Thread: EV general discussion

I think its a far better outcome if more of us use locally made fuel rather than imported

You do realise that we export oil to be refined in Singapore or India .About 50% of our fuel use.
Had to go to Brisbane from the Central Coast on Thursday, a trip of 873Km. filled in 5 minutes at West Gosford, then topped at Coolongalook ( 17 l in 5 minutes)and got to Brisbane with over 1/4 tank so able to go to the funeral and to the wake in a different location before filling and refilling again at Coolongalook at 166.5 for diesel. I still have over 3/4 tank.
Now in an average EV that would mean 2 stops at 32-34C each way of about an hour each and considerable cost.
BTW the cost of insurance issue does not seem to be addressed. There was a test last week of a BYD ATTO2 (AFAIR CarSauce) where he bought the car and his insurance is $2500 per year! My Everest insurance is $870. This negates the cost of services for an ICE car.
Over time IF EVs get more popular then diesel should become cheaper as demand reduces if the Government does not increase taxation. how about road tax on EVs.
EVs get such a free ride yet advocates do not recognise that they are a privileged wealthy minority.
Regards PhilipA

The only things we make in Australia now is cappuccinos.

Talking about ridiculous ev steaming piles of merde ...

World'''s largest '''100 per cent electric''' ship launched by Tasmanian builder Incat - ABC News


Did you see this ridiculous lump of excrement has finally done some sea trials. Its so pathetically useless it will not be able to do the 100mile journey it was designed to do, rather it looks like a 30mile journey is its reasonable limit. The useless giant lump of merde probably can't even reliably go from melbourne to geelong. It will be one hell of a fire if it torches off while they pump millions of watts into the tons of batteries it has.

Haven't we done the ridiculous (insanely nuts) electric junk thing long enough now to know its just dangerous stupidity.... small batteries in small cars without the complexity seems to be its only happy place (and small electronic devices where you don't need cooling and heating systems to dissipate the heat).

If it can only do 30miles from a charge ... how in the hell will it do the 12,000km journey to its home port. That means it will need to recharge 250 times across the empty stretches of ocean ... that won't be a problem, we have a huge daisy chain of 100 million watt charging stations across all the shipping routes.

250 tons of batteries sure it going to make one hell of a bonfire when (not if) it torches off at some point.

Originally Posted by PhilipA

You do realise that we export oil to be refined in Singapore or India .About 50% of our fuel use.
Had to go to Brisbane from the Central Coast on Thursday, a trip of 873Km. filled in 5 minutes at West Gosford, then topped at Coolongalook ( 17 l in 5 minutes)and got to Brisbane with over 1/4 tank so able to go to the funeral and to the wake in a different location before filling and refilling again at Coolongalook at 166.5 for diesel. I still have over 3/4 tank.
Now in an average EV that would mean 2 stops at 32-34C each way of about an hour each and considerable cost.
BTW the cost of insurance issue does not seem to be addressed. There was a test last week of a BYD ATTO2 (AFAIR CarSauce) where he bought the car and his insurance is $2500 per year! My Everest insurance is $870. This negates the cost of services for an ICE car.
Over time IF EVs get more popular then diesel should become cheaper as demand reduces if the Government does not increase taxation. how about road tax on EVs.
EVs get such a free ride yet advocates do not recognise that they are a privileged wealthy minority.
Regards PhilipA

I'm not sure about your trip details. An average EV should only need 1 large charge and one half charge. I can't speak for other cars but that's about a 30 and a 10 minute charge. Pretty similar to you. you would get home and "fill up there". Given you leave with a "full tank" and then fill at home you're only paying full price for one and a bit solid charges outside the home. Say 100kwh. If you pay top rates that's about $65. Add another 15 for the home charges if you like. Some quick calculations that my defender would use about $187 for that trip.

Now settle down on the wealthy thing. Most EV's now are the same or less than people are spending on cars. I get that they used to be far more expensive. As more come onto the used market they will continue to become more accessible.

