Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Tesla significantly reduce prices of their vehicles. Expect this to not only affect the EV market, but to bleed to the ICE market too. A Camry Hybrid is now only a few K less than a Model 3 for instance.

Meanwhile in the EV space, most legacy manufacturers are at least $10-20k more than an equivalent Tesla. Ouch.

Tesla Model Y, Model 3 receive major price cuts in Australia | CarExpert

Camry Hybrid - from $44K
Tesla Model 3 - from $56K

Getting closer but not quite... The base model Camry SX Hybrid is also better appointed inside IMO - we have a near new 24 model at work - nice car, electric everything and well implemented driver assist (Which I hate in all cars but you can turn off everything in the Yota and it stays off). Last Model 3 I drove was nowhere near the fit and finish of a Yota nor anywhere near as nice to be in (Personal opinion only). I think we paid right on $40K for it as a company car with metallic silver paint. I wouldn't compare a Model 3 to the SL - it's nowhere close so I wouldn't use this as a comparison. If the Model 3 was a similar price we may have actually considered one as the daily commute for the person who drives it is around 120KM and that's pretty much all it gets used for but we wouldn't spend an extra $15K for one then have to worry about the resale value when we flip it as that's one of the key reason we still buy Yota's is they still command dumb prices after 5 years which is good for a business that goes through as many cars as we do. My Dmax is the first non Toyota vehicle the company has bought and the Boss grumbled about it for this very reason.

It's not the legacy OEM's that are challenging Tesla - it's the new young upstarts out of China - BYD is tearing Tesla a new one...

Originally Posted by PhilipA

Great for resale values.
How long before a mid 20K Model 3 if not already.
Regards PhilipA

There are 2015 and 2016 Model S's advertised for over $40K still - as Darryl Kerrigan would say "Tell 'em they're dreamin' "

I think mid to high 20's max at the moment with prices only going one way.

Originally Posted by Homestar

Camry Hybrid - from $44K
Tesla Model 3 - from $56K

Getting closer but not quite... The base model Camry SX Hybrid is also better appointed inside IMO - we have a near new 24 model at work - nice car, electric everything and well implemented driver assist (Which I hate in all cars but you can turn off everything in the Yota and it stays off). Last Model 3 I drove was nowhere near the fit and finish of a Yota nor anywhere near as nice to be in (Personal opinion only). I think we paid right on $40K for it as a company car with metallic silver paint. I wouldn't compare a Model 3 to the SL - it's nowhere close so I wouldn't use this as a comparison. If the Model 3 was a similar price we may have actually considered one as the daily commute for the person who drives it is around 120KM and that's pretty much all it gets used for but we wouldn't spend an extra $15K for one then have to worry about the resale value when we flip it as that's one of the key reason we still buy Yota's is they still command dumb prices after 5 years which is good for a business that goes through as many cars as we do. My Dmax is the first non Toyota vehicle the company has bought and the Boss grumbled about it for this very reason.

It's not the legacy OEM's that are challenging Tesla - it's the new young upstarts out of China - BYD is tearing Tesla a new one...

If you think an SX camry is much better in any metric I probably can't help you and you're not being objective. Mcpherson struts, 131kwh .. LOL.

Hows internet connectivity of the Camry? Can you turn the AC on via the app on a hot day? etc etc..

Also.. does the camry get a 6k rebate?

Does the camry cost 1.20 per 100k to run? I guess you enjoy going and talking to the people at the dealer every six months..

I personally think the SX Camrys interior is a nicer place to be than a model 3. No, it doesn't go as quick or have the suspension yours does - but it's bloody comfy to drive I can tell you - far more comfortable than the lumpy bumpy model 3. If one of your requirements when buying a car is how good the App is and that you can turn the AC on before getting into it - well you do you - I've never needed to - and my Dmax does do that but I've never seen a reason for it personally. You were the one that made the comparison, not me - I just happen to have driven both vehicles you've mentioned so put my 2 cents in as to what I think of both. Don't hate me because I like one better than the other and it isn't what your opinion is - that's just dumb...

Again, you're assuming I'm an EV hater because I don't like the same cars you do - again - dumb. You've shown time and again you're unwilling to accept others opinions on this matter and just think that everyone should love and use EV's because there's nothing that can do the job better.

You always seem to miss the one crucial point - everyone's different and not everyone wants to drive an EV for a host of reasons. Jumping up and down trying to prove they're wrong doesn't - and won't change this. It seems in general, most don't want an EV and hating on someone for buying a Hybrid of all things is at best hypocritical and worst stupid. Think about it for a minute - you're telling me that because a person or company can't or doesn't want an EV so does the next best think and buys a Hybrid is - in your words "not being objective"

I think you should be looking in the mirror when sprouting such rubbish.

Should I be quoting Bill Murray on this one?

