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    I read there is a project to produce green hydrogen in Qld, I think in an industrial estate in Townsville, using renewable solar/wind energy, so it can be sold into markets which impose carbon taxes on products produced with fossil fuels.
    I don't have the details handy, but from memory Origin may be involved.
    Qld has a Minister for Hydrogen to lead hydrogen projects.

    This report for investors predicts a big future for our hydrogen.

    Devastating: Report warns of massive impact on jobs for mining and gas - InQueensland

    Have you noticed Toyota's hydrogen fuel ads during the Tokyo Olympics?

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    I knew they used hydrogen in rockets. I did not know they can do it with just the Hydrogen Oxygen mix. Very cool

    Jeff Bezos and crew have successfully completed “New Shepard’s” first human flight on 20 July, using liquid hydrogen and oxygen to blast into space.
    By utilising liquid hydrogen, the space vessel uniquely produced close to zero carbon emissions instead leaving only a trail of water vapour in its wake.

    "This could be considered the next step for hydrogen innovating space flight, low emission rocketry could be groundbreaking and clearly the industry is looking to hydrogen to provide the next step in rocket propulsion.
    Hydrogen is also being utilised in the Neptune One spaceballoon to gently lift the spacecraft to the stars with the first commercial flights slated for 2024 already sold out."



    Read more here: http://ow.ly/FhY850FDlqV


    Now that was to big not to chase down The Netune One is a bit of wow "Neptune One, A Hydrogen Balloon, Will Take You to Outer Space for $125,000"" a bit cheaper than the bomb - sorry Rocket used by two billionaires


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    Can’t post the link but check out Cadogans latest video - It’s about Hyundai’s new Hydrogen fuel cell truck they’ve just released onto roads in California. Truck is in production and 46 or something are already build with a thousand more coming.

    His opening line is ‘Hyundai have just jammed one into Electric Jesus - and I don’t think it was consentual’
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    Watching the amazing pace of the runners this morning chaperoned by a Hydrogen car or three. Car are not my look today.

    OVERVIEW OF THE FRENCH HYDROGEN MARKET

    objectives are 1 to 10 MW by 31 December 2023 and 10 to 100 MW by 31 December 2028 French State will invest €7bn by 2030, with €2bn to be directly invested as part of the government recovery plan to address the economic impact of the Covid-19 pandemic. Three priorities have been set for this investment: (i) decarbonising industry (with a carbon neutral objective for 2050), (ii) developing hydrogen mobility and (iii) supporting and developing France’s research capacity.

    Spains hydrogen road map Oct 2020

    " allocate €1.5bn to boost the use and production of renewable hydrogen by 2023"

    The poms are a bit slow "UK Government’s long-awaited Energy White Paper, which was finally published in December 2020⁴. The Scottish Government published its Hydrogen Policy Statement⁵ on 21 December 2020. Both the White Paper and the Hydrogen Policy Statement confirm that a UK hydrogen strategy is coming in 2021, but we have not seen it yet." They are in some trains and also " United Kingdom (UK) on hydrogen projects, from the sublime (the HySpirits gin distillery in Orkney¹) to the ridiculously ambitious (ZeroAvia’s hydrogen fuelled plane²) and everything in between. The hype and excitement are mounting across industries and sectors."

    June 2020, Germany "German government foresees a hydrogen demand of about 90 to 110 TWh by 2030. In order to accommodate this demand, electrolysers with a total capacity of up to 5 GW are to be built in Germany by 2030 (including the offshore and onshore energy production required for providing electricity for the electrolysis). This corresponds to a green hydrogen production of up to 14 TWh and a required renewable electricity quantity of up to 20 TWh. For the period up to 2035, a further 5 GW will be added if possible, by 2040 at the latest." Germany providing public funding amounting to €7bn

    Nov 2020 Linee Guida per la Strategia nazionale sull’idrogen
    Italians of course No dollars mentioned

    Greece is fascinating as it has "The phasing out of lignite-fired power stations is one of the top priorities of the NECP, which sets a target of zero lignite-powered electricity generation by 2028. In line with these objectives, a Master Plan for Fair Development Transition was issued in December 2020, outlining the government’s commitments for the post-lignite era and also calling for investments involving renewable hydrogen⁴."

    Lignite is a word Victorians should know as it is soft dirty brown coal.

    all of the above was from Watson Farley & Williams - Energy, Real Estate and Transport Law Firm but all checked to the countries own reports as well. WFW is an international law firm not to be confused with a Wild life group


    My quick adding showed hundreds of billions in the documents. Some spend in the next two years. The rate of change will be fun to watch.

