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    Quote Originally Posted by Samblers View Post
    I'm interested in the practical implications of this discussion at this moment... are any of you currently considering a large car/ 4wd/ tourer purchase, and hesitating regarding an order/ fuel type?

    It seems that we're at an uncertain juncture - tantalising progress for smaller EV's, thought still some way away from being offered viable options in the larger car category - particularly which suit Australian touring/ 4wd. Also at a time when a significant ($100K +) petrol/diesel purchase now (and not arriving for 18months) seems a bit of a gamble?

    I'm sitting on the fence, with an ageing 110. Should've traded up a few year ago in hindsight, but considering either New Defender or Ineos Grenadier. Not a squeak from either LR or Ineos regarding future models - though I guess this is somewhat understandable, since any reveal will likely collapse their current order book...

    New to this discussion, lots to catch up on

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    LR are in on it Sam " Land Rover embraces new Reimagine strategy"

    They are smart I think as so much is changing very quickly "JAGUAR LAND ROVER LAUNCHES OPEN INNOVATION STRATEGY TO ACCELERATE ITS MODERN LUXURY VISION | Jaguar Media Newsroom"

    "Our new global strategy will see us Reimagine our future:

    • A sustainability-rich reimagination of modern luxury, unique customer experiences, and positive societal impact
    • Reimagination of Jaguar as an all-electric luxury brand from 2025 to ‘realise its unique potential’
    • In the next five years, Land Rover will welcome six pure electric variants as it continues to be the world leader of luxury SUVs
    • All Jaguar and Land Rover nameplates to be available in pure electric form by end of the decade; first all-electric Land Rover model in 2024
    • Our aim is to achieve net zero carbon emissions across our supply chain, products and operations by 2039
    • Collaborations and knowledge-sharing with industry leaders, in particular from within the wider Tata Group will allow the company to explore potential synergies on clean energy, connected services, data and software development leadership

    "


    2035 Canberra is ten years behind Landrover??? Holding on to my Disco until then. That said I noticed the low full light is about to come on. I have not filled the tank since March - I am scared Recycling run, hunting and fishing trip overdue

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    That's interesting NavyDiver - these sound like noble aims (and timescales) so it'll be great when we get to see actual propositions.

    Still unclear wether these sorts of grand promises are having any current effect on people's mindsets regarding vehicle orders. I was surprised yesterday talking to a friend that he thought IC engines would still remain in sale/demand/use "throughout our lifetimes" (we are both in our 40's), whereas i'd been thinking that sentiment would be radically shifted within, say, 3-5 years... and potentially leaving recent purchasers of IC vehicles with expensively obsolete technology.

    Perhaps the changeover wont be so sudden. In the forums I read, the (supposed) near-future arrival of alternative models hardly features in the discussions about which model people are considering buying. Clearly some people's minds are more settled than mine!

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    Hmmm just got sent this video - a New Mercedes EV TV Commercial.

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    Interesting question, not directly to do with EVs, but related.

    If we see EVs take over on the roads, this has serious implications about the availability of fuel for other uses. Some of these uses include internal combustion engines that are expected to have a lifetime running into decades, but for which it is difficult to see an electric equivalent.

    Some examples :- Emergency and backup generators. Firefighting pumps at rural houses and on rural properties. Water transfer pumps that are only required occasionally but are away from infrastructure. Portable grain augers. Cement mixers for use away from infrastructure. General purpose tractors on most farms that are decades old, but only do a few tens of hours a year.

    Then there are machinery that is required to operate long hours away from infrastructure:- Fire engines for rural firefighting. Agricultural machinery that is required to operate 24hrs a day but only for a few weeks per year, for harvest, ploughing, etc. Earthmoving machinery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Interesting question, not directly to do with EVs, but related.

    If we see EVs take over on the roads, this has serious implications about the availability of fuel for other uses. Some of these uses include internal combustion engines that are expected to have a lifetime running into decades, but for which it is difficult to see an electric equivalent.

    Some examples :- Emergency and backup generators. Firefighting pumps at rural houses and on rural properties. Water transfer pumps that are only required occasionally but are away from infrastructure. Portable grain augers. Cement mixers for use away from infrastructure. General purpose tractors on most farms that are decades old, but only do a few tens of hours a year.

