EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by Tins

Good lord! Surely not!

Some people have been saying that for about a decade or so.

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The problem is we don't have binding emissions standards in Australia because the previous government.. that's not what they did.

As a result manufacturers have been sending their EV's to where they need to sell them to avoid paying fines. So they are trickling a few EV's in here. Supply and demand and all so why not make the prices really high? And that's what they are doing.

So most people haven't been able to afford a decent EV. The FBT exemption is a big help.

If you want to have a read... There has been some recent talk about binding emissions standards in Australia. The leading manufacturers here don't really have any EV's in they will fight hard against it.

CO₂ emission performance standards for cars and vans

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

The problem is we don't have binding emissions standards in Australia because the previous government.. that's not what they did.

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There was no need for them to do so. There has been no local manufacture for around five years, and there is no prospect of that changing. With the size of the market being minuscule in global terms, if Australia formulated and imposed "binding emission standards" of our own, manufacturers, especially the Europeans and North Americans, simply wouldn't bother to build cars for here. Being RHD, we're lucky that South Africa, China and the UK form a major part of their market or we wouldn't get their cars at all.

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Originally Posted by Tins

Highway Mild Weather 320Km..... so from my place to Sydney requires 2 charging stops. Not my idea of " real world ". My D2 can do that trip with a splash and dash at Marulan. With the AC on, and the headlights ( always I drive mitt lights ).

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Yeah me to, & as it has been proven by various Motoring Organizations to be much safer I don't know why vehicles are not mandatorily wired for lights on at Engine start. Volvos are & I think RAA Service Vehicles are.


Just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

My ev is not one pedal driving. The Tesla largely is. Both have a brake pedal. I have to use mine to stop fully.

A EV electronic guru here has hacked his/hers to provide one pedal and higher braking setting to a MG. Not at all sure what that does to the warranty of course. He/She is confident it is not an issue!

Software hacks to our computer type Landrovers are not uncommon. Flash to ECU chips is a hack.

I suspect issues with hacks via AI will add a layer of complexity to both EV and ICE fairly soon.

Some may be very good. The issue might not be so simple of course. The Mistakes by the "BARD" cost shareholders 100 billion $USD.

Quantum computing anyone [biggrin]

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In this day and age I’d be more worried about the implications should that modified vehicle be in an accident and they find the braking system has been modified without Engineering or OEM approval - would be interesting to see what the courts make of things like this in the future as it will become commonplace and at some point someone will screw the pooch doing so…

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Originally Posted by Tins

There was no need for them to do so. There has been no local manufacture for around five years, and there is no prospect of that changing. With the size of the market being minuscule in global terms, if Australia formulated and imposed "binding emission standards" of our own, manufacturers, especially the Europeans and North Americans, simply wouldn't bother to build cars for here. Being RHD, we're lucky that South Africa, China and the UK form a major part of their market or we wouldn't get their cars at all.

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Well... there didn't seem like there was. But because there were none we were left behind on emissions of ICE and allocation of EV's.

So our current fleet doesn't have the best fuel saving technology so over all we use more fuel.

And because we didn't care about emissions all the EV's have been allocated elsewhere in the world. Manufacturers work in multiples of years. This will take some time to turn around.

It's going to take years to reverse this.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

And because we didn't care about emissions all the EV's have been allocated elsewhere in the world. Manufacturers work in multiples of years. This will take some time to turn around.

It's going to take years to reverse this.

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You can still buy an EV if you want - they aren’t being allocated elsewhere because no one cares about emissions - it’s because no one here (almost no one) wants one or can make it work with their current needs. You seem to want to force the EV tech down peoples throats - this isn’t the way the market will be built, it will be because people want (and can afford) them - until both these items are addressed mass EV uptake will never happen and with Lithium pricing only heading one direction (along with interest rates) the great unwashed won’t be looking to any EV for their next vehicle purchase - that’s just economics 101. I won’t even go back to the issue of charging them all should we all of a sudden get a rush of insanity break out and everyone goes and buys one.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

You can still buy an EV if you want - they aren’t being allocated elsewhere because no one cares about emissions - it’s because no one here (almost no one) wants one or can make it work with their current needs. You seem to want to force the EV tech down peoples throats - this isn’t the way the market will be built, it will be because people want (and can afford) them - until both these items are addressed mass EV uptake will never happen and with Lithium pricing only heading one direction (along with interest rates) the great unwashed won’t be looking to any EV for their next vehicle purchase - that’s just economics 101. I won’t even go back to the issue of charging them all should we all of a sudden get a rush of insanity break out and everyone goes and buys one.

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The industry will need to satisfy the potential purchasers that Lithium Batts are safe as well. Still a huge unknown or it will be a case of

Time 0200 "Darls did you remember to switch the Carport floodlights off?" You did!? Bugger, then it looks like the Toymota has had the dick."

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Nice. They are a neat car. Underrated IMHO. The facelift is a good upgrade too.

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Yes that's what I felt too. Similar price to the Model 3, and also specs but what tipped the final box for us was a dealer or service agent in Darwin - something BYD, Telsa, Polestar and others do not have.

The MG was discounted as it will not fit 2 large suitcases and 4 adults for an airport run which is one criteria we had.

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Originally Posted by Narangga

One that will be delivered in June or July [bigwhistle]



Kia Niro EV S. Like the good Captain (Rightfoot) availing myself of the FBT exemption.

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Also we upgraded rooftop solar and included a house battery last August. We both work so unused generation capacity that can charge an EV a day or two a week (which will mean the D3 gets a regular run).

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Originally Posted by 4bee

Yeah me to, & as it has been proven by various Motoring Organizations to be much safer I don't know why vehicles are not mandatorily wired for lights on at Engine start. Volvos are & I think RAA Service Vehicles are.


Just sayin'.

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As opposed to Daytime Running Lights that most come standard with today?