    Mean while Chinas plans in the sector are substantially bigger I see. "China is on track to become a powerhouse for the production of green hydrogen, one of the most promising alternative fuels for shipping, according to recent reports from BloombergNEF and Fitch. As the world's largest shipbuilder, largest exporter, largest port operator and third-largest shipowner, China's fuel policy choices will have a significant impact on the composition of the world fleet.
    Hydrogen power is prominently included in the Chinese Communist Party's 14th Five-Year Plan"

    That is enough to distract me from Mr Eilud Kipchoge's run at 8am (likely to start an hour early again as its HOT and Humid. Mr Kipchoge will have a Mirai with him the whole two hours he is running 42.2km

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    Funny you post that as I'm just sitting here watching the same hydrogen car and the marathon.
    Can see two Aussies right now near the front at the halfway mark.

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    Yestday Linde today China
    "Linde will invest more than $1bn in decarbonisation initiatives and triple the amount of clean hydrogen production by 2028, the industrial gas giant has set out in its 2020 Sustainable Development Report."

    Not to be out done China Sinopec added 4.6 billion

    Sinopec plans to spend $4.6 bn on hydrogen energy by 2025 (China Petroleum & Chemical Corporation, or Sinopec, is a Chinese oil and gas enterprise based in Beijing. It is listed in Hong Kong and also trades in Shanghai and New York)
    
    "Asia's biggest oil refiner said on Monday it plans to become China's largest company to produce hydrogen for use as a transportation fuel, targeting annual capacity of 200,000 tonnes of hydrogen refuelling by 2025."Sinopec will expand forcefully into making hydrogen from renewable energy, and zero in on hydrogen for transportation fuel and using green hydrogen for refining," acting Chairman Ma Yongsheng said."
    
    Sound rather BIG to me yet in terms of meeting China's needs I suspect its is just a drop in the ocean. with the plan "The company aims to produce more than 1 million tonnes of so-called green hydrogen from renewable energy sources between 2021 and 2025"
    
    Current Demand for pure hydrogen is around 70 Mt per year, mostly for oil refining and chemical production.
    That is from Hydrogen – Analysis - IEA


    Scale is everything in this race. Hazer is really the only one with capacity to scale up to meed current demand.

    Just to really rock the boat a Melbourne based ??? Warrego Zero Emissions Beyond the Road - H2x Global

    Put in an expression of interest. Buggers have a release date in QLD. Not sure if you northerners will let me come up Hydrogen player H2X Global has big plans to launch its Australian produced hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle (FCEV) in November.

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    Needed a distraction from counting Vaccines - Counting $$$$ in Hydrogen

    Aussie time

    Government sinks another $150 million into hydrogen industry



    By Shane Wright

    September 19, 2021 — 10.30pm


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    An extra $150 million will be sunk by the federal government into hydrogen industrial hubs that all but guarantees a project in every state and territory across the country.
    As the government boosts its environmental credentials ahead of an increasingly tough United Nations climate conference in Glasgow in November, Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Energy Minister Angus Taylor on Monday will announce the additional cash into hydrogen related industries.



    Hyundai’s Nexo is the first hydrogen-fuelled vehicle to be certified by the Australian government for use on the road. The federal government is sinking more money into the developing hydrogen industry.
    Hydrogen has emerged as a key element of the federal government’s emissions reduction strategy with a stated aim of producing hydrogen at $2 a kilogram. At that price, it is expected hydrogen is competitive with alternative energy sources.
    The government has already committed more than $300 million towards four hydrogen hubs that will bring together producers, users and exporters in one location to reduce cost.



    The most likely hubs were identified to come from Bell Bay in Tasmania, Darwin, South Australia’s Eyre Peninsula, the Hunter Valley in NSW, Victoria’s La Trobe Valley and the Pilbara region of Western Australia.
    These locations have expressed interest in the concept, building on existing infrastructure and resources available in each region.
    The extra $150 million will enable the development of two more hubs.
    Mr Taylor said the hubs were crucial to the government’s hopes to turn Australia into a major hydrogen production and export country by 2030.
    “We are looking to partner with industry, and work with state and territory governments to make
    this a reality,” he said.






