Thread: EV general discussion

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

As ever massive rant. About many things.

If you do ever own an EV for a bit you will find they are good vehicles. Cheap to run, nice to drive. Sorry. Just a car with a battery.

Ask yourself - why would anyone buy a corolla? Most of the ev's have high 300 - 400k range. All can be charged to full overnight. For the few times a year you need to do more than 400k in a day will it be worth paying for servicing and fuel all year long? A BYD Atto 2 is far larger and more spacious, more luxurious. And now cheaper. Ouch.

You mean common sense, not rant right? I couldn't care how far an elelctric throw away runs on a battery. Seriously, I care less about the number mice eating up the local windmills that I care how far some chinese throw-awy "might" be able to drive. I can go out in my daugthers poogoe that has nearly 300,0000kms on it. fill the tank it 5 minutes for not a lot and travel waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy over 1000kms. And I can filli t anywhere easily (infact she is hundreds of kms away from home right now on holidays in it. I don't have to worry about her being at some dodgy charger in the backside of beyond waiting for hours in the car).

Even your one sentence above proves how stupid and ridiculous EV's are. Wow, let me do a song and dance. You can get 300kms from an EV .... wow ... amazing. I probably could from a 100 year old Model T on one tank of fuel too. Just amazing right?

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Even your one sentence above proves how stupid and ridiculous EV's are. Wow, let me do a song and dance. You can get 300kms from an EV .... wow ... amazing. I probably could from a 100 year old Model T on one tank of fuel too. Just amazing right?

You forgot to mention that every time your daughter fills her car, the tank doesn't get smaller and need replacing with a new, full sized one every five years.

Originally Posted by NavyDiver

IF BYD delivers on that 1000kWh charger network in Australia the Games changing Immediately?

That's a big IF, James. Here's another one. IF China's economy keeps going the way it is, BYD and the rest of them will cease getting subsidized by the CCCP, and they will no longer be affordable unless they start shipping us the crap they sell at home. Good luck with that, as nothing they sell domestically would pass inspection here, in Europe or the US.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

You mean common sense, not rant right? I couldn't care how far an elelctric throw away runs on a battery. Seriously, I care less about the number mice eating up the local windmills that I care how far some chinese throw-awy "might" be able to drive. I can go out in my daugthers poogoe that has nearly 300,0000kms on it. fill the tank it 5 minutes for not a lot and travel waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy over 1000kms. And I can filli t anywhere easily (infact she is hundreds of kms away from home right now on holidays in it. I don't have to worry about her being at some dodgy charger in the backside of beyond waiting for hours in the car).

Even your one sentence above proves how stupid and ridiculous EV's are. Wow, let me do a song and dance. You can get 300kms from an EV .... wow ... amazing. I probably could from a 100 year old Model T on one tank of fuel too. Just amazing right?

I'm flat out thinking of the number of times I've driven the defender 1000k in a day. Personally I try to keep it to 600-700 max. None the less, our second car.. I can't even think of a time when it's done 500k in a day. So, there is a cost of driving around in an ICE that's 1000k capable.

I don't know what "poogoe" she has but let's work on 10l/100. Might be a bit less for a diesel, might be a bit more for a petrol. Let's go with $1.7 per litre which is also probably a bit cheap these days. My calculation is you've spent $51,000 on fuel in todays money. Let's not talk about all the maintenance. Which Im sure you'll be keen not to do anyway.

The same distance in my EV would come out to $3,300. Not that I'd ever do that much driving.. I'd really be questioning my life choices...

And personally I'd rather my kids in something more modern. But it's all a measured risk I guess. No one goes out expecting to be in a crash.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I'm flat out thinking of the number of times I've driven the defender 1000k in a day. Personally I try to keep it to 600-700 max. None the less, our second car.. I can't even think of a time when it's done 500k in a day. So, there is a cost of driving around in an ICE that's 1000k capable.

