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    The poms just added a bit, Japan is restarting. BCA here just added a goal/target that is admirable yet I feel almost impossible to do with out doing what the poms and others are going to do.

    LONDON (BLOOMBERG) - Britain will reserve a key role for nuclear power in the nation's electricity system as a backup for renewables in a plan to phase out natural gas by 2035.
    Fossil fuels will no longer be used to generate power by the middle of the next decade as Britain tackles the double threat of climate change and an energy supply crunch that has sent prices spiralling to record highs.
    The government says the plan is "a landmark move to end Britain's dependency on volatile fossil fuels".



    Screws are now on Australia really.
    Business Council of Australia calls for ambitious short-term carbon emissions reduction target

    While it might be hard, I wonder if this now urgent change might force rethinking our bans for local power generation? As much renewables as possible is fine with me. Enough power is required by all. Suspect some change will occur even here.

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    I do not want the nuclear power industry to even try to start their machinations here in Australia. Otherwise the public i.e. us will end up footing the bill. And it will be a big bill.

    Reactors are becoming a big liability. Insurance companies and investment companies will not touch them. Here is another one that bites the dust. Below is an extra from: The end of an era: TVA gives up construction permit for Bellefonte nuclear plant after 47 years. By Dave Flessner, Chattanooga Times Free Press, Tenn. September 17, 2021

    America's federally-owned electric utility, the Tennessee Valley Authority, has spent billions of dollars with nothing to show for it, reports the Chattanooga Times Free Press.

    "Nearly 47 years after construction began on the Bellefonte Nuclear Power Plant in Northeast Alabama, the Tennessee Valley Authority is giving up its construction permit for America's biggest unfinished nuclear plant and abandoning any plans to complete the twin-reactor facility..."

    Giving up the construction permit at Bellefonte signals the end of any new nuclear plant construction at TVA with only seven of the 17 nuclear reactors the utility once planned to build ever completed.... Since the 1970s, a total of 95 nuclear reactors proposed to be built by U.S. utilities have been canceled due to rising construction costs, slowing power demand and cheapening power alternatives.

    TVA spokesman Jim Hopson said in the past two decades, the growth in power demand in the Tennessee Valley has continued to slow as more energy efficiency measures have been adopted and the price of natural gas, solar power and additional hydroelectric generation has declined in competition with nuclear.
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    When forming an educated opinion on nuclear power , DON'T FORGET THE WASTE , Britain is leaching theirs into the North sea [ ask their neighbors ] What is the rest of the world doing with theirs ?
    What does Australia plan to do with ours ?
    When you look at the costing , look for the part where they have budgeted for the long term disposal of the waste & included it in the financial & environmental cost .

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    I like new-clear power, well, once it becomes nuclear fusion anyway.

    I also like solar and wind and wave and and hydro and other forms of power generation that minimise emissions.

    I am in favour of a highly regulated as safe as humanly possible nuclear industry in the world so we can keep learning and perfecting, we may need to live on a small cold rock one day in the future as explorers powered by microwave or refrigerator sized power plants.

    And heaven forbid we get hit by an asteroid darkening our skies for months in a time when we may have gone nuts on solar generation and other weather events destroying wind turbines.

    We live in a world where 'once in a hundred year' events (as the pollies like to say to excuse lack of preparedness) have happened multiple times in a few decades. Bushfires, Floods, Storms etc destroying infrastructure.

    Don't know how nuclear power plants fare in earthquakes but I am not advocating building more anyway, just suggesting that research needs to go on , not just for medicine but for power generation and the best way to learn is to build and evaluate. Computer modelling is only based on real world results, which then has to be tested and remodelled with extra data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dero View Post
    When forming an educated opinion on nuclear power , DON'T FORGET THE WASTE , Britain is leaching theirs into the North sea [ ask their neighbors ] What is the rest of the world doing with theirs ?
    What does Australia plan to do with ours ?
    When you look at the costing , look for the part where they have budgeted for the long term disposal of the waste & included it in the financial & environmental cost .

    Fully agree a storage a reprocessing for N waste is needed. The Lucas Heights ANSTO Nuclear reactor in your back yard making the stuff we use for Xrays and medical I think I have added before doing Nuclear war training in the 80s was not inspiring any support for nuclear weapons which is an entirely different issue in my view. The anti nuclear power crew NIMBY's have used nuclear medicines like almost all of us during medical treatment and radiology. We all benefit from this amazing science

    Sydney has been Nuclear since 1958 The High Flux Australian Reactor (HIFAR) has gone now and a newer Open-pool Australian lightwater reactor (OPAL).

