Australian Tech rolling out in Germany
    Ultra fast charge coming soon . Imagine it will be as fast as filling up with petrol in a year or two , or faster (instant) with SuperCapacitors that then bleed into the storage pack.

    Tritium lands massive EU-wide deal for EV fast-chargers | RenewEconomy

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