Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Tins

Nowhere near as much as it used going up, unless of course the laws of thermodynamics are in fact merely guidelines. Hint: they aren't.



I agree, there are lots of poor drivers out there, ICE or not. I'll bet there are a lot of EV drivers who overuse their brakes as well.



Which brings us back to the point of EV performance at low temperatures.

On the money with all- Note that regen is DC to DC charge so faster than my sad sack 7kWh AC to Dc used mostly if the sun is shining or midnight to 6am if I must

My Disco is off for a Hume Freeway joy ride- Mel-Sydney return Full load of 7 young types a Party BUS

Interesting to consider it will be 2+ tanks. If the the EV was a 7 seater- (its not yet!). Currently 'Free' fast charging in NSW would make the trip cost about $0 or even if paid for a lot less than my Disco! NRMA Electric Car Fast Charger Stations | Australia EV Network Map

My shocker MG every 200ish km for an hour charge would make it a slow trip. A 500km plus EV versions would make it a meal break very low cost trip. Still spins me out that my Disco costs a LOT to service and the MG is yet to have its 2nd service. I did drop in to Ritta ladies and Gents yesterday to get a replacement seat belt part.

They are so busy you have to book a few weeks head for a service! The end of the world is not here yet

I do not think anyone think current battery tech is perfect yet neither is the actual cost of EVs. The new FBT free bit and salary sacrificing will see a lot more sold as stocks allow

$30,000 odd tax savings is a BIG incentive. The Luxury car tax bit is a PITA as it will limit the best EV's from the tax incentives.

Tax dodge moving from a UTE to other options
Electric vehicles are better than a ute for dodging tax

EVs can now take pride of place alongside the Ford Ranger, Toyota HiLux, Isuzu D-MAX and other big utility vehicles as a favourite way for Australians to sidestep the taxman. (Cut from AFR!)

Giving people tax "savings" is just another form of subsidy, which only means that those who can't take advantage of that have to pay for those who can. " Let them eat cake ".

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

On the money with all- Note that regen is DC to DC charge so faster than my sad sack 7kWh AC to Dc used mostly if the sun is shining or midnight to 6am if I must

My Disco is off for a Hume Freeway joy ride- Mel-Sydney return Full load of 7 young types a Party BUS

Interesting to consider it will be 2+ tanks. If the the EV was a 7 seater- (its not yet!). Currently 'Free' fast charging in NSW would make the trip cost about $0 or even if paid for a lot less than my Disco! NRMA Electric Car Fast Charger Stations | Australia EV Network Map

My shocker MG every 200ish km for an hour charge would make it a slow trip. A 500km plus EV versions would make it a meal break very low cost trip. Still spins me out that my Disco costs a LOT to service and the MG is yet to have its 2nd service. I did drop in to Ritta ladies and Gents yesterday to get a replacement seat belt part.

They are so busy you have to book a few weeks head for a service! The end of the world is not here yet

I do not think anyone think current battery tech is perfect yet neither is the actual cost of EVs. The new FBT free bit and salary sacrificing will see a lot more sold as stocks allow

$30,000 odd tax savings is a BIG incentive. The Luxury car tax bit is a PITA as it will limit the best EV's from the tax incentives.

Tax dodge moving from a UTE to other options
Electric vehicles are better than a ute for dodging tax

EVs can now take pride of place alongside the Ford Ranger, Toyota HiLux, Isuzu D-MAX and other big utility vehicles as a favourite way for Australians to sidestep the taxman. (Cut from AFR!)

They are so busy you have to book a few weeks head for a service! The end of the world is not here yet

Shouldn't this be in my post re GP appointments?

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Currently 'Free' fast charging in NSW would make the trip cost about $0 or even if paid for a lot less than my Disco!

That part simply isn't true. Sure, you won't be out of pocket on the day, but somebody will. Everyone who pays a power bill is paying for your trip, because you can bet your house that the power generators aren't giving it away.

Once EVs reach a tipping point things will change. Anyone who thinks that they will be getting 'free' personal transport in the future is out of their mind. Meanwhile, the poor folk have to pay $2.20 a litre for diesel, or walk. They can't afford to buy an EV which they will have to throw away in ten years when it is obsolete. They were encouraged to buy diesels, not more than 10-15 years ago. But the folk who can lease, or take a car in a package, they're ok, right? Who cares about pensioners?

"Let them eat cake". The Guillotine was invented because of that attitude. Let's hope we don't get that far, eh James?

