EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Not arguing- Just a note Our NEW Land Rovers are not exactly on the shopping list for average wage earners [bigwhistle] I did want to buy a new D3 honestly [biggrin]

Tojo or Lexus $10,000 discount on EV caught my eye today "After its first electric SUV arrived in the US earlier this year, Lexus is already offering a steep discount for you to get your hands on one. In some cases, you can earn up to $10,000 in lease cash on the 2023 Lexus RZ."

Lexus is offering up to $10,000 off its first electric SUV

Price war OR getting rid of already redundant technology?

The cynic in me thinks the latter. The skeptic is wondering as well if the solid state announcement last week may do what I suspect solid state will do[bigwhistle]

The mass production has yet to really start in this area. The "GIGA factories" popping up everywhere will do a Ford model T ford like impact I think. perhaps, maybe or not of course[thumbsupbig]

My not favorite twitter owner other company has " 5 Tesla Gigafactories on 3 continents. The original factory is in Fremont, California, constructed before Musk coined the term Gigafactory. There are Tesla Gigafactories in Nevada, New York, Shanghai, Texas, and Berlin, plus one under construction in Mexico"

I brought up Ford as "Ford's innovation lay in his use of mass production to manufacture automobiles. He revolutionized industrial work by perfecting the assembly line, which enabled him to lower the Model T's price from $850 in 1908 to $300 in 1924, making car ownership a real possibility for a large share of the population"

Significant computerization, automation and more at 'scale' offers a much faster time frame than Mr Henry Fords innovations? I may be wrong of course.

I did chat with a Lexus RZ 450e owner on the Hume Highway last year. It was from Albury wodonga first longer drive by a dealer I think
Not for me Overview | Lexus

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My newest Land Rover is 37 years old and the oldest is 48 years old. I have no want or desire to own any Land Rover that's been built in the last 10 plus years.

Come to think of it I can't seem to think of ANY current brand and model of car I'd go and buy new if I had the money to be honest - ICE or EV, they just don't do it for me. Maybe a Grenadier if they pan out ok in the real world - which is still half on my shopping list when I sell a few more Land Rovers (That are all still increasing in Value...)

I don't see how giga factories are going to help when the raw products are not plentiful enough to supply them - this is only causing the price of batteries to go up, not down like lots seem to claim.

I do indeed hold out hope that super capacitors will start to offer something different to Lithium batteries because I just don't see them becoming cheap enough quickly enough if at all.

Interesting about the 10K discount - if they weren't either out of date or sitting around rotting, I'm sure this wouldn't be offered. [bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by Tombie

I'm not riding you for turning cars over, just stating the obvious - if 'we the people' buy less cars, less often and keep the ones going that we have - there will be a Nett Drop in emissions...

What I note is EV owners stating how things are getting better for them - more convenient, more chargers etc.. Whilst missing the fact that you could have purchased an ICE car of higher spec for the price, or a same spec ICE car and had enough money left over to run it for 15 years

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No - no I couldn't. I know this will be a hot topic but with the novated leasing exemption on FBT I certainly couldn't have bought something equivalent for the same money. I don't believe I could have bought another Golf for less.

Now before anyone even thinks of going on a tangent, the Aussie government has been sponsoring the purchasing of Diesel utes for years now.

I needed another car. We are a family with three drivers. We needed another car because no-one wants to drive the defender for little trips around town (and it's bad for it). The only reason three cars and one car is viable is because I ride to most things so hardly use the car myself.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

A couple of decades ago (maybe 3 decades), one of the Toyotas, probably the Celica or maybe the Camry had a drag coefficient of 3.4 and that was considered quite remarkable at the time.

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.34 is nearly twice again .22. It's ** really ** hard to get below .3 if you have a ICE car. The problem is not the top of the car - it's all the mechanicals underneath hanging down in the air.

The Lotus Elite from 1959 was ground breaking at the time. It was said to have a cd of .29. They enclosed basically all the mechanicals up into the fiberglass body. It allowed them to go uncommonly fast with a 1100cc fire pump engine.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

So you still think you’re saving the world by driving an EV huh?

