Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Tins

It could also be argued that someone who lives so close to a CBD has no need of a Defender, but hey, the rules don't apply equally, right?

I'm alright, Jack.

Yeah right. I just had a look at the book. 19-12-23 I put fuel in. 176569. Today 177788k. So just a smidge over 1000k in nearly 7 months. Some of those k's was a short trip where we didn't use the EV because the service place wants me to do a thousand on the new diff before changing the oil. 1000k in 7 months. Why? Because I ride my bike most places or if I have to drive I take the EV.

And that is why this thread is so symptomatic of the mess we're in.

I care about the environment BUT...

I'm not against EV's BUT...

God help you if you question the australian new found love of utes!

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Oh I get it, yes everyone also has lots of ****ty old car on club permits and car wrecks around the yard. They drove past my house once, so obviously this is what everyone has. Why does he need all those old cars ... someone should make him get rid of them all and get an electric car "because its good for the environment". So you found one house somewhere where a bunch of 4wd enthusiests live........ Let me guess, builders? Is there tradie trailers in the yard too. Are the sons apprentices somewhere in the building trade?

I agree, they are terrible people, lets force them to get rid of those evil twin cab utes an buy an electric car.

And no they are not builders. Or if they are they are the type that never have any tools or equipment, or building supplies in the ute. Trays clean and unsullied by work. No they don't have builders trailers.

I think you should be able to buy a car that suits your needs but a lot of people make a purchasing decision based on the image they want to project.

TV & Film stars being seen in EV's but having a hummer in the garage as well.
People buying EV's because they 'think' they are saving the planet.
People buying utes because.......

Here in VIC I bet that most EV's are charged using brown coal but the people driving them seem to think they are 'green'. Their exhaust pipe is down the Yallourn Valley !
Governments around the World seem to be pushing towards EV's yet in many cases the charging infrastructure isn't available. I read something recently where it was suggested that EV's will become like phones. You'll buy one on a plan then return it and replace it with a new one....... hmmmm not really that environmentally friendly.
Yes you can recycle them but most IC vehicles would have a longer life before they are recycled.

A couple of the major car companies held back with EV's (possibly they didn't see a long term future in them) but this came back to bite them as all the sheep purchased EV's. They have had to do an about turn as they lost market share.

I like the concept of instant power & torque plus regenerative braking with an EV but that's where it ends.
Battery production is a dirty business as I'm sure recycling is also. Add to this what appears to be massive depreciation (I'm not actively watching the market) and I don't see the EV having a long term future.

Colin

Yes, I do still think the World is flat.

Originally Posted by gromit

Colin

Yes, I do still think the World is flat.

I don't think the earth is, but sooner or later the EV batteries will be, for various reasons, from infrastructure failure to optimism of range.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

Yeah right. I just had a look at the book. 19-12-23 I put fuel in. 176569. Today 177788k. So just a smidge over 1000k in nearly 7 months. Some of those k's was a short trip where we didn't use the EV because the service place wants me to do a thousand on the new diff before changing the oil. 1000k in 7 months. Why? Because I ride my bike most places or if I have to drive I take the EV.

And that is why this thread is so symptomatic of the mess we're in.

I care about the environment BUT...

I'm not against EV's BUT...

God help you if you question the australian new found love of utes!

Well, you know. This is nothing new actually. It used to be that the sedan's were all the rage, then came the station wagen, that became the people mover, crossovers popped up, SUV's are now the rage next will beeeee the horse again?

Does it REALLY matter? It's a CHOICE and that is what this in the end is all about. People vote with their wallet; they want an SUV or UTE and they buy them, forcing manufacturers to play ball. That is how the free market economy is supposed to work.

I can kinda understand your frustration, I used to be similarly annoyed by the trends a few decades ago but what's the point mate If you can afford the SUV, including it's higher running costs I don't see the problem. In most cases the EV is seemingly cheaper to run, for now, if we are to believe this thread and other experiences. Still, people choose to buy something more expensive. Isn't that indication enough as to how badly they want it? And should that not be their God given right? I mean you can buy kings gear OR you can buy decent stuff, that is also a choice...

The u(dis)topian future of EV's will soon-ish be upon us anyway. When and if people still like utes, they'll buy that ugly rivian or perhaps the even more god awful cybertruck. Would you have as much of a problem with them as well? (fair and honest question, not to put you on the spot!)

And finally still, even utes and SUV's are getting cleaner in absolute numbers. Look at the most sold of them all, toyota killed the V8 (sadly for enthousiasts) and you can now only get a V6 or even the 4 banger lawnmower engine in the 70 series.

I will however agree with you that protection from the Chinese will and even should be coming. Not because they are EV's but just because sponsoring the CCP the way we have been for decades now has turned out to be quite a big mistake, if you ask me.

-P

Originally Posted by gromit

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Here in VIC I bet that most EV's are charged using brown coal but the people driving them seem to think they are 'green'. Their exhaust pipe is down the Yallourn Valley ......................


Colin

Yes, I do still think the World is flat.

It took a while to get my head around it, but there are less CO2 emissions per km travelled with an EV charged by coal powered generation than a similar size & weight petrol or diesel vehicle.

Homestar explained it on here many moons ago.

DL

Hi,
Ditto with a locomotive electric drive powered by a diesel engine running a generator.
Both the ICE and the coal powered steam turbine can run at optimum speed/load for the power needed.
Cheers

Mount Disappointment snow trip today. It was disappointing as expected No At 800m above sea level it was just a bit low. Hail like rain would have been snow just that bit higher

Interesting not on wet and slippery dirt roads and the Mg4s rear wheel traction and anti slip which was surprisingly good.
Missed my prior Disco just once and a wash out not for anything without high clearance. I Found 'Alt route one' and got to the part of the road closed seasonally for 4wd or not

Range wise the 80ish % Start never bothered me. Lunch at King Lake pub could have been missed. Food was a bit of a misfire in my view! I'll recharge via Solar tomorrow perhaps