I don't know what "poogoe" she has but let's work on 10l/100. Might be a bit less for a diesel, might be a bit more for a petrol. Let's go with $1.7 per litre which is also probably a bit cheap these days. My calculation is you've spent $51,000 on fuel in todays money. Let's not talk about all the maintenance. Which Im sure you'll be keen not to do anyway.

The same distance in my EV would come out to $3,300. Not that I'd ever do that much driving.. I'd really be questioning my life choices...

And personally I'd rather my kids in something more modern. But it's all a measured risk I guess. No one goes out expecting to be in a crash.

See what I mean, stupidity. The car is now 18year old. I would be coming to the end of life for probably the 3rd battery (at $20,000++++ EACH). Just nuts. Cruising the country roads like she is with a group of friends. closer to 5.5 -> 6 L/100. Its a 2.0 turbo diesel with a 6spd manual gearbox. Waaaaayyyy cheaper than an electric flambe to run.

She will be able to travel around for the entire week and not even worry about re-fueling it .... No stupid chargers, no hours in carparks in the middle of nowhere hoping nothing happens to them. Everything about electric throw-away is so utterly ridiculous. I couldn't care how far you travel in a day. Couldn't give a merde if it was only 20 kms per day. Electric throw-aways are still utterly ridiculous.

Not only that, if she is charging from public chargers while away (or you don't have offstreet parking which is a LOT of places these days) it will cost more to fill with electricity than deisel (that will magically dissappear if its hot ... or cold ... or the wind blows ... or the heater needs to be used). Just nuts.

I quite like electric throw-aways, but just like any other car, I'm not blind to there huge, blinding... glaring faults.

Now your trying to say carrying an IED around with you (aka: a giant battery) makes it safer because its newer? I doubt any modern car is safer than a peugeot 407 in real life accicents. Since about 2000 the technology hasn't really improved with regards to car safety. Its just stupid electric intervension that drives the star ratings. distracting bull**** intruding on the drivers commands (Oh you looked away from the road .... flashing lights and sirens it is).

Honestly, I couldn't think of a much safer car than the poogoe she is driving, its not a stupid jacked up, tipsy thing, its not little (bigger is always better in an accident), its extremely strong, lots of air bags, massive, monstorous crash structure built into the nose of it.

but sure, your little chinese throw-away with its big flambe battery built to the cheapest possible price is safer as it has a camera that watches the driver

Originally Posted by Tins

That's a big IF, James. Here's another one. IF China's economy keeps going the way it is, BYD and the rest of them will cease getting subsidized by the CCCP, and they will no longer be affordable unless they start shipping us the crap they sell at home. Good luck with that, as nothing they sell domestically would pass inspection here, in Europe or the US.

Have you taken a Xpeng g6 or Geely 7x for a drive JT? I drove a CFA Toyota RAV4 750ish km on the weekend. Both the Chinese cars are in my opinion streets ahead or at the very least equal to the Toyota. One of the other CFA members in the car with me worked for Ford for 30 plus years including several settings up Ford in China. His comments on the outcome / output did not mention crap promise.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

See what I mean, stupidity. The car is now 18year old. I would be coming to the end of life for probably the 3rd battery (at $20,000++++ EACH). Just nuts. Cruising the country roads like she is with a group of friends. closer to 5.5 -> 6 L/100. Its a 2.0 turbo diesel with a 6spd manual gearbox. Waaaaayyyy cheaper than an electric flambe to run.

She will be able to travel around for the entire week and not even worry about re-fueling it .... No stupid chargers, no hours in carparks in the middle of nowhere hoping nothing happens to them. Everything about electric throw-away is so utterly ridiculous. I couldn't care how far you travel in a day. Couldn't give a merde if it was only 20 kms per day. Electric throw-aways are still utterly ridiculous.

Not only that, if she is charging from public chargers while away (or you don't have offstreet parking which is a LOT of places these days) it will cost more to fill with electricity than deisel (that will magically dissappear if its hot ... or cold ... or the wind blows ... or the heater needs to be used). Just nuts.

I quite like electric throw-aways, but just like any other car, I'm not blind to there huge, blinding... glaring faults.

