EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Its nothing to do with idealogy, imagine telling people what htey need to do to save some money on petrol is spend tens of thousand of dollars on a new electric throw-away that has a very limited lifespan.

No matter which way you look at it, your talking travel only for the wealthy as soon as electric throw-aways are mentioned.

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I'm the one talking ideology hey?

We've been through this. EV's are at typically at price parity now. There are numerous EV's in the high 40's to very low 60's. Have a look at that list below of Australias top selling cars. How many of them are cheaper than that? Only two or three that I can see and even then you could get an equivalent size EV for that price. Your claim about EV's being for the wealthy is just wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.

If you claim they are expensive because there are no second hand ones.. would you have us import them from somewhere else second hand? What's the plan if we don't buy new ones?

As to the "electric throw-away that has a very limited lifespan". Again. Totally baseless and wrong. For someone who says they don't dislike EV's you sure seem to hate them with a passion.

Australias top selling cars

1. Ford Ranger ute – 56,555 (-9.6%)
2. Toyota RAV4 medium SUV – 51,947 (-11.5%)
3. Toyota HiLux ute – 51,297 (-4.1%)
4. Isuzu D-Max ute – 26,839 (-11.1%)
5. Ford Everest large SUV – 26,161 (-1.3%)
6. Toyota LandCruiser Prado large SUV – 26,106 (+166.3%)
7. Hyundai Kona small SUV – 22,769 (+31.1%)
8. Mazda CX-5 medium SUV – 22,742 (-0.4%)
9. Mitsubishi Outlander medium SUV – 22,459 (-18.7%)
10. Tesla Model Y medium SUV – 22,239 (+4.6%)

In other news, while we debate about how an Australian EV needs Diesel too....

Some of the biggest ports in the Middle East, Dubai, Oman and Bahrain have closed after four ships have been attacked.

I sure hope this is temporary and they sort it out quickly.. but the Trumpster says he expects "four or five weeks". As noted, we all need stuff delivered by diesel, and grown with diesel etc etc...

https://x.com/mercoglianos/status/20...060317930?s=20

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I'm the one talking ideology hey?

We've been through this. EV's are at typically at price parity now. There are numerous EV's in the high 40's to very low 60's. Have a look at that list below of Australias top selling cars. How many of them are cheaper than that? Only two or three that I can see and even then you could get an equivalent size EV for that price. Your claim about EV's being for the wealthy is just wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.

If you claim they are expensive because there are no second hand ones.. would you have us import them from somewhere else second hand? What's the plan if we don't buy new ones?

As to the "electric throw-away that has a very limited lifespan". Again. Totally baseless and wrong. For someone who says they don't dislike EV's you sure seem to hate them with a passion.

Australias top selling cars

1. Ford Ranger ute – 56,555 (-9.6%)
2. Toyota RAV4 medium SUV – 51,947 (-11.5%)
3. Toyota HiLux ute – 51,297 (-4.1%)
4. Isuzu D-Max ute – 26,839 (-11.1%)
5. Ford Everest large SUV – 26,161 (-1.3%)
6. Toyota LandCruiser Prado large SUV – 26,106 (+166.3%)
7. Hyundai Kona small SUV – 22,769 (+31.1%)
8. Mazda CX-5 medium SUV – 22,742 (-0.4%)
9. Mitsubishi Outlander medium SUV – 22,459 (-18.7%)
10. Tesla Model Y medium SUV – 22,239 (+4.6%)

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What is your point. Yes, only the wealthy can afford all of these new cars. If they can afford a new car, the cost of fuel is almost irrelevant. Note: a lot of the highest sellers are work utes. Its a part of the cost of doing business.

Lets talk about the people that own cars after they come off lease. These are the poeple expensive fuel and ludicrous electric throw-aways will affect most (ie: the less wealthy people).

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

What is your point. Yes, only the wealthy can afford all of these new cars. If they can afford a new car, the cost of fuel is almost irrelevant. Note: a lot of the highest sellers are work utes. Its a part of the cost of doing business.

Lets talk about the people that own cars after they come off lease. These are the poeple expensive fuel and ludicrous electric throw-aways will affect most (ie: the less wealthy people).

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So you're saying people buying ICE cars new are not wealthy.. even though they cost the same or more than EV's. If you reckon you're confused I sure am too! Oh all the new ICE cars are sold to businesses!

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Based on 2025 VFACTS data, approximately
40% to 42% of new vehicles in Australia are sold to business buyers

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Not to worry.

Can we both agree that each and every EV sold is one less car using diesel/petrol? Or am I delusional? Can we even agree on that?

Meanwhile breaking news. Iran hits the saudi Ras Tanura facility.. one of the largest oil refining and export facilities in the world.

If the defender was driveable and in my posession I would fill it up tonight. Hopefully when it is the fuel might be crazy expensive but at least the AC will be working. Hopefully. I might even take some drums down and fill up. :o

https://x.com/DropSiteNews/status/20...136328458?s=20

I went down and got mower fuel the other day using the human/electric hybrid.

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