Sydney-Melbourne in an EV is possible.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

EVs can be charged from any power point, but higher capacity chargers costing about $2000 make it happen faster.
The EV batteries can be wired to become part of the house power system. Batteries are charged during the day and run the house at night. About 6-7 kW of solar panels and a similar battery capacity is all a typical house needs.
A lot of solar can be packed onto project roofs. Our son's new 6.5 kW of solar panels which are wired to run his newly renovated house first and export the surplus to the grid are already earning him $5 a day in power credits, so as long as they use less than $5 a day in power, they are in credit. And his panels don't take up a lot of space - they would fit on a townhouse roof.
If not enough on- site power is generated, apartment projects can actually sign deals with solar and wind generation companies to buy their power from a remote farm. Some businesses already do this.
Why don't you stop raising false objections and just realise this is the way we're going and it's not a future thing, it's already here?

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While you know I’m pro EV, but it won’t be here in any numbers until the financials stack up. Until EV’s are half the price and solar/battery systems are half the price, they won’t stack up for most people. Solar and battery prices continue to plummet and I think in 10 years or so we’ll be there price wise. EV’s too will plummet in price in the coming years but again, many years away. To me, 10 years plus is still the future, not sure about what you consider that to be. We aren’t anywhere close yet, and there are still massive Engineering and Infrastructure issues to overcome, but we’re getting there.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

mick on the other hand is still in dream land.

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I don't think so,it may eventually happen,but its at least 20yrs away.

With over 99.99% of vehicles on the road ICE's,not much is going to happen in the short term,say 10yrs.

The amount of infrastructure to charge even a small percentage of EV's on the road is huge.

Its just not going to happen overnight.

And as for incentives to own or use EV's,i can't see that happening.

The Govt is broke,so they say,and they will get stung at both ends,with the loss of fuel excise being a major issue.

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Originally Posted by scarry

I don't think so,it may eventually happen,but its at least 20yrs away.

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yes, the dream is that it will happen in less than 10.

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Next weekend I will be driving up there towing a Maserati and not stopping except for refuelling for 15 mins a couple times.... Can't ever see them doing that

It's not dream land, it's already happening, but stay in denial if that floats your boat.
I've already had my supplier estimate, but for unrelated reasons it's delayed, as prices fall.
The son already has his solar earning him $5 a day, so that's present reality.
Hybrids, which don't have range anxiety, will be the interim as lithium battery prices fall and mass production lowers costs. Have a look at how many Corolla hybrids, costing about $32,000, are already in the traffic.
But hey, if some people want to deny reality, that's their loss.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

It's not dream land, it's already happening, but stay in denial if that floats your boat.
I've already had my supplier estimate, but for unrelated reasons it's delayed, as prices fall.
The son already has his solar earning him $5 a day, so that's present reality.
Hybrids, which don't have range anxiety, will be the interim as lithium battery prices fall and mass production lowers costs. Have a look at how many Corolla hybrids, costing about $32,000, are already in the traffic.
But hey, if some people want to deny reality, that's their loss.

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How are you arriving at $5.00 figure Mick? I’m intrigued...
6.5kw systems will usually pump 40kwh on a very good day...
A house on average will be drawing 7-10kwh a day.

Edit: You use the term “power credits”, I’m figuring you’re using that as a measure of kWh produced vs kWh consumed?


But it don’t think you’ll see the pace of expansion you’re thinking - massive amount of rentals out there, and huge number of dwellings not suited to solar fit out.

The technology hasn’t been developed to get more energy under control yet - so pure EVs won’t dominate until energy density can be doubled/tripled...

It will come,and I like the EVs. Tesla are a hoot to pilot. I’ll likely have either a Rivian or Tesla soon. More for interest than practicality.

You know what though - none of this is going to reduce global emissions even 1%.

Why am I claiming this? Because we aren’t stopping the rampant expansion of consumerism or the exponential population growth across this rock.

I put this up for thought - the very things known as human rights & freedom of choice -will be the very things that finally end the human races dominance of this planet. I’m not promoting any other solution or ideology. Just pointing out the obvious.


The current amusement for me - having a good friend currently establishing a Brownfields Lithium site, and another in Mozambique processing graphite - is the amount of current resources consumed to extract this wonderful power source.

Each loader is chewing 1,200l a day.
Excavators are even higher again.

It will be a brave new world - and I’ll challenge that the freedoms we have now won’t fit the model - they simply can not.

The house was empty for two weeks after the solar was installed, before they moved back in, so nothing was turned on to draw power. The solar sends surplus power to the grid, earning 20 cents rebate. They were gaining about $5 a day in credits.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

It's not dream land, it's already happening, but stay in denial if that floats your boat.
I've already had my supplier estimate, but for unrelated reasons it's delayed, as prices fall.
The son already has his solar earning him $5 a day, so that's present reality.
Hybrids, which don't have range anxiety, will be the interim as lithium battery prices fall and mass production lowers costs. Have a look at how many Corolla hybrids, costing about $32,000, are already in the traffic.
But hey, if some people want to deny reality, that's their loss.

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Yes it's happening, I don't think anyone is denying that but most here are saying it's a 10 to 20 year deal. All things happen slowly to start with, saying that it's all here right now isn't correct as you have to have people actually buying the stuff in decent numbers but most won't jump yet until things are MUCH cheaper, even if they can afford it.

And remember - if everyone had Solar on their houses tomorrow no one would make a cent from them as the local grid would be saturated and no power would go anywhere. As more and more people put solar on they'll have to go with batteries too to make it viable long term - again, more money.

Totally agree.
As I said earlier there is a plan, just not a very good plan yet.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Yes it's happening, I don't think anyone is denying that but most here are saying it's a 10 to 20 year deal. All things happen slowly to start with, saying that it's all here right now isn't correct as you have to have people actually buying the stuff in decent numbers but most won't jump yet until things are MUCH cheaper, even if they can afford it.

And remember - if everyone had Solar on their houses tomorrow no one would make a cent from them as the local grid would be saturated and no power would go anywhere. As more and more people put solar on they'll have to go with batteries too to make it viable long term - again, more money.

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If the houses are wired to run off their own solar first and only send the excess to the grid, then the grid should not be saturated.
If there are batteries to run the house at night, then there should be very little effect on the grid.
As 30% of houses already have solar and installations are speeding up, I can't see why it would take 10-20 years. I reckon we will easily pass 50% within 5 years and solar will become normal, with those that don't have solar being left behind. Buyers will demand solar in their houses. It is already a sales point.