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    Green washing- Cost- reality and alternative energy

    Reading "Japan reverses nuclear energy phase-out policy amid global fuel shortages, climate change" got me onto Green washing by omission or just unscientific based claims.

    I think/hope a thread "Green washing- Cost- reality and alternative energy" to keep it together might be of interest to several people

    "Takeo Kikkawa, an economics professor at the International University of Japan and an expert on energy, said utility operators under the new policy could keep using old equipment instead of investing in new technology or renewables.He also said prolonging the operational life of old reactors is unsafe."


    Economics is A social science not an exact science. All economic and most people know Return on Investment (ROI) over 10 years is not as good as ROI over 40, 50 or longer. It is clear that most of the Nuclear plants running today can safely do. Testing and maintenance is required of course. There is experts then there are other experts of course in economics

    ROI, replacement cost and wasted issues on 10 year or so life of most other C02 free power types is clearly not highlighted by the same journalists!


    Over engineering of many aspects of several energy systems is required for normal safety and operations. The life span of equipment is proven to be extended well into decades by many people on this Forum "maintenance is required of course" Some of my warships operated in Vietnam and continued to operated well into the 1990s. I played with a few BIG ship built before WW2
    while on those.

    On my high horse about economics again Green washing is at times simply untrue but reported widely. I am not anti wind, solar or any 'safe' C02 free option.

    The alternate view such as "Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda who the Wall Street Journal reports is still on the fence about going all-in on EVs. While most automakers have been laying out their future EV plans, Toyota has seemed to remain committed to hybrids and hydrogen. Toyoda says that EVs shouldn’t be the only path forward. Hybrids and hydrogen, he believes, are great alternatives, especially as EV prices remain high — something Toyota pointed out. Toyoda says that he has tried to convince both industry and government officials of this and described the efforts as tiring."

    Mr Toyoda is not alone "Executives at both Nissan and Mazda have voiced scepticism on whether or not jumping all-in on EVs was too rushed or the right answer. Nissan CEO Makoto Uchida admitted the company may have been too aggressive with the first gen of the Leaf; Mazda has taken a more blatant and sceptical stance regarding EVs"

    I like EV clearly so may be accused of Green washing perhaps. In my defense have never suggested the current EV types are perfect!

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    Blind Freddy can see Toyota read the new auto market better than any other vehicle manufacturer.

    Love them or hate them, for whatever reason,they sold something like 8M vehicles last year,daylight to the next at around 5 Mill.

    Once the big ones,VW,Ford,GM,Toyota,etc get into Ev's,if they ever do,Tesla will probably end up a minor player in the market.

    The big manufacturers have huge advantages over the smaller players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scarry View Post
    Blind Freddy can see Toyota read the new auto market better than any other vehicle manufacturer.

    Love them or hate them, for whatever reason,they sold something like 8M vehicles last year,daylight to the next at around 5 Mill.

    Once the big ones,VW,Ford,GM,Toyota,etc get into Ev's,if they ever do,Tesla will probably end up a minor player in the market.

    The big manufacturers have huge advantages over the smaller players.
    Fully agree

    "Tesla’s new vulnerability is a surprising development. At its towering peak, last fall, Musk’s car company hit a stock market valuation of more than a trillion dollars, greater than the combined value of the five largest automakers in the world. Tesla looked unstoppable. While rival manufacturers suffered punishing supply shortages that held back sales through much of 2021, Tesla’s once-mocked investments in building its own software and components allowed it to ride out supply-chain kinks, resulting in record sales.

    Then, inexplicably, Musk turned to Twitter and pushed Tesla off a cliff."

    The valuation given to Tesla was nuts! Opinion | Elon Musk’s Twitter Antics Are Hurting Tesla’s Brand - The New York Times

    Chevy Bolt and others are undercutting the cheap Tesla by 10,000 or a lot more in the US.

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    "Rewired"

    "Rewired"

    The article green washed a bit!

    Energy boss warns higher bills are here to stay

    Mr Opedal said it was doubtful that gas and electricity bills would return to a time when the typical UK household was paying around £1,300 a year. The typical annual bill for homes is currently around £2,500 which includes help from the UK government.

    Mr Opedal said there is "a kind of re-wiring of the whole energy system in Europe particularly after the gas from Russia was taken away". He said huge investment in renewables was needed, including using more hydrogen for example.

    "Energy boss warns higher bills are here to stay - BBC News"


    we maximise gas production in British waters and accelerate nuclear and renewables. ... CEO Anders Opedal, they discussed Scotland's ambitions in energy .
    ." The non green washed included the required nuclear power blind freddy can see is needed.

    Mr Musk new world record for losing money was not a CV highlight

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    Mr Gorman was Solar power++++ in Canada.

