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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    We all talk about how dangerous human drivers are, but in fact, if you look at the statistics, a large proportion of human drivers can spend their driving life without ever being involved in an injury accident at all. Let alone one that they contributed to. Just as an example, I am one of them - only had a licence for sixty-two years so far though. And I am not a rarity. The same applied to both my parents and probably twenty to thirty other people that I know well enough to be certain of their driving history. Unfortunately, this does not include my older son, who blotted his copybook while on his Ps. And, as far as I know, I do not know anyone who has been the driver in a fatal accident.

    Worth a thought that I know of no software system that can be guaranteed to have this low an error rate.

    The fairly well known situation is that a very small percentage of drivers contribute a very large proportion of accidents.
    I agree,but being on the road a lot for work,i often see incidents,where it’s only good luck that has averted a bad accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    I agree,but being on the road a lot for work,i often see incidents,where it’s only good luck that has averted a bad accident.
    Undoubtedly, but the evidence that self driving cars will reduce these near misses and actual accidents is singularly lacking. I suspect that one of the factors influencing the fact that you see a lot of near misses is that only a small proportion of the errors that cause these actually result in an accident. This is particularly the case in that you do not see most of the near misses - the driver whose mind wanders and then the car does - but there was nothing coming the other way, or the driver who failed to look at an intersection and got away with it because there was nothing there etc.

    Some of these sorts of errors will be avoided by self driving cars - but they will undoubtedly introduce ones of their own, which we don't know about yet. Although some of them are already known - for example, recent tests have shown that no current self driving prototypes can reliably tell whether a vehicle in front of them is stationary, unless it has already identified it while it was moving.
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    I think we’ll continue to see small improvements over the years - look at a brand new car today - Son has a new Kia Cerato GT - has all sorts of things to prevent minor and major accidents - lane departure that corrects the steering and keeps you in the lane, auto brakes if the car in front slams on its brakes, etc, etc - all for under $30K. I have a 4 year old Hilux that has ziltch in the way of safety - the traction control is basically useless and the abs marginal. Not that I think the current offering of Hilux is any better mind you, but you get what I’m saying - things get incrementally better with this tech. I still think fully autonomous self driving cars are many years or decades away but one day we’ll get there. Just have to ignore all the BS along the way from the likes of the Electric Jesus disciples etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    I think we’ll continue to see small improvements over the years - look at a brand new car today - Son has a new Kia Cerato GT - has all sorts of things to prevent minor and major accidents - lane departure that corrects the steering and keeps you in the lane, auto brakes if the car in front slams on its brakes, etc, etc - all for under $30K. I have a 4 year old Hilux that has ziltch in the way of safety - the traction control is basically useless and the abs marginal. Not that I think the current offering of Hilux is any better mind you, but you get what I’m saying - things get incrementally better with this tech. I still think fully autonomous self driving cars are many years or decades away but one day we’ll get there. Just have to ignore all the BS along the way from the likes of the Electric Jesus disciples etc.
    i had the latest poverty pack, 2WD Workmate HI Lux,the cheapest one available,as a loan car the other day,as the van was having a biggish service.
    The thing had heaps of safety features,it would take over and pull back into the lane,if it veered over towards the lines on the road.Had a camera in the windscreen for the safety braking feature,and maybe something else.I bet a new windscreen won't be cheap.
    The latest poverty pack Hi Ace is the same.In fact these have more features,with cameras on each corner,etc,etc.

    In the last few years,safety features for some brands have filtered down to all the vehicle models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    -.......................................... things get incrementally better with this tech.

    Now there's a topic , could be as long as "what's the best tyre for ...................... ", or "The Never Ending Story Pt. II"


    I was looking at getting a new ute recently, as in a NEW ute. I've always liked the Isuzu D-Max so had a real close look at the latest model which has a longer wheelbase but the same overall length as last years model, though $4-8K more expensive. Right up my alley I thought and similar to my old 130 single cab ute which was the same overall length as the 110 single cab ute but **** loads better for load carrying.

    It seems the new Isuzu ute has more 3 letter acronyms than you can poke a stick at, all relating to cameras that look at road signs, white lines and won't let you 'speed' above the posted limit, brakes that automatically activate, steering that can take control and god knows what else. I guess I'm not in the right demographic for a new Isuzu ute, I'm buggered if I'm paying $4-8K for all this **** which you couldn't give me on a free ticket anyway .

    On a more positive note the recently superseded model has none of this crap and I'd reluctantly forgo the extended wheelbase for a 'cheap' run-out model. It's just a shame that even the 'poverty pack' new model is still weighed down with all these 'enhancements'

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    One of the issues with these "safety features" is that they allow, in fact encourage, the driver to pay less attention to what they are doing.

    Recent news item - in Alberta, the RCMP pulled over (eventually) a Tesla travelling at 150kph (in a 120 zone) - with both front seats fully reclined and both occupants apparently asleep.

    This is an extreme example, but there are plenty of cases where the adaptive cruise control and lane keeping have enabled inattentive, asleep, movie watching, or drunk drivers to drive into stationary vehicles (several of them police cars with lights flashing), and in a couple of cases drive under semitrailers crossing the highway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    i had the latest poverty pack, 2WD Workmate HI Lux,the cheapest one available,as a loan car the other day,as the van was having a biggish service.
    The thing had heaps of safety features,it would take over and pull back into the lane,if it veered over towards the lines on the road.Had a camera in the windscreen for the safety braking feature,and maybe something else.I bet a new windscreen won't be cheap.
    The latest poverty pack Hi Ace is the same.In fact these have more features,with cameras on each corner,etc,etc.

    In the last few years,safety features for some brands have filtered down to all the vehicle models.
    Good to know they’ve got better in the last 4 years and that proves my post too that things keep getting incrementally better. 👍
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Good to know they’ve got better in the last 4 years and that proves my post too that things keep getting incrementally better. 👍

    AI in cars for self or assisted driving will get better exactly as you say Homestar. ABS braking is a great example of a fanatic improvement . E.V. batteries, Fuel cells or other are improving at an exponential rate. It always feels like its just a year or two way. My D3 will happily wait.

    Only things that does not follow the rule of "incrementally better" is our bodies as we age. Not at all suggesting a USEBY date for you or I.

    I honestly expect to have a E.V. self driving car or taxi by the time I need to hand over my push bike, Boat, motorbike and drivers licenses specifically due the the incremental changes and improvements we see in so much of the technology. A Tesla battery day this week (I think) just might show a item of two of interest. One or two of the improvements are likely to have Australian company(s) in the mix.

    Just back from my rehab- 21km of Lycra Clad horror for any poor onlookers- Sorry Incremental improvements can occur even after 50 I do not own any Tesla stock. Some of the innovations it has brought about are worth watching so I will myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    One of the issues with these "safety features" is that they allow, in fact encourage, the driver to pay less attention to what they are doing.
    That was said by many about Cruise Control when it first became popular..

    Now, after,maybe, 20 to 25 years,there are no statistics to back that claim up.

    Hill start assist for a passenger vehicle(less than 4.5T GVM) to me is annoying tech,and not needed.If a driver can't do a hill start,then i can't see how they have the privilege of having a license for that type of vehicle.

    Auto headlights and wipers also annoy me,i have them off,but we won't go there, as many like them,maybe i am old school.

    Just my 2 cents worth
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    Our Mazda has auto headlights, wipers and stop at traffic lights, which work fine.

    It will be interesting if insurance companies start charging higher premiums for vehicles which lack safety equipment, arguing that vehicles without safety equipment are more likely to crash and make a claim on their insurance policies.

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