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16th November 2020, 06:49 PM
DiscoDB

EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Tassie is Moving. 100% Electric battery and or hydrogen for Government vehicles by 2030! Fast mover Tassie. The rest of us need to catch up. [biggrin]

Two links
Tasmania sets 100 per cent electric vehicle target for government fleet

Tasmanian Liberal Government Wants to Transition Government Vehicle Fleet to 100% Electric Vehicles by 2030 - FuelCellsWorks

I guess they would be hard pressed to suffer from range anxiety in Tasmania. Tasmania actually has a strong case to take the lead on this.
16th November 2020, 06:50 PM
Old Farang

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Originally Posted by scarry

They have said, only once Ev's become 15% of the vehicles on the road, then they may revisit the situation of charging points.

Fuel excise needs some tough decisions,as Ev's are dodging the charge at the moment.

Well the excise may be one thing, but what I want to know is what fuel is going to be used in all the aircraft presently grounded?
Or are they all going to parked at Alice Springs and later stripped and melted down to make EV cars?

And that is just the ones that burn kero. What about GA that runs on petrol? I don't think that my old R22 helicopter can be converted to electric!
16th November 2020, 06:56 PM
Homestar

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Originally Posted by Old Farang

Well the excise may be one thing, but what I want to know is what fuel is going to be used in all the aircraft presently grounded?
Or are they all going to parked at Alice Springs and later stripped and melted down to make EV cars?

And that is just the ones that burn kero. What about GA that runs on petrol? I don't think that my old R22 helicopter can be converted to electric!

Sure it can! You’ll only be able to take off, hover for a minute, and then land, but it would fly. 😇
16th November 2020, 09:35 PM
NavyDiver

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Originally Posted by Homestar

By the time I need to buy a car an EV will probably do as I’ll be retired by then. What the company I work for give me in the next 15 years will all be ICE given the KM I have to do - I need a range of 600KM with gear in the back of the Ute or around 500KM when towing 2000Kg. Can’t see an EV meeting those requirements any time soon and even if they do, how would I charge it given it is parked up to 50 meters from the house every night on the street and I sure as **** aren’t paying to charge it or even use my infrastructure for work purposes. There’s some big issues need solving. On street parking is a huge issue given that lots of people would park at least one of their vehicles on the street each night and a lot of inner city folks don’t even have a driveway or can park near their house.

With solid battery's likely to give you twice the range and half the weight of existing Lithium ion batteries I suspect sub two years and we all may change our minds. VW has tipped more than 300million in to a company with solid state tech, Bill gates also tossed a bucket load at over the last ten years. [biggrin]

Rivian 450km is followed with a A 400-mile (640km) battery pack for the R1T will be available in January 2022. Change the battery tech in the Revian from Lithium ion to the solid state batteries and range is possibly closer to 1000km. Add in the solid state tech does not have the charging ROAD BLOCKS of the current lithium ion and likely charge times of sub 15 minutes. I am keener on hydrogen refilling times but must admit the samsung and QuantumScape tech almost makes hydrogen unnecessary for almost all smaller trucks and vehicles. Total elimination of the fire risk from Lithium Ion as a big plus in my thoughts make that tech safer than both ICE and Lithium ion tech [thumbsupbig] Suspect Toyota and others are chasing this hard as well. Added a chat in a video about their race as well.

It is always almost here of course[biggrin] In a few weeks I think QuantumScape might make me smile a bit more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAFk-CebHWA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76zkKKspWP4
17th November 2020, 06:33 AM
Homestar

EV general discussion

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

With solid battery's likely to give you twice the range and half the weight of existing Lithium ion batteries I suspect sub two years and we all may change our minds. VW has tipped more than 300million in to a company with solid state tech, Bill gates also tossed a bucket load at over the last ten years. [biggrin]

Rivian 450km is followed with a A 400-mile (640km) battery pack for the R1T will be available in January 2022. Change the battery tech in the Revian from Lithium ion to the solid state batteries and range is possibly closer to 1000km. Add in the solid state tech does not have the charging ROAD BLOCKS of the current lithium ion and likely charge times of sub 15 minutes. I am keener on hydrogen refilling times but must admit the samsung and QuantumScape tech almost makes hydrogen unnecessary for almost all smaller trucks and vehicles. Total elimination of the fire risk from Lithium Ion as a big plus in my thoughts make that tech safer than both ICE and Lithium ion tech [thumbsupbig] Suspect Toyota and others are chasing this hard as well. Added a chat in a video about their race as well.

It is always almost here of course[biggrin] In a few weeks I think QuantumScape might make me smile a bit more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAFk-CebHWA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76zkKKspWP4

It's not my mind to change, but my companies - they won't spend more than they need to on a vehicle, so they aren't going to go drop 2 or 3 times the money on an EV for me unfortunately.

And charge time makes no difference to a work vehicle for me as I can't run a lead to it at home so not sure how I could charge it and a 15 minute charge on a battery bank that big would require a very large mains supply so even service stations and car parks aren't going to put in many chargers that draw 100's of amps from the mains. Infrastructure for the vehicles is still one of the biggest hurdles IMO, but I’m pretty sure an EV would make sense as a main run around once we are retired.
17th November 2020, 12:22 PM
NavyDiver

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Originally Posted by Homestar

It's not my mind to change, but my companies - they won't spend more than they need to on a vehicle, so they aren't going to go drop 2 or 3 times the money on an EV for me unfortunately.

And charge time makes no difference to a work vehicle for me as I can't run a lead to it at home so not sure how I could charge it and a 15 minute charge on a battery bank that big would require a very large mains supply so even service stations and car parks aren't going to put in many chargers that draw 100's of amps from the mains. Infrastructure for the vehicles is still one of the biggest hurdles IMO, but I’m pretty sure an EV would make sense as a main run around once we are retired.

Fully agree with your company on spending and costs. The issue is cost. With Ford advertising running cost 40% lower for its EV van I suspect a lot of business will take notice very quickly. Fuel and maintenance cost savings are a game changer and will be the main reason for changes to EV or FCEV for larger longer range and always ready needs. Japan today just might give a little more on the Hydrogen Side.
17th November 2020, 07:12 PM
PhilipA

This thread is starting to remind me of the "Peak Oil" thread back in was it 2007?

Petrol was going to be over $2 per litre by now.

Inflation corrected is it under $1 at present.

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As Mark Twain said, it is difficult to make predictions, particularly about the future. ... The first is President Eisenhower's truistic observation that “the future lies before us”; the second has been variously attributed to Mark Twain and Yogi Berra: “It is dangerous to make forecasts, especially about the future.”

Regards PhilipA
17th November 2020, 10:24 PM
DiscoMick

Fuel excise isn't difficult. They will just put a levy on Chargefox accounts.
18th November 2020, 07:36 AM
Tombie

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Fuel excise isn't difficult. They will just put a levy on Chargefox accounts.

That’s still a big loss based on those who can charge at home.
18th November 2020, 08:47 AM
NavyDiver

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Originally Posted by Tombie

That’s still a big loss based on those who can charge at home.

That's ME[biggrin] Looking at doubling my PV at work. Might move the work one to home dobling up here for a EV likely needed inside a year now as my 2005 Lexus is looking shaky now.

Who has or has driven in a truck tractor or mining style beast powered by a Cummings engine? They are almost slow movers in the area[biggrin]

Cummins powers on with hydrogen technology strategy – Prime Mover Magazine

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