As to insurance, the T is costing $1250 with suncorp and our golf was just under 1600. The defender is over 2k with club 4x4. The insurance thing is so darn variable... Shannons did have the T but they put the price up so over to suncorp. Who were more expensive than Shannons the previous year.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I'm not sure about your trip details. An average EV should only need 1 large charge and one half charge. I can't speak for other cars but that's about a 30 and a 10 minute charge. Pretty similar to you. you would get home and "fill up there". Given you leave with a "full tank" and then fill at home you're only paying full price for one and a bit solid charges outside the home. Say 100kwh. If you pay top rates that's about $65. Add another 15 for the home charges if you like. Some quick calculations that my defender would use about $187 for that trip.

Now settle down on the wealthy thing. Most EV's now are the same or less than people are spending on cars. I get that they used to be far more expensive. As more come onto the used market they will continue to become more accessible.

As to insurance, the T is costing $1250 with suncorp and our golf was just under 1600. The defender is over 2k with club 4x4. The insurance thing is so darn variable... Shannons did have the T but they put the price up so over to suncorp. Who were more expensive than Shannons the previous year.

Gee's EVs are crap. The stress and worry about finding chargers .... waiting for bloody ever (you only hear the best possible case scenario here). Lets be realistic. I'll grab the ****ty old poogoe out of the shed. dump 60 litres of diesel in it ( 60 x 1.59 = $95.40). Now lets hit the roads ... Lets say 5L/100kms highway travel (likely closer to 4.5).

So 900kms ... that would be 45litres of diesel. we would arrive home with over 1/4 tank of fuel remain. No stressing about crappy expensive broken chargers ... waiting in queues... hoping we won't get mugged. We don't have to worry if there might be hills ... or wind ... or rain .... or its cold ... or its hot .... Man who would buy one of those electric crapboxes. What a nightmaire. So incredibly inferior in nearly every single way to a crappy old pooogoe.

seeya
Shane L.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Gee's EVs are crap. The stress and worry about finding chargers .... waiting for bloody ever (you only hear the best possible case scenario here). Lets be realistic. I'll grab the ****ty old poogoe out of the shed. dump 60 litres of diesel in it ( 60 x 1.59 = $95.40). Now lets hit the roads ... Lets say 5L/100kms highway travel (likely closer to 4.5).

So 900kms ... that would be 45litres of diesel. we would arrive home with over 1/4 tank of fuel remain. No stressing about crappy expensive broken chargers ... waiting in queues... hoping we won't get mugged. We don't have to worry if there might be hills ... or wind ... or rain .... or its cold ... or its hot .... Man who would buy one of those electric crapboxes. What a nightmaire. So incredibly inferior in nearly every single way to a crappy old pooogoe.

seeya
Shane L.

Totally depends on what you do with your car. If you are someone who does a lot of road trips in places where chargers are scarce then EV's might not be your best option. That's ok.

If you are someone who might do less frequent road trips, or trips where there are plenty of chargers then why not.

I've owned an EV for three years and only charged it outside the house once. In that time I've NEVER had to go to a petrol station. That's not something I'm unhappy about. That's substantial money and time savings just there. No more looking at those stupid ads on Petrospy and driving to get the cheap deal.

Just quietly I reckon most EV's are a lot more peppy highway cars than a little peugot diesel.

For people genuinely interested in how many chargers are around.

PlugShare - Find Electric Vehicle Charging Locations Near You

I'm not sure that everyone in here has quite got this worked out.

The road trip game with EV's is to leave home with 100% and get home with as little as you're comfortable with. That way you effectively get two free tanks. Probably not that big a deal for interstate trips for for shorter stuff it is.

There are many fast chargers around. Tesla say "our cars have 400+k range, and we have superchargers every 150k". So really just get on with it. When you do have to stop to charge it's really just a quick squirt.

I'm in here.. listening to people complaining about EV's not being able to do 900k on a tank.. or whatever. The thing is - most of my trips are quite short. I know it takes 10k to get the defender to even temperature let alone burn off the cold start gunk. I watch the following video.. and I'm like "Thank Waterfowl that's not my problem".

I'm totally happy that my EV saves me from this giant dissaster which I'm equally sure is happening to unsuspecting motorists all over our big cities. My colleage at work just had a mystery timing chain fail in his hyundai at like 55k or something like that. Watching this video I'm like.. uh huh.