    What is cool about this is it has actual numbers 42mw to 80+ by 2040 in one state is a number to cover Industry and every thing. His view that too much at some times only tosses every thing out of balance is my thoughts as well.

    Happily as much excess wind and solar... may be able to be stored via Hydrogen soon As much as some want impossible Nuclear Free. It is also essential for Cancer treatment and other Medical/industrial uses. AND the C02 free energy needed now and in the future.


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    John Gorman, President and CEO of the Canadian Nuclear Association, joins Marc Bianchi to discuss Canada’s outlook for nuclear power including significant life extension programs for existing reactors and efforts to support the deployment of Small Modular Reactor (SMR) designs.


    For Disclosures, click here bit.ly/3cPHkNW



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    Battery Mega factories- Britishvolt - Sunpower Solar to Singapore

    Tricks with "If they build it they will come"?
    @Narangga nice post in EV reminded me of the Battery MEGA factory plan in the UK and a 4200km sub-sea cable from Australia to Singapore

    "UK backs EV battery gigafactory to be built on site of former coal plant" was 2022 news. 2023 failure and bankrupt.

    6.3 billion of UK taxpayer mostly money and egg on a lot of faces.

    Even a Little Aussie in this now with "London | Geelong-based battery start-up Recharge Industries has lobbed an 11th-hour bid for failed UK battery maker Britishvolt, which collapsed in spectacular and public fashion earlier this month.

    If successful, Recharge would take over Britishvolt’s unbuilt £3.8 billion ($6.7 billion) battery gigafactory in northern England, "


    Battery Mega factories are being built. Their life span is dependent on four critical things. The right technology, The right prices (secure supply chains for Inputs, energy and wage costs), Secure customers and the highly volatile technology changes which may make current redundant very quickly.

    Back to our own little HYPED up fail. AAPowerLink was developed by the Singaporean firm Sun Cable, part owned by Andrew Forrest and Mike Cannon-Brookes. The hype around the very very ambitious plan was clear. AFR- "Singapore is very serious about importing renewable electricity. But the city-state has invested little in Sun Cable’s audacious plan to supply solar power via a 4200km sub-sea cable from Darwin."

    My own Solar, Hydrogen or Nuclear hype is possibly in this mix. There will be successes and failures in my mix. Mergers as well

    NOT investment advice- Possibly added to temper my own enthusiasm for some sectors I do invest in

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    Wild Horse Heritage Management Plan,

    "The current control methods include passive trapping, aerial and ground mustering and rehoming when possible." and resulted in a "Brumby population in Kosciuszko National Park up 30 per cent"

    I love horses- management is needed as its well know what happens when its dry up there!

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    Makes Germany look very silly I think. Spain with $$$$$$$$$$$ from Hydrogen projects is self interest perhaps




    France in new row with Germany and Spain over nuclear-derived hydrogen

    France in new row with Germany and Spain over nuclear-derived hydrogen | Reuters
    I wonder how this will go down in the EU parliament who has already added Nuclear Power to green taxonomy

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    Carbon Credits and Carbon off sets

    Carbon Credits and Carbon off sets - Its fine if true. Its a scam if not.

    Get paid to not cut down trees in return for Carbon Credits and Carbon off sets while doing that get paid for cutting them down! Sounds like a huge scam here! The question is who pays and who has the cash in their pockets now!



    Carbon credit schemes in Papua New Guinea raise fears of unfulfilled promises and ineffective projects - ABC News

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    Australia must transcend the hype over hydrogen and narrow its use down to practical industrial options, a leading business group says.
    Employer association Ai Group's chief executive Innes Willox will tell a summit the energy source "is not the be-all and end-all, but it can still be a very big deal".
    "We should establish near-zero emissions production capacity for aluminium, ammonia and steel with output equivalent to at least half of Australia's current primary production of those products," he will say at the event in Brisbane on Thursday.
    That requires large-scale, near-zero emissions hydrogen production capacity of roughly 300,000 tonnes per year, according to Mr Willox, which would require at least six gigawatts of renewable generation to make.
    "Large policy signals" equivalent to tens of billions of dollars in incentives would be needed to promote investment to decarbonise local industry and build new export partnerships, he will say.
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    I agree with Mr Willcox on most bits. Six plus gigawatts of power is required to keep you lights on which is far better ROI then the seven time more power intensive hydrogen Electrolysis is over Hazer Hydrogen Pyrolysis.

    "Eraring Power Station is a coal -fired power station consisting of four 720 MW Toshiba steam -driven turbo- alternators for a combined capacity of 2,880 MW. The station is located near the township of Dora Creek, on the western shore of Lake Macquarie, New South Wales, Australia and is owned and operated by Origin Energy." Billions on NSW money about to keep that one open past its use by date due to power needed!

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