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    “Australia has the potential to be a world leader in the production of affordable and clean hydrogen, and our hydrogen industry could create around 8000 new Australian jobs and generate over $11 billion a year in GDP by 2050.”
    Australia has pledged to reduce its greenhouse gas contribution by at least 26 per cent by 2030, based on 2005 emissions, but has not set a deadline to hit net zero. Most other developed nations have committed to roughly half their emissions by 2030 and to reach net zero by 2050 or earlier.
    The government is offering grants of between $500,000 and $3 million towards hydrogen development and design grants. Grants of between $30 million and $70 million will be offered to establish the hubs.
    The extra cash for hydrogen was announced after the government launched a campaign to explain its efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.



    The Australia’s Making Positive Energy campaign includes general media advertising.
    Greenhouse gas emissions fell 5 per cent through the first year of the coronavirus pandemic, figures released by the government last month showed, with deep drops in electricity.
    Critics argued the fall was due to one-off factors associated with the pandemic, including the shutdown of many industries and work-from-home orders, warning emissions were likely to rebound as the economy recovered.


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    129,300,312.80 $AUD

    150 mill AUS yesterday is old news?- we can match that with Germany with a 80 million Euro which is 129,300,312.80 $AUD This 80mill euro is on the use side via Fuel Cell scale up so a WIN WIN WIN for all I think


    System production: scaling up volume and size

    this is on Fuel Cell side reported in this link and other places

    The SCALE up in that area is a race plus. Hyzon has announced trucks to a QLD Zinc mine " Hyzon Motors to supply 154-ton fuel cell-powered hydrogen trucks to Australian subsidiary of Korea Zinc, world's largest zinc producer

    - After an initial agreement in July, Hyzon has received a definitive order for five trucks from Ark Energy

    - Hyzon is the only supplier of ultra-heavy-duty hydrogen trucks with in-house fuel cell technologies

    ..Ark Energy will lease the trucks to its sister company, Townsville Logistics, which will deploy them in triple (three-trailer) road train configurations as part of their short-haul fleet operating on a 30-kilometer loop from the Port of Townsville to the Sun Metals zinc refinery owned by the group. The fuel cell trucks, replacing their diesel equivalents, are expected to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by over 1,400 tons per year.
    Hyzon expects to assemble the vehicles in Australia, aligning with the company's plans to boost local Australian production of fuel cell vehicles. Hyzon expects that the vehicles will be fueled at Ark Energy's SunHQ hydrogen hub in Townsville, with green hydrogen produced from an electrolyzer powered by a co-located solar farm.
    The project is expected to be the first in the world to use Hyzon's ultra-heavy-duty fuel cell vehicles.





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    The time frame in that link suggest Delivery 2022. Assembly here in OZ is a happy event in my thoughts. The CEO is an Aussie

    Another Aussie is heavily involved and her links and papers are here

    I wonder where the assembly line is? Bet the state governments are all fighting for that





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    Bluescope says NO way for Green steel .

    Claim: Green Steel “Decades Off”, Requires “Affordable Renewables” – Watts Up With That?

    They should know.
    Regards PhilipA

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipA View Post
    Bluescope says NO way for Green steel .

    Claim: Green Steel “Decades Off”, Requires “Affordable Renewables” – Watts Up With That?

    They should know.
    Regards PhilipA
    The pilot size green steel place is heavily subsidized. Pretty sure it was flagged in prior post Phillip. No way yet is how it seem I think rather than 'no way'

    "Australia currently leads the pack for proposed green hydrogen electrolyser capacity, with a total of 69 gigawatts of planned projects in the pipeline, pushing Western Europe into a distant second place, with 41GW of proposed projects in the pipeline.
    Research by Rystad Energy showed Australia leading the pack, despite the consultancy finding that government spending to support green hydrogen production only totals about US$290 million there, and Canberra has yet to set any green hydrogen capacity targets." Edit. The Link

    Just looking at a company I had then sold. It is now suggesting it has via a partnership with Hydrogen Production — Synergen Met
    who has 12 years claimed developing a containerized plasma technology methane pyrolysis unit, PFAS destruction and on-site cyanide plant.

    Synergen Met Pty Ltd Dr Geoff Duckworth (B.Eng. (Chem)), B.Eng.Sci., PhD) has several papers I am having a look at now.

    The onsite cyanide for mining industry is a bottler of a technology "Modular On-site Cyanide Production Unit by Synergen Met Pty Ltd and University of Queensland." The containerized plasma technology methane pyrolysis unit may be of huge interest to remote mining business if they have access to methane. Its real world small scale really so may not have applications at Steels level supply/demand



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