    Then there are machinery that is required to operate long hours away from infrastructure:- Fire engines for rural firefighting. Agricultural machinery that is required to operate 24hrs a day but only for a few weeks per year, for harvest, ploughing, etc. Earthmoving machinery.
    California has banned the sale of petrol powered garden and landscaping equipment, but you make a good point with generators , can't really have a battery powered generator can you

    I'm sure you will be able to buy petrol and diesel for decades to come, When did they stop making Petrol/kero tractors , late 1930's ??? I remember still being able to buy Power kero from a bowser at a servo into the early 1980's .

    People will still want to drive their vintage cars and so forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 101RRS View Post
    Hmmm just got sent this video - a New Mercedes EV TV Commercial.

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    that sketch is 6 years old here it is on youtube

    9648 AA batteries would be 37kwh . A 50 pack of Duracell AA batteries is $45 , so 9648 of the suckers is going to be $8683.00 you'd probably get a bulk deal for say $6000 , thats very bloody cheap for 37kwh. I paid $11,000 for 28kwh of LiFePo4 bricks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    9648 AA batteries would be 37kwh . A 50 pack of Duracell AA batteries is $45 , so 9648 of the suckers is going to be $8683.00 you'd probably get a bulk deal for say $6000 , thats very bloody cheap for 37kwh. I paid $11,000 for 28kwh of LiFePo4 bricks.
    Yeah but the Duracells can only be recharged about 3 times before the seals give out. That’s about 111kwh of storage. I suspect your bricks can do a bit better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Interesting question, not directly to do with EVs, but related.

    If we see EVs take over on the roads, this has serious implications about the availability of fuel for other uses. Some of these uses include internal combustion engines that are expected to have a lifetime running into decades, but for which it is difficult to see an electric equivalent.

    Some examples :- Emergency and backup generators. Firefighting pumps at rural houses and on rural properties. Water transfer pumps that are only required occasionally but are away from infrastructure. Portable grain augers. Cement mixers for use away from infrastructure. General purpose tractors on most farms that are decades old, but only do a few tens of hours a year.

    Then there are machinery that is required to operate long hours away from infrastructure:- Fire engines for rural firefighting. Agricultural machinery that is required to operate 24hrs a day but only for a few weeks per year, for harvest, ploughing, etc. Earthmoving machinery.
    The worlds first production hydrogen fuel cell generator has just gone on sale - while the tech is probably a good decade ahead of itself and there are other issues related to them which will slowly be overcome, I think this tech will be the way of the future.

    Already hybrid generator systems are becoming very popular - we have quite a few in our fleet now and making more - these are averaging a fuel reduction of 80 to 90% in the applications they are aimed at where 24/7 power is required but the loads are low at times of the day - this allows the gen to only run at near full load where it’s much more efficient for just a few hours to charge up the batteries. With fuel prices as they are at the moment these systems have become cost neutral. Biggest issue now is actually being able to buy any or to buy components to make them - the global supply chain is still well and truly pooched in this regard.

    But yes, petrol and diesel will still be around for decades to come - there’s no overnight solution to these applications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    California has banned the sale of petrol powered garden and landscaping equipment, but you make a good point with generators , can't really have a battery powered generator can you

    I'm sure you will be able to buy petrol and diesel for decades to come, When did they stop making Petrol/kero tractors , late 1930's ??? I remember still being able to buy Power kero from a bowser at a servo into the early 1980's .

    People will still want to drive their vintage cars and so forth.
    1950s I think, maybe 1960s. I remember working in the 1960s diesel trucks were actually quite rare except for the very heaviest - the operations I was involved with in the 1960s used heavy trucks with drilling rigs mounted on them with the truck engine powering the rig - and all used petrol. The only diesel we had was the camp generator. When I got my first diesel Landrover in 1966, finding a service station that sold diesel was a bit like finding an EV charger today.

    Just checked - Chamberlain stopped making petrol/kero tractors in the mid fifties, the Ferguson TE20 ceased production in 1956.
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    A bit more on the Hydrogen generator - it uses basically the same fuel cell Toyota are about to release in their vehicles - development and testing ofthe gen is taking place only a few hundred metres from where I'm sitting now - just down at Toyota in Melbourne. You may need a LinkedIn Account to access it but if I find the info elsewhere I'll post it up as well.

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