Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Narangga

46,689 km on the odometer all at 14.5kWh/100. Takes me to work - after I have dropped wife at her work, does the shopping, airport and other general runs. Only issue is the rubber boot over the hatch release button at the rear has perished and so I am waiting for a replacement (warranty).

What’s your insurance coverage / annual?
What’s current market value?

Originally Posted by Tombie

What’s your insurance coverage / annual?
What’s current market value?

Sorry if this isn't what you are asking:

1. Vehicle is leased so is insured at the amount still owed. Annual cost is $1,577
2. Less than what is owed which is mostly because of the cheaper vehicles being imported from China (including by Kia where as mine was made in Korea). Leased for 5 years and my intention was always to keep it much longer than that.

Purely for fun, don't get over excited!


I am thinking of swapping my ev for an ICE car ?.

1. I have heard that petrol cars cannot refuel at home while you sleep? How often do you have to refill elsewhere? Will there be a solution for refuelling at home?

2. Which parts will I need to service and how often? The car salesman mentioned oil in the engine and timing belts that need replacing and a box with gears in it. What is this? How much will this service oil change cost and how often ? and what happens to the old oil. Also, apparently these petrol type cars generally stop on the brakes alone ? so the brakes wear out much faster ? how long will they last compared to my current car which lasts over 100k miles?

3. Do I get fuel back when I slow down or drive downhill?

4. The car I test drove seemed to have a delay from the time I pressed the accelerator pedal until it began to accelerate. Is that normal in petrol cars?

5. We currently pay about 1.2p per mile to drive our electric car. I have heard that petrol can cost up to 8 times as much. Is this true?

6. Is it true that petrol is flammable?

7. I understand that the main ingredient in petrol is oil. Is it true that the extraction and refining of oil causes environmental problems as well as conflicts and major wars that over the last 100 years have cost millions of lives? Is there a solution?

8. I have also been told that you have to transport oil all over the world to turn into petrol or diesel, and these ships have in the past damaged the environment by leaking the oil.

9. I have heard that cars with internal combustion engines are being banned to enter more and more cities around the world, as it is claimed that they tend to harm the environment and health of their citizens? Is that true?

10. I have been told that these internal combustion engines make a noise when you start them ? so early starts can wake people up, and driving a lot of internal combustion engine cars in towns makes towns noisy.

11. is it true people can steal the fuel from your tank?

12. what is the drop in range in cold weather, I've been told a car that does 45mpg can drop to 37 mpg in winter ? just curious on that one.

13. a friend told me that the exhausts wear out ? is that true, and people steal them for the rare material used in them.

14. I was also told ? that the exhaust gas isn't good for you ? and if you leave the car running in a confined space ? like a garage ? you will die ? surely that isn't true is it?

15. next door told me ? these petrol cars ? carry around 40 to 60 litres of highly flammable liquid which is pumped into a steel cylinder, and its then exploded to generate expanding gas to move a piston, and turn linear motion into rotary motion. Why would anyone want thousands of explosions happening within a few feet of where your sitting.

16. a guy at work told me ? he has a petrol car, and it leaks oil. When he parks it ? surely that's not right is it ? leaving dirty marks on the floor and contaminating the environment so directly. How long before this happens if I change.

17. my dad told me ? if you buy a diesel car ? the hand pump smells very bad, and you have to wear special gloves to stop your hand smelling, and if you spill it on your clothes it terrible.

18. is it true ? the petrol and diesel is so dangerous, that you can only buy the fuel at a special filling station, and not anywhere (hotels/Car parks/Home/Work)?

19. while technology is advancing, will I ever be able to refuel my internal combustion car for free using only the sun?

20. would I be better off going straight to horse and cart, and not buying a horseless carriage

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

Purely for fun, don't get over excited!


[I]I am thinking of swapping my ev for an ICE car ?......................



And there is the recent post from Goingbush about the mains plan he's on and the service provider that charges nix for electron swaps between 11 and 2 daily when he puts 'petrol' in his Series LR that also produces 'petrol' every time he takes his foot off the accelerator.

DL

I sometimes wonder whether I should still add to this thread since we are going around in circles. If you do not like EV's, you don't. If you like em, you do. There are still plenty of reasons for both sides to argue and I do not see anything that will significantly change the discussion on the distant horizon. Even newer battery tech is still by far not dense enough and the latest greatest ICE examples are not quite as efficient as we would like them to be, etc. etc.

The question coming to mind is: what does my recent calculation (just for sh... and giggles) add to this discussion? Has it not already been said before? Am I just wanting to shine light on the other side of the argument just because there is too much being said on this side?

For context, I am a Honda fan before I am a land rover fan (can you tell by my handle?) but Honda does not make a decent 4x4 (neither does land rover these days some argue but hey). In any case, my personal situation was changing once again last month so I was looking into a solution (details are a whole story in and of itself so I won't go into it here).

Being a Honda fan, there is just one EV I fancy and that is the Honda-e. It has a small range but it's a fun little runabout. Suffice it to say it has some limits and that has also brought to light the many challenges that come with charging. It was a nice trip down the technology and (im)possibilities and I can only come to the conclusion once again: it's just not for me.

So looking at that just for fun post, I can think of many a funny comeback but what does it matter

Cheers,
-P

Originally Posted by prelude

I sometimes wonder whether I should still add to this thread since we are going around in circles. If you do not like EV's, you don't. If you like em, you do. There are still plenty of reasons for both sides to argue and I do not see anything that will significantly change the discussion on the distant horizon. Even newer battery tech is still by far not dense enough and the latest greatest ICE examples are not quite as efficient as we would like them to be, etc. etc.

