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    Quote Originally Posted by Phideaux View Post
    Despite the eye-watering cost of EVs initially, even at their current over-pricing they already break even at 10 years just on maintenance costs (firstly) and running costs (secondly). And there has been startling improvement in solar panels. The over-the-counter (and cheaper) panels one can get now are many percentage points more efficient that the predictions of 'theoretical(!) recovery of solar>to>electricity' of a few decades ago. I bought my household solar panels on the basis of 'full cost recovery in 10 years'. I'll have full cost recovery in 7 years. At today's prices, this would be 5 years.

    EVs have very few moving parts (comparatively). That's their biggest advantage on dollar-only analysis.

    Incidentally, Hyundai's ICONIQ 5 will accept something like 800kwh charging (very complex, computer guided) and go from 20% to 80% in just over 15 minutes.

    Bearing in mind that a 1902 6.3 litre Fiat produced 32hp and a 2021 2.0 litre Mercedes can produce 450hp, progress in this (EV/Battery) area over the next decades is a pretty safe bet.

    I also can easily envisage some farms having 'windmill to hydrogen ICE' on-site set-ups making economic sense in the foreseeable future.

    The NSW State government is awake on this renewables issue; the current Feds are trying to tell us that 'non-renewable gas is green' (what??).
    Pity their design life isn't that long to see the benefits.


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    I take your point and/but...

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    Pity their design life isn't that long to see the benefits.
    Homestar,
    I take your point re 'design life'; and it's one of the reasons that Land Rover (or other genuine off-roader) is a better buy.
    What 'the b******s' have done is used computer simulation to produce a just-outside-of-warranty life for parts; whereas cars built by the same maker before the availability of this kind of non-field testing used 'well, we'd better give it some robustness and redundancy'.

    So our good (new?) Land Rovers are actually built with an expectation of some harsh use and remote location use - hopefully this means we don't get let down in the outback or the driveway quite so early.

    Apparently BMW's Mini is one of the (worst) for tick-tock up to the minute of warranty expiry.

    Meanwhile - and re my earlier post re technological change - stumbled across this with my morning news-feed:

    ‘Lightbulb moment’: the battery technology invented in a Brisbane garage that is going global | Brisbane | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phideaux View Post
    Homestar,
    I take your point re 'design life'; and it's one of the reasons that Land Rover (or other genuine off-roader) is a better buy.
    What 'the b******s' have done is used computer simulation to produce a just-outside-of-warranty life for parts; whereas cars built by the same maker before the availability of this kind of non-field testing used 'well, we'd better give it some robustness and redundancy'.

    So our good (new?) Land Rovers are actually built with an expectation of some harsh use and remote location use - hopefully this means we don't get let down in the outback or the driveway quite so early.

    Apparently BMW's Mini is one of the (worst) for tick-tock up to the minute of warranty expiry.

    Meanwhile - and re my earlier post re technological change - stumbled across this with my morning news-feed:

    ‘Lightbulb moment’: the battery technology invented in a Brisbane garage that is going global | Brisbane | The Guardian
    Yeah, but who can afford a new Land Rover? I sure can’t and most can’t either.

    Well that’s not exactly true - I could actually get a loan easily to cover one but there’s no way I’d spend that sort of money on any vehicle.

    Most I’ve even spent on a car is around $40K a couple of times. If I needed to buy a car now if I didn’t have a company car my pick would be a late 90’s to early 2000’s Camry as these will still be going when a current model Land Rover is dead and buried.


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    Cold comforts...

    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    Yeah, but who can afford a new Land Rover? I sure can’t and most can’t either.

    Well that’s not exactly true - I could actually get a loan easily to cover one but there’s no way I’d spend that sort of money on any vehicle.

    Most I’ve even spent on a car is around $40K a couple of times. If I needed to buy a car now if I didn’t have a company car my pick would be a late 90’s to early 2000’s Camry as these will still be going when a current model Land Rover is dead and buried.
    (Noting your eclectic collection) (PS, one-time owner of a 1972 XJ6)
    Well, I suppose we just have to draw comfort from the fact that the trendoids do buy them new (and never take them off-road) and thereby supply we-the-impoverished with affordable and hardy off-road-capable vehicles.
    I've heard that most Range Rovers aren't taken off-road until their 3rd or 4th owner.
    ((Leave it at that?))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phideaux View Post
    Homestar,
    I take your point re 'design life'; and it's one of the reasons that Land Rover (or other genuine off-roader) is a better buy.
    What 'the b******s' have done is used computer simulation to produce a just-outside-of-warranty life for parts; whereas cars built by the same maker before the availability of this kind of non-field testing used 'well, we'd better give it some robustness and redundancy'.

    So our good (new?) Land Rovers are actually built with an expectation of some harsh use and remote location use - hopefully this means we don't get let down in the outback or the driveway quite so early.

    Apparently BMW's Mini is one of the (worst) for tick-tock up to the minute of warranty expiry.

    Meanwhile - and re my earlier post re technological change - stumbled across this with my morning news-feed:

    ‘Lightbulb moment’: the battery technology invented in a Brisbane garage that is going global | Brisbane | The Guardian

    Good on the start up mob... Rolled my eyes when the "flying cars" crap came up in the article though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phideaux View Post
    (Noting your eclectic collection) (PS, one-time owner of a 1972 XJ6)
    Well, I suppose we just have to draw comfort from the fact that the trendoids do buy them new (and never take them off-road) and thereby supply we-the-impoverished with affordable and hardy off-road-capable vehicles.
    I've heard that most Range Rovers aren't taken off-road until their 3rd or 4th owner.
    ((Leave it at that?))
    All my cars together if I sold them wouldn’t buy me half a new Range Rover… EU Green Deal - New ICE cars banned by 2035

    Not sure how many new Range Rovers will still be on the road in 45 years time either. EU Green Deal - New ICE cars banned by 2035


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    Gentle musings...

    Quote Originally Posted by Homestar View Post
    All my cars together if I sold them wouldn’t buy me half a new Range Rover… EU Green Deal - New ICE cars banned by 2035

    Not sure how many new Range Rovers will still be on the road in 45 years time either. EU Green Deal - New ICE cars banned by 2035
    (Sorry - my word-picture sense of humour: would half a Range Rover be a motorbike called a Ra-Ro?)

    45 years time - dunno about RRs on the road (or off it) but I sure won't be! And not sure if my grandchildren - in their late fifties by then - will even be interested in off-road expeditions. They're (seriously) into drones.

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