With the new FBT excemptions coming in, we're looking seriously at updating the wife's S3 to an EV. Most travel is 10kms each way to work every day, but the fortnightly trips to Perth for the day (400km return trip) are the killer... We were serious about a Volvo x40 EV, but the highway range is only around 350km, down from 440km in urban driving. As much as we'd like to update, an EV is just not suitable for regional travel.

Looks like it may be a BMW 330e as a PHEV that can can at least cover enough needs. Or a Mitsubishi Outlander (which are truly ugly so have no chance...)

Originally Posted by Tins

That part simply isn't true. Sure, you won't be out of pocket on the day, but somebody will. Everyone who pays a power bill is paying for your trip, because you can bet your house that the power generators aren't giving it away.

Once EVs reach a tipping point things will change. Anyone who thinks that they will be getting 'free' personal transport in the future is out of their mind. Meanwhile, the poor folk have to pay $2.20 a litre for diesel, or walk. They can't afford to buy an EV which they will have to throw away in ten years when it is obsolete. They were encouraged to buy diesels, not more than 10-15 years ago. But the folk who can lease, or take a car in a package, they're ok, right? Who cares about pensioners?

"Let them eat cake". The Guillotine was invented because of that attitude. Let's hope we don't get that far, eh James?

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Some one always pays John. I can get power for free from a few places - I know someone is paying!

Why do you think you through away in 10 years? Several of our oldest Landrovers have a nifty new life with battery power now sir

Fully appreciate cost at present are high John. That the second hand market will get a heap of 3ish year old still under warranty EVs due to ex lease cars via the FBT rulz change will bring prices for the masses soon mate. Let them eat Roo, venison, rabbits, pippies, crayfish mate or warrigal greens for free. Cakes are high sugar

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Some one always pays John.

Yep. Those who can least afford it.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Why do you think you through away in 10 years?

Nothing. My newest car is 17 years old. My newest LR is 22. My OKA is 30. I have only ever owned one new car, and I don't intend to buy another.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

will bring prices for the masses soon mate

Unless they also bring 5 minute fills, availability of refuelling pretty much anywhere, ability to be home serviced and repaired they are no bloody use to me.

If I lived and travelled only in a city, and I could be absolutely assured that the batteries were not made with cobalt mined by child slaves, and I knew that my use would not be at the cost of others ( $$$, or grid problems ) I would have one in a heartbeat if I could afford one. But I don't, I hate cities, and I can't be assured of those things, and I can't afford one, so I won't be getting one. I don't see why I have to subsidise yours. Not you, personally, James, anyone's.

I think EVs are amazing, in their natural environment. If the grid can sustain them, then I'm all for them as city cars, preferably when they move on from lithium, which is a very limited resource in todays terms. But, I look on the EV industry's promises to save us all with the same suspicion that I use in assessing pre election promises from politicians. I'm surprised they don't kiss babies.

Like "renewable energy", I think EVs should stand on their own unsubsidised feet.

Originally Posted by Tins

Yep. Those who can least afford it.

Like "renewable energy", I think EVs should stand on their own unsubsidised feet.

The highest tax payer are? Hint not the poor people John Note of course old cars can be both economical and expensive My current D3 ice engine and prior D3 gear box fails go a little way to demonstrate that to myself at least.

Subsidies are interesting. Billions or trillions of Subsidies in coal, gas, oil of course We all think think EVs should stand on their own unsubsidised feet which is why some of us are happy they will be cheaper due to NOT being subject to the extra taxes UTES are already largely exempt from

PS Extra taxes are almost always paid by poor for luxury cars? NOT.

The sin taxes are of course avoidable like your smart choice sir (alcohol, tobacco...)

Hydrogen-powered Toyota HiLux prototypes to be built in the UK

FCEV Hilux in the news again Why in the UK? Governments and state government compete to attract jobs. Trillions of $$$ is waiting for a large scale long term investment (stated by Brookfield renewable trust) That is a Billionaires play ground or really your super funds money looking for a safe long term investment that will not be a stranded asset in medium/longer term which is the case with oil, gas and coal.

Disco driving into Sydney as I type $420 in fuel cost so far in the tank. Some tired young types promised to bring my car back for fishing and diving needed next week for Xmas stash- Crayfish, sea urchin, sea cucumbers , snapper, king fish and green lip abalone on my to get xmas list- My EV is not there yet