EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Not sure where you got the advice "Ev’s Need a huge amount of power to recharge." There is a small loss in converting to Dc and charging but the total battery capacity of any EV less any residual voltage as no one is going to be zero deliberately, is very close to the power needed to charge. Maths and clear economic cost saving comparing diesel for my D3 compared to the power and cost of that power to run it as a EV. Not suggesting I should not pay for power I use. I know for a fact I paid for the solar panels I have so there is a cost even for the sunshine I use[thumbsupbig]

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yes, my Landy has 28kwh of battery , over the last 12 months it has averaged 32kwh per 100km . That is taken from a Kwh meter I installed on the shed sub board, so includes all losses in the charger and cabling ( heat ) , so is a true figure. The power meter on the car suggest consumption is 30kwh per 100km . My BMS is set to stop the car at 80% Depth of Discharge, going past that is pointless as charge / discharge is a bell curve you might get 10 more km from the remaining 20% but at risk of shortening the battery life by more than 50%. The other end of the curve I never fully charge my battery either. Realistically I get 75-80km from 28kwh before recharging. If I drove carefully in ECO mode I could easily double that range but why when I charge for free. from solar. (yes I paid for the panels )

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Originally Posted by scarry

Tombie is spot on,your situation would be similar to a very small minority of people.

Yours has done around 10 000 km in how long?

Many do upwards of 30 000km annually,with company vehicles doing double that.

Don’t get me wrong,EV’s are great,but in their current form don’t suit many.

And just imagine the upgrades for a 30 room motel,that would equate to 30 10 KW AC units running flat out for 6 or more hours each.Thats about 350 amps added to the normal everyday load.Then there is the huge but short load of fast chargers,drawing around 50 Amps each.

A huge amount of power.

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10,000 km since Jan 10 2017 . if my math is right about 600 days , = 17km a day.
used 3300kwh @ $0.25 (if you pay for power) = $825

The ABS state the average daily commute is 28km (city) and 38km (rural) Apparently I'm below average.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

I have seen some creative excuses for visiting a winery, but that one would have to be the most imaginative one yet.

"I only went to the winery to see if their charging point worked." :) :D

That ranks up there with the elderly couple who claimed they only drank as much wine as they did because they were collecting the corks for craft activities at their grandchild's preschool. (Of course that excuse no longer works with screw top wine bottles. )

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It cost me $30 for a bottle of wine, I felt guilty plugging in and not spending money.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

I drove 958km today, one stop of ten minutes. Care to nominate a suitable EV? (to compare to my current ride, need adequate ground clearance to get into my home, seat nine, tow at least 2500kg, cost less than $25,000)

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give it a few years . 5000km tech is here already just need to come down in price , and it will .

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Originally Posted by goingbush

Certainly is my Daily Driver, rain hail or shine, Summer and Winter, its too convenient to use and too much fun not to drive the only days it does not get driven are when were away on long trips in the Iveco towing the Van, I'll convert that to EV when 1000km batteries are cheap. We do have another car , My wifes Renault Captur , I last put petrol in it 6 months ago and its still full.

Longest regular round trip I do is 55km once a week but usually I average about 25 km a day.

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See, that’s perfect for your needs.

My work driving each day is between 300km and 600km.
The vehicle is booked in for a service every 4 weeks.
We have 50+ vehicles doing this each week.

My shortest drive when not at work is perfect for your vehicle spec. Most drives will be minimum 160km. Regular runs of 850km in a day aren’t out of the norm.

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Originally Posted by goingbush

It cost me $30 for a bottle of wine, I felt guilty plugging in and not spending money.

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That, of course, is why they have it!

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

I drove 958km today, one stop of ten minutes. Care to nominate a suitable EV? (to compare to my current ride, need adequate ground clearance to get into my home, seat nine, tow at least 2500kg, cost less than $25,000)

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Hyundai Kona EV. Range of about 450 kilometres. One hour to recharge to about 80%. You could do it with a two hour break for lunch and shopping while it recharges. Eight year battery warranty. Five year unlimited kilometre vehicle warranty. Petrol Konas can tow 1300kg, but Hyundai does not recommend towing with the EV version.

Kona Electric | SUVs | Hyundai Australia

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Not sure where you got the advice "Ev’s Need a huge amount of power to recharge." There is a small loss in converting to Dc and charging but the total battery capacity of any EV less any residual voltage as no one is going to be zero deliberately, is very close to the power needed to charge. Maths and clear economic cost saving comparing diesel for my D3 compared to the power and cost of that power to run it as a EV. Not suggesting I should not pay for power I use. I know for a fact I paid for the solar panels I have so there is a cost even for the sunshine I use[thumbsupbig]

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Simple - Rapid chargers - 50a
Now plug 50 of them in at a tourist park....

Remember the dream of everyone charging via solar is improbable - most people are driving them during the day.
And very few employers are going to happily let people plug in during work.

The maths may be ok for cost, but once distance is added I incur additional cost - I will need overnight accommodation, will lose days at work, will need to purchase the premium EV with the furthest range.
As it is a splash of diesel and off I go and more importantly home I get - no other delays or incurred expenses.

It’s not there yet - by a long shot.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Hyundai Kona EV. Range of about 450 kilometres. One hour to recharge to about 80%. You could do it with a two hour break for lunch and shopping while it recharges. Eight year battery warranty. Five year unlimited kilometre vehicle warranty. Petrol Konas can tow 1300kg, but Hyundai does not recommend towing with the EV version.

Kona Electric | SUVs | Hyundai Australia

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Real world that’s not true. AC on kills it...

And who has a 2 hour pit stop for lunch? Which is now dictated in location by a power point.

That range - if we drove it to empty would have us still shy of our most common destination so 3 charges for us on a cool day with minimal AC.

That Kona is also a $50k version of a $25k vehicle.
The $25k vehicle can drive over 225,000km for the price difference.

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Originally Posted by goingbush

give it a few years . 5000km tech is here already just need to come down in price , and it will .

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Which tech is that? What’s the weight and energy density?
What base elements are in this one?