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    "December 7 - This summer, Alstom announced the creation of the first fully hydrogen-fueled passenger train route in Bremervorde, Lower Saxony, Germany with 14, two-car Coradia iLint vehicles equipped with fuel cell propulsion. They will replace 15 diesel-powered trains currently running on the line.The trains, which have a hydrogen tank with a range of 1,000 kilometers and a maximum speed of 140 km/h, will be fueled daily at a Linde hydrogen filling station."

    Waiting for Austral shipping to start a quiet ship race. I know for a fact ships make a lot of noise. It was very easy to hear a ship well before anyone could see it. Noise travels very well in water.

    Looking at new billion$ US bombers and stealth concept is NOT exclusive to planes. The Ukrainian drone boats used very effectively recently had me thinking of DRO air detection. It is not at all difficult to hear ships, boats or most submarines with SONAR. Towed passive sonar, Sonar boys dropped from planes/helicopters or fix bottom or floating detection units.

    Noise makes it easy at sea if you have the right equipment or even have your head underwater like I like to do. It is very clear from my quirky EV car the massive noise reduction has me carefully moving past pedestrians who often do not hear it. Jump in my tow tug/4wd and that's not an issue. Its noisy

    A silent or near silent ship, boat or sea drone would be very possible FCEV has much better capacity than a few tonnes of batteries

    Always thought the Rotto express should be the first FCEV trip I would like try of course

    Have a great weekend all

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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyDiver View Post
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    Always thought the Rotto express should be the first FCEV trip I would like try of course ........
    Didn't know you played sokka.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 350RRC View Post
    Didn't know you played sokka.

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    My entire crew of 15/16 year olds had a camp on rotto isl for that Not supporting hurting the cute little 'rats'

    Biggest cray fish I have ever seen also came ashore with me from that lovely place years later. I was told after we all ate it, that it was probably 80 years old! I now leave any over 5kg

    Back on H2. "BARCELONA/LISBON, Dec 9 (Reuters) - An underwater pipeline to carry green hydrogen between Barcelona and Marseille will cost around 2 billion euros ($2.1 billion), according to preliminary estimates of the project agreed between Spain, Portugal and France, two sources told Reuters."

    Of interest is while it is to France it is not for France which plans to use spare Nuclear power to H2!

    " the leaders of the three countries will meet in the Spanish city of Alicante together with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen to discuss a construction timeline and financing for a new hydrogen pipeline."

    Might be a by hyped up? "The project's timeline remains uncertain. Without technical, environmental or regulatory challenges, it could be completed between four and five years, said the first source with knowledge of the matter.
    But the second, industrial source said French officials consider readiness by 2030 optimistic.

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    H2 is not hot air yet a lot of HOT air about

    PS Cray fish, abalone and three other water water bits on this weeks to do list- Minor operation Hernia booked for next Saturday. May be going past your way. Spares "if any" drop on the to do list as well if you like seafood If any of course is weather dependent! Wind forecast is not great

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    you might find this interesting.

    An article today stated "The heavy metal club that would hurt China and Australia The US and European Union are contemplating a policy that combines trade and emissions reduction measures that could have a significant impact on China’s dominance of the global steel and aluminium markets and Australia’s role as a major supplier of the raw material for China’s steel and aluminium industries.

    The proposal, put by the US to the European Union last week, would create an international consortium of like-minded members to pursue trade in metals produced with less carbon intensity, using tariffs to penalise metals produced with higher carbon intensity."

    "The EU already has had its own somewhat broader approach to carbon-intensive trade, with its controversial “Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism” plan due to start operating from the start of next year. Under that plan the EU would impose a levy/tariff/tax on imports of carbon-intensive products like steel and fertilisers.

    The mechanism has been designed to avoid putting EU companies at a competitive disadvantage to competitors that, unlike those in the EU, don’t pay a price for their emissions."
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    We know the options to make C02 free or C02 neutral steel. It requires Hydrogen and lots of it!

    The Negative view is "As a major exporter of the raw ingredients for steelmaking and aluminium production – iron ore, coal, bauxite and alumina – Australia, for instance, could be materially impacted if China’s steel and aluminium industries were to shrink."