Now your trying to say carrying an IED around with you (aka: a giant battery) makes it safer because its newer? I doubt any modern car is safer than a peugeot 407 in real life accicents. Since about 2000 the technology hasn't really improved with regards to car safety. Its just stupid electric intervension that drives the star ratings. distracting bull**** intruding on the drivers commands (Oh you looked away from the road .... flashing lights and sirens it is).

Honestly, I couldn't think of a much safer car than the poogoe she is driving, its not a stupid jacked up, tipsy thing, its not little (bigger is always better in an accident), its extremely strong, lots of air bags, massive, monstorous crash structure built into the nose of it.

but sure, your little chinese throw-away with its big flambe battery built to the cheapest possible price is safer as it has a camera that watches the driver

Lol

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

See what I mean, stupidity. The car is now 18year old. I would be coming to the end of life for probably the 3rd battery (at $20,000++++ EACH). Just nuts. Cruising the country roads like she is with a group of friends. closer to 5.5 -> 6 L/100. Its a 2.0 turbo diesel with a 6spd manual gearbox. Waaaaayyyy cheaper than an electric flambe to run.

She will be able to travel around for the entire week and not even worry about re-fueling it .... No stupid chargers, no hours in carparks in the middle of nowhere hoping nothing happens to them. Everything about electric throw-away is so utterly ridiculous. I couldn't care how far you travel in a day. Couldn't give a merde if it was only 20 kms per day. Electric throw-aways are still utterly ridiculous.

Not only that, if she is charging from public chargers while away (or you don't have offstreet parking which is a LOT of places these days) it will cost more to fill with electricity than deisel (that will magically dissappear if its hot ... or cold ... or the wind blows ... or the heater needs to be used). Just nuts.

I quite like electric throw-aways, but just like any other car, I'm not blind to there huge, blinding... glaring faults.

Now your trying to say carrying an IED around with you (aka: a giant battery) makes it safer because its newer? I doubt any modern car is safer than a peugeot 407 in real life accicents. Since about 2000 the technology hasn't really improved with regards to car safety. Its just stupid electric intervension that drives the star ratings. distracting bull**** intruding on the drivers commands (Oh you looked away from the road .... flashing lights and sirens it is).

Honestly, I couldn't think of a much safer car than the poogoe she is driving, its not a stupid jacked up, tipsy thing, its not little (bigger is always better in an accident), its extremely strong, lots of air bags, massive, monstorous crash structure built into the nose of it.

but sure, your little chinese throw-away with its big flambe battery built to the cheapest possible price is safer as it has a camera that watches the driver

I realised earlier could possibly have been a bit rude. So much FUD.

But you're really wrong about EV fires. Your ICE car is far far more likely to catch fire in a crash. Or anywhere. ICE fires are between 20 and 80 times more likely than EV's. By far the biggest risk to an EV owner in regards to crash fires is ICE cars involved in the collision catching fire.

What else in there was wrong.. A battery every 100k? Just wrong again. So wrong. Will a car need a new battery by 300k? Maybe but probably not. Data at the moment says battery replacement in LFP cars is rare. So rare it's almost unheard of. People with hundreds of thousands of k's on the battery and they are fine. People need to understand a car battery is not the same as the battery in your phone.

Safety? it's always improving but yes car makers had made big steps in the late 90's and early 2000's due to computer crash simulation. That's good if your family is in a later car. But.. none the less they are still incrementally improving. One of the biggest problems engineers face in regards to crash safety has been dealing with the engine/drivetrain. You're really wrong about that. Proper EV's are good in that regard as they have the battery low and well protected under the floor, with minimal components on the extremities to deal with. Motors are small and also sit low.

As to the driver aids.. I've only got one car with all that and it's not a problem in my car. But yes I've heard of over reactive driver aids being a problem in many modern cars. It's not an EV specific thing.

EDIT:I know you'll just say it's all lies or made up. If you think there is no logic that's going to change your opinion. Nothing I can do.