    If you have a fire alarm in your house your in the nuclear age as well

    The Best to date in Nuclear waste storage is possibly Onkalo, on the Finnish island of Olkiluoto, planned to be the first geologic storage facility for high-level nuclear waste: eventually sealed for 100,000 years.

    I think we will have a much smart option to use n-waste well before 100,000 years



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    As much as i hate saying it, i think the time for nuclear power reactors has past.

    Not from a safety perspective but from a cost & waste storage perspective.

    The reason the Fukushima plant melted down was as simple as fuel supply to pump water to cool rods was broken during emergency.

    Why you would locate your fuel source so far away form a generator astounds me - i would have thought better minds would have thought of this and engineered it out.

    The cost of a new plant is the other major item - you could just about give every household generous size solar power & batteries for the same sort of cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck View Post
    As much as i hate saying it, i think the time for nuclear power reactors has past.

    Not from a safety perspective but from a cost & waste storage perspective.

    The reason the Fukushima plant melted down was as simple as fuel supply to pump water to cool rods was broken during emergency.

    Why you would locate your fuel source so far away form a generator astounds me - i would have thought better minds would have thought of this and engineered it out.

    The cost of a new plant is the other major item - you could just about give every household generous size solar power & batteries for the same sort of cost.
    France and 10 EU country's labeling N energy as Green

    A group of ten EU countries, led by France, have asked the European Commission to recognise nuclear power as a low-carbon energy source that should be part of the bloc's decades-long transition towards climate neutrality.
    The letter, which was initiated by France, has been sent to the Commission with the signature of nine other EU countries, most of which already count nuclear as part of their national energy mix: Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Finland, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia and Romania.
    Nuclear plants generate over 26% of the electricity produced in the European Union.
    "The rise of energy prices have also shown how important is it to reduce our energy dependence on third countries as fast as possible," says the letter, as seen by Euronews.



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    Overnight France added 30 billion+++ investment for NEW nuclear not to remove it. Germany who has reduced from 25% nuclear to about 10% is being forced to returning by simple economics.

    You simply cannot remove 26% of the electricity and remove the other "35% of the EU's" very dirty coal and gas can you?

    Wind, Solar, Hydro, geothermal .... are all fanatic yet no feasibility of the EU replacing 50% of its current power (N, Coal and gas). The easy sites for all the Wind, Solar, Hydro, geothermal and other are already taken.

    We will all be very happy with a future technological development enabling perpetual motion. Until then we need real options that don't emit C02. I think hydrogen is a rockstar. It takes energy to produce, store and move.

    The size and scale of the really dirty power to be replaced is not a few thousand solar panels or wind generators.

    Have to add as the EU trades power Germany already buys N power and will be help pay for the New French one or will they do a GermExit

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    Regardless of the contested points about nuclear power generation in Australia , it will never happen.

    We can't even decide on the manufacture of a fleet of submarines.....no Ethyl , we have cancelled the order for French submarines which were designed to be nuclear powered and formed alliance with a couple of other english speaking countries to perhaps build what the French could have supplied anyway....but no one knows the options except they will maybe be nuclear powered.

    That's not the reason it won't happen though.

    The reason is establishing the cost....establishing the location .....establishing the necessary labour force.....establishing the ongoing technology required.....passifying a severely doubting nation.....the list goes on.

    Traditionally , based on worlwide existing nuclear plants construction times , our country would have gone through possibly anything from 6-10 changes of government with the same style of dishonest , untrustworthy politicians , before the plant would even be commissioned.

    what hope do we as a nation have?....In reality....none.

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    Not betting your wrong here Tote. We do have space for wind, solar and other options. Germany and similar have no such luxury. I do think Australia will as well honestly just not betting on it.
    It is a good day to be a uranium miner regardless

    A economist or the London Economist I like listening to discussed green house gas elimination impact of German heavy industry. It seems a wipe out if a better option was not found. Russian gas has been the key for 30 plus years for the EU. The billions spent on the pipe line completed in 2011 is still a mind numbing number. Its is over 1000km long. I wonder if it can be used for hydrogen???

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