Originally Posted by Homestar

I personally think the SX Camrys interior is a nicer place to be than a model 3. No, it doesn't go as quick or have the suspension yours does - but it's bloody comfy to drive I can tell you - far more comfortable than the lumpy bumpy model 3. If one of your requirements when buying a car is how good the App is and that you can turn the AC on before getting into it - well you do you - I've never needed to - and my Dmax does do that but I've never seen a reason for it personally. You were the one that made the comparison, not me - I just happen to have driven both vehicles you've mentioned so put my 2 cents in as to what I think of both. Don't hate me because I like one better than the other and it isn't what your opinion is - that's just dumb...

Again, you're assuming I'm an EV hater because I don't like the same cars you do - again - dumb. You've shown time and again you're unwilling to accept others opinions on this matter and just think that everyone should love and use EV's because there's nothing that can do the job better.

You always seem to miss the one crucial point - everyone's different and not everyone wants to drive an EV for a host of reasons. Jumping up and down trying to prove they're wrong doesn't - and won't change this. It seems in general, most don't want an EV and hating on someone for buying a Hybrid of all things is at best hypocritical and worst stupid. Think about it for a minute - you're telling me that because a person or company can't or doesn't want an EV so does the next best think and buys a Hybrid is - in your words "not being objective"

I think you should be looking in the mirror when sprouting such rubbish.

Should I be quoting Bill Murray on this one?

I was giggling about this after. Hit me with something the camry has that the Model 3 doesn't? I had to buy a Toyota for the kids (was cheap). Getting into it is just like going back in time. Oh look.. the lights don't switch on automatically. You have to move everything to where you had it last time after someone else has driven it. It doesn't remember what you were listening to on spotify last time you drove it - or what temperature you liked. And my favourite was you walk up and it doesn't unlock itself, and it isn't automatically running when you clip your seabelt in. People just kept walking off and leaving it unlocked. And you need a key. LOLOLOL Plus I had to do oil changes, gearbox oil changes. I've got to do the coolant. FFS. Man talk about blast from the past.

All you've got for me is "I reckon the camry is nicerer". That's not being objective. I've never owned more than one car of one brand (actually up until our last Toyota purchase which now makes two toyotas). I'm just telling it as it is. A guy who loves cars is saying he's been very very impressed with his tesla. Like literally a year on. I can't think of anything I've got to pin on it. Nada.

And do you really think I'm telling everyone that EV's do everything and there is nothing else? You're trying that on the guy who keeps a defender in the garage to go to the desert, and a Lotus in the workshop for Sundays? (headshake). Can't I also appreciate that the EV is really really excellent for all the other automotive requirements of the household? You can't see that?

Fortunately more people seem to agree with me.. Tesla M3 despite being somewhat more expensive got into 14th spot over all with over 17000 sales. I don't know how many the camry sold as it didn't get into the top 20 and I can't be bothered trawling for it.

Do some looking .. be objective. If you said you were trying to compare M3 with a camry hybrid with the Top Gear people they'd laugh at you. But as you say, you do you! Can you compare a top spec camry with a BMW M3? At least the M3 is in with a shot.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

.......While waiting I saw my fist EV delivery truck. Attachment 190130NSW plates here in Vic.

The Driver said he had to charge daily! It might be this one T5 Electric Truck - Foton Mobility Distribution Australia

The charge time is a shocker! Not on my shopping list!

Add the delays to access charging and doubt it will be a hot item here unless depot with charging and limited range needed. The one in my pic is a IKEA delivery vehicle.

Originally Posted by Homestar

I can neither confirm nor deny that some of these exact trucks are being charged off a diesel generator every night at the moment...

A stationary engine operating in it's optimum rev range is more efficient than one driving the wheels of a vehicle Why the EV charger in the Nullarbor makes a lot of sense - L2SFBC Which is why I think a lot of cars should be going to this type of EV with range extender engine as we pro'ly don't have enough lithium and other components for EV batteries for all cars yet, IIRC the last one available in Aus was the Chevy Volt and the latest is 2023 Nissan X-Trail ST-L e-Power review - Drive

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Fortunately more people seem to agree with me.. Tesla M3 despite being somewhat more expensive got into 14th spot over all with over 17000 sales. I don't know how many the camry sold as it didn't get into the top 20 and I can't be bothered trawling for it.

It depends which list you look at.
This is the top 10 for April 2024.

1. Toyota RAV4
2. Ford Ranger
3. Toyota HiLux
4. Ford Everest
5. Isuzu D-Max
6. Toyota Corolla
7. Toyota LandCruiser
8. Isuzu MU-X
9. Toyota Camry
10. Mitsubishi Outlander

https://www.canstarblue.com.au/vehicles/top-selling-cars/

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I was giggling about this after. Hit me with something the camry has that the Model 3 doesn't?

Ride comfort and resale value.

Drops mic and walks off.

But it’s not about that so I think you’ve missed the point. People value things differently - I don’t give a rats arse about performance - I rode a motorbike for years that would eat a model 3 so been there, done that. Actually had a fang on a mates modified Hyabusa the other week - 200HP at the rear wheel and 300kg with my fat arse on it - faaaaarrrrk that things crazy!

Anyway, horses for courses.

Enjoy