The question coming to mind is: what does my recent calculation (just for sh... and giggles) add to this discussion? Has it not already been said before? Am I just wanting to shine light on the other side of the argument just because there is too much being said on this side?

For context, I am a Honda fan before I am a land rover fan (can you tell by my handle?) but Honda does not make a decent 4x4 (neither does land rover these days some argue but hey). In any case, my personal situation was changing once again last month so I was looking into a solution (details are a whole story in and of itself so I won't go into it here).

Being a Honda fan, there is just one EV I fancy and that is the Honda-e. It has a small range but it's a fun little runabout. Suffice it to say it has some limits and that has also brought to light the many challenges that come with charging. It was a nice trip down the technology and (im)possibilities and I can only come to the conclusion once again: it's just not for me.

So looking at that just for fun post, I can think of many a funny comeback but what does it matter

Cheers,
-P

I hardly bother in here any more. Many people in here are on the the EV's are #@$ side of the fence, and there is no changing.

Me.. I'm not a landrover fan, or a ford fan, or a mazda fan or whatever. I'm a car fan. I've never owned more than one car from any one brand. I look at what's out there and make a call at the time.

Our EV does what we want. We've owned it over two years now and never needed to charge out of the house. It has sufficient range to do what we want for our city car. It's quiet, comfortable, and very economical to run. So far there is nothing to suggest the battery is degrading (I know it's early days), but it so far exceeds our needs that if it did get a bit softer as it gets older it won't be an issue. The thing is - it's a large battery and we are only tickling it so I suspect it will last long time. In all likelihood the end of this car will be some little fender bender, or something which will cause it to be written off for economic reasons. Just like an ice car. I was looking at the early 2010's disco on carsales the other day "perfect condition but engine dead so written off."

If you objectively look at difference in the maintenance requirements between the EV and the Defender - I reckon I could throw a new battery at the EV every dozen years and still be an order of magnitude cheaper to run. But I really don't think we are going to have to. We are lucky enough to be able to afford two cars, and it's an ideal city car. And it's costing me $150 a year to do about 12000k in it.

Next week we are off for a weekend away. It's about 300k, so comfortably inside the range of the EV. The place we are staying has a free charger - so I'll take the EV and save the $120 on fuel I'd have to put into the Defender for a contribution to food for the weekend.

People need to stop listening to what we are being told to think. EV's are just cars with a battery. It's just progress. Yeah they won't do everything or suit all needs, but some things they do really well...

Basically, the world's changing and there are a lot of people who can't cope with change. There have been times in the past when the world was changing and the contests were between those moving with the times and those determined that things not change. The doppers and Luddites mostly lost. So, we're in a transitional time.

I do project finance and the writing's been on the wall for, for example, coal projects since the early 2000s. That's not a political point of view, it's the view of the hard-headed bankers and others who underwrite projects. You'll recall that the last Conservative government put up a pile of money to encourage developers to build new coal-powered power plants. As far as I'm aware they didn't get a single taker, and that's because given how cheap renewables are now it'd be almost impossible to get a coal project to FID.

So, electric cars - pure EV doesn't work for us at present since we don't have off-street parking but I've driven a lot of hybrids and the technology works perfectly. Our council does put in place on-street chargers for residents so I might see if they'd do it for us.

Originally Posted by prelude

I sometimes wonder whether I should still add to this thread since we are going around in circles. If you do not like EV's, you don't. If you like em, you do. There are still plenty of reasons for both sides to argue and I do not see anything that will significantly change the discussion on the distant horizon. Even newer battery tech is still by far not dense enough and the latest greatest ICE examples are not quite as efficient as we would like them to be, etc. etc.

The question coming to mind is: what does my recent calculation (just for sh... and giggles) add to this discussion? Has it not already been said before? Am I just wanting to shine light on the other side of the argument just because there is too much being said on this side?

For context, I am a Honda fan before I am a land rover fan (can you tell by my handle?) but Honda does not make a decent 4x4 (neither does land rover these days some argue but hey). In any case, my personal situation was changing once again last month so I was looking into a solution (details are a whole story in and of itself so I won't go into it here).

Being a Honda fan, there is just one EV I fancy and that is the Honda-e. It has a small range but it's a fun little runabout. Suffice it to say it has some limits and that has also brought to light the many challenges that come with charging. It was a nice trip down the technology and (im)possibilities and I can only come to the conclusion once again: it's just not for me.

So looking at that just for fun post, I can think of many a funny comeback but what does it matter

Cheers,
-P

I'm pretty sure most EV's are run as the 2nd/3rd/4th car in Australia. ie: everyone has a proper car for when its required. I've neither pro or anti EV, what I am is anti-stupidity. I can't stand the stupidity being screamed at us by the EV lobby. Or the utter stupidity of the goverment trying to mandate EV's (what do you think the new pollution standards are ? EV mandates in disguise).

You will probably find the little honda will work remarkably well for you ..... as a 2nd .. or 3rd .... or 4th car.... aka: city run-about.

There is no doubt, the electric motor is vastly superior as a way to generate power, the downfall is the battery. This is why trams and metro trains work so well. They have a "power wire" that wires them directly to the power grid.

My parents have bought an EV and reckon its great. What they won't mention is they also have a modern turbo diesel 4wd to tow the caravan and two petrol club permit vehicles. So the electric throw-away being flat or broken doesn't really matter

seeya
Shane L.