Identification help

[TJWA]

A local retired gentleman has approached me today asking if I know the whereabouts of a S2A LWB chassis that he can use to extend and move the rear axle back on his current 2A ute. He wants to cut the back off of his current ute, cut the back off another chassis (closer to the front) then weld the longer rear to his existing ute to extend the length of the wheelbase.

After going to view his ute I had a pleasant surprise, the chassis appears to be military based!?!? He purchased this from a minesite, maybe it was a special order? The chassis is the type that is welded on the corners, not a seam in the middle. I've looked it up on CalVIN and it's definately a 2A. If this is something special I think it would be a sacrilidge to cut it up. He says he would be happy with a 130 if he could get one instead.

[d@rk51d3]

What is the complete chassis number?

The ones you show from Calvin don't match anything in REMLR, when I reassemble them.

Actually, the 6 cyl reference kind of knocks it out of the army ranks too.

[TJWA]

Thanks for the reply, the complete number is 34707237G. It is a utility with a different rear crossmember which looks original?, I should have taken a photo of the rear.

It's not a one tonner is it?

[BigJon]

I have a Series III in Alice Springs that has already been extended to about 140 inches... Interested?

[d@rk51d3]

Thanks for the reply, the complete number is 34707237G. It is a utility with a different rear crossmember which looks original?, I should have taken a photo of the rear.

It's not a one tonner is it?

Not an army number.............. but my guess would be a one tonner too.

[TJWA]

I have a Series III in Alice Springs that has already been extended to about 140 inches... Interested?

If you PM me some photos and what you're after I'll hand it to him, he's computer inept!

[TJWA]

From what I've read I believe it is a one tonner! Amazing, I thought there was only a few imported to Australia, they must have been a special order by the minesite. I'm off to take some more photos...

[JDNSW]

Good. If possible get photos of the gearbox/transfer case and front and rear axles/diffs.

John

[TJWA]

OK, I have some more information.

The original rear diff blew, he replaced it with a Salisbury.

The gearbox wasn't quite right, he replaced it and the transfercase with a S3 box and transfercase.

He replaced the engine with a Holden 186. Why, I'm not sure.

He didn't like the old front grille, so he replaced it with a Series 3 plastic one to give it a more modern look.

The rear tray was originally wood with steel sides, he replaced that with an aluminium tray.

Like the Ex Military I bought locally, he has used it for years as a "wood truck". He wants to cut the rear of the chassis off and make it longer to cart more wood.

[bobslandies]

Can you doublecheck the numbers.

As there is a Pressed metal Corp plate in the glovebox next to the vehicle ID plate that certainly denotes some of it was assembled in Sydney. If it had a wooden tray that is typical PMC although concurrently aluminium trays were availabe.

So some of it is a Military specification 2A chassis and some is a cream civilian firewall. The chassis number is on the rear passenger's side spring hanger. The number you have quoted is about the end of 1969 - early 1970.

I did see one One-Ton at a LROC Sydney meeting in the early 1970s. It had been driven overland by some Land Rover employees. Other than that none were imported for sale. The vehicle was later sold in Melbourne and its present wherabouts are unknown to me. It had 9.00x16 tyres, all the One Ton stuff - front and rear ENV differentials, from memory a special prototype (I think Series 3 but don't hold me to it) gearbox, rear drive and a powered trailer!

Bob

[TJWA]

We've been unable to find the chassis number in that position, is there anyway else it could be?

The owner assures me the mine he worked for bought it as new from Land Rover and kept everything on it original.

It was only once he bought it from the mine that he replaced the diff, gearbox, transfer case and motor over the years. I'm trying to get him to find the original stuff he replaced, he claims he still has most of it lying around (farm).

If the chassis has never been modified and that's how it originally came with the vehicle it must have been a special order the mine made to Land Rover. If we can just find the number on the chassis itself we will know more.

222xxxxxx - 229xxxxxx: Series IIA 109 inch petrol One Tonne 6 cylinder
231xxxxxx - 235xxxxxx: Series IIA 109 inch petrol One Tonne
246xxxxxx - 250xxxxxx: Series IIA 109 inch petrol One Tonne
266xxxxxx - 270xxxxxx: Series IIA 109 inch petrol One Tonne 6 cylinder
LBDAHxxxxxxxxx: Series III 109 inch petrol One Tonne
LBDAPxxxxxxxxx: Series III 109 inch petrol 6 cylinder One Tonne

Maybe here "88 & 109 models: The chassis number can be found on the bulkhead inside the vehicle and on the right hand front spring hanger."

[Lotz-A-Landies]

UK Assembled vehicles have the chassis number on the RHS front spring hanger.

An Australian assembled CKD should have it's chassis number stamped on the LHS rear spring shackle chassis bracket. About where your photo shows.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/series-2-2a/23244d1268016521-identification-help-08032010672.jpg

I have a South African build SIIB forward control where the chassis number is stamped on the LHS front spring hanger bracket.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/717.jpg

The rear cross member does not look correct. It seems to be rolled hollow section at the end, to me this looks to be a repair and the PTO hole looks to be an SIIa military one. The cross member is too short and has no body tabs or evidence of their ever being there from what we can see in the images. The saddle holding the rear of the tray is non original. 1 Ton models have a standard civilian rear cross member.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/series-2-2a/23261d1268031279-identification-help-rear.jpg

1 Ton models only had the one position for the spring shackle pins and the prototype had a Scottorn-Bushmaster powered trailer so there are insufficient mounting holes around the PTO hole, so it is unlikely that this vehicle is the missing 1 ton prototype.

Can you explain where you acquired these chassis number prefixes?

222xxxxxx IIa Export RHD 6 cyl 1 Ton 1970-71MY - 229xxxxxx: IIa Home RHD 1970-71MYSeries IIA 109 inch petrol One Tonne 6 cylinder
231xxxxxx IIa Home RHD 4cyl pet 1 Ton 1970-71MY - 235xxxxxx: IIa LHD Export CKD 4 cyl pet 1 Ton 1970-71MY Series IIA 109 inch petrol One Tonne
246xxxxxx IIa Home RHD 4cyl pet 1 Ton 1969-70MY - 250xxxxxx: LHD CKD 4 cyl pet 1 Ton 1969-70MYSeries IIA 109 inch petrol One Tonne
266xxxxxx SIII Home market RHD 6 cyl 1 Ton - 270xxxxxx: SIII Export CKD LHD 6 cyl petrol 1 Ton Series IIA 109 inch petrol One Tonne 6 cylinder
LBDAHxxxxxxxxx: Series III 109 inch petrol One Tonne
LBDAPxxxxxxxxx: Series III 109 inch petrol 6 cylinder One Tonne

The numbers in the 1972 IIa parts catalogue only list the following prefixes for the IIa 1 