Interesting…

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Aaaah.. no. Show me where I've said that? I've said over and over - if you want to save the world don't drive. If you want to drive anyway, drive what you have. If you need a new car consider an EV.

I needed a replacement car because our family city car needed clutches replacing every 25k at vast cost (go VW). I thought it was a silly idea to buy a new ICE car at the moment given an EV will do everything we need. It's a month and a half old now and it's never needed charging outside of the house.

From an emissions standpoint I do believe that over the life of the car an EV will be substantially better though.

Other advantages.. despite what people in here might think - they are very nice to drive, and are very low in operating costs.

Interesting videos on EV depreciation in the UK. I note how he claims most drivers have them on a 3 year lease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqYI_vLYDk0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfrwsQHjym0

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

If you need a new car consider an EV.

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I can't really see any reason not to,if it suits your needs,and is the sort of money that you want to part with for a vehicle.

The key words are NEW,and SUITS YOUR NEEDS,and WITHIN YOUR BUDGET.This would be taken into consideration during the purchase of any new vehicle i would presume.

Sure it may lose range over time,lose value more than an equivalent ICE vehicle,more difficult to "fill up" when out and about,and on it goes.It may not.

Whether an EV actually helps save the world, who knows?Whether that consideration comes into the buying equation,is up to the individual.

EV's are just another form of transport,nothing else.

Let people buy what they want,and what suits their needs.

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Originally Posted by p38arover

Interesting videos on EV depreciation in the UK. I note how he claims most drivers have them on a 3 year lease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqYI_vLYDk0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfrwsQHjym0

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"IF" VW is not all EV with solid state in a few years some of my money is stuffed[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

Not really a problem as other bits seem safe to me.

Never owned a VW myself. The Bettles and Kombi vans seem a bit hippy for me[bigwhistle] The ones I have been in seem solid and well built. Passat and Golf family have had seemed very well regarded. "

• Almost 70 new electric models by 2028 – instead of the 50 previously planned
• Comprehensive decarbonization program for the Volkswagen Group signed off
• Volkswagen Group targeting fully CO 2 -neutral balance by 2050

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That is their goals. Using my or others' views on that is really irrelevant. I know or understand VW invested hundreds of millions in Solid state batteries and is likely to have them in cars by 2025

Always know what I know can be mistaken of course. My wait and see may be Landrover perhaps[bigwhistle] Not really as car manufactures are almost irrelevant to what is a much bigger change happening already perhaps? Megatrends are opportunities or problems.

So, I'm up home at the moment and went for a walk last night. There's a Tesla charge station here and then about a k away a set of RACV chargers. There was only one EV charging at either facility - and it was a Tesla using the RACV chargers. Can anyone explain why? Are the RACV fast chargers faster than Tesla's own chargers?

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

"IF" VW is not all EV with solid state in a few years some of my money is stuffed[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]

Not really a problem as other bits seem safe to me.

Never owned a VW myself. The Bettles and Kombi vans seem a bit hippy for me[bigwhistle] The ones I have been in seem solid and well built. Passat and Golf family have had seemed very well regarded. "

• Almost 70 new electric models by 2028 – instead of the 50 previously planned
• Comprehensive decarbonization program for the Volkswagen Group signed off
• Volkswagen Group targeting fully CO 2 -neutral balance by 2050

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That is their goals. Using my or others' views on that is really irrelevant. I know or understand VW invested hundreds of millions in Solid state batteries and is likely to have them in cars by 2025

Always know what I know can be mistaken of course. My wait and see may be Landrover perhaps[bigwhistle] Not really as car manufactures are almost irrelevant to what is a much bigger change happening already perhaps? Megatrends are opportunities or problems.

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VW’s are bloody aweful IMO and rank highly amongst the most problematic brands - along with Land Rovers mind you so we probably should chuck too many rocks. [emoji56]

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

So, I'm up home at the moment and went for a walk last night. There's a Tesla charge station here and then about a k away a set of RACV chargers. There was only one EV charging at either facility - and it was a Tesla using the RACV chargers. Can anyone explain why? Are the RACV fast chargers faster than Tesla's own chargers?

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RACV members get a 20% discount on their charging, so I’m guessing price related. Same as shopping around for your petrol. [emoji106]