    Who has lots of "raw ingredients for steelmaking and aluminium production"?
    Who is likley to have lots of clean energy options?
    Who has one of the best scalable Hydrogen


    Add our side gig "Graphite electrodes are an essential component in the production of steel. "

    Australia is in a box seat to make tariff free low /no C02 steel. The Green moniker is a bit abused I think. No C02 and no pollution is key. That includes land use foot print!

    How much hydrogen is used is clear already via "The joint venture between Swedish steelmaker SSAB, energy company Vattenfall, and iron ore miner LKAB. A technology dubbed HYBRIT—a contraction of Hydrogen Breakthrough Ironmaking Technology—replaces fossil fuels both in the production of the iron pellets that are the key ingredient of steel, and in the removal of oxygen from the iron by replacing carbon and coke with green hydrogen. SSAB then uses that iron to produce steel slabs for delivery."
    2026 is date for them!
    Forbes clean steel
    The HYBRIT hydrogen storage is a big cave! "pilot facility’s size is 100 cubic metres, and at a later stage it may be necessary to keep 100,000 to 120,000 cubic metres of pressurised hydrogen gas in a full scale storage. This means that we can store up to 100 GWh of electricity in the form of hydrogen gas, which is enough to supply a full-size sponge iron factory for about three to four days."

    This article has a "The IEA forecasts that steel production globally will grow by a third through to 2050"

    It is very clear lots of steel will be required, Who makes it and how effectively its transition from C02 intensive to C02 free will see dramatic shifts in world economies. It is a steel revolution which is clearly in all our faces right now.

    The US/EU tax/tariffs/carbon equalization plans are just one huge incentive. I wonder if our government is bright enough to take the massive clear opportunity to value add in our own economy?

    While on the topic of green washing I also read again the usual green washing about inconsistent wind and solar power savoir being batteries. (I like battery for what they can do) A Grid scale lithium/graphite battery for the current EU issues might be bigger than France- Promises with out any possibility of being achieved are the worst Green washing. News papers... publishing impossible dreams are dangerous.

    Even HYBRIT is a bit odd. Its pilot storage of 100 M3 - PV1 26,000 M3 H2 Neo carrier is scaling up to 120,000m3 H2max! HYBRIT could store a rather HUGE % more clearly than it pilot cavern storage with just one Ship from us!

    Scale is everything! Using it is the key. Giving it to others to use and exploit has been an Australian error for a long time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChookD2 View Post
    If the process is genuinely scalable as they suggest, then there may be hope for the world yet. I would suggest a water powered vehicle in the outback would not be a viable option.
    I’d reckon it would be better than an electric vehicle in the outback…🤣
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellonwheels View Post
    I’d reckon it would be better than an electric vehicle in the outback…🤣
    Far more solar energy available than water. Not sure on charging times though.

    Although atm there are some places with plenty of water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChookD2 View Post
    Far more solar energy available than water. Not sure on charging times though.

    Although atm there are some places with plenty of water.
    Mate, spend some time in the desert as I have. It’s often very overcast and extremely cold. Neither are conducive to solar batteries. A hundred litre tank of water and a capture of your exhaust on a hydrogen powered internal combustion engine, would give me a lot more confidence…should fossil fuels become unobtainable. I’m not sure you will ever see a recharging station at Rabbit Flats!
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    Jeez, no need to get wrapped around the axles about it. Just making conversation, offering an opinion, and like 99% here, I'm no expert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellonwheels View Post
    I’d reckon it would be better than an electric vehicle in the outback…🤣
    At lunch with a very cool sparky today. A 5kWh solar mat he is adding to a proposal for very remote emergency power for remote hand carry in was interesting in places with out roads was interesting. 720 electrical, Victron and .....?

    Battery tech needs a lot of improvement in my book. some is happening here and japan which is nifty perhaps
    Solid state battery breakthrough could slash EV costs and recharging time

    All options are worth considering. The winner will be the one that suits you I am more than keen on Hydrogen yet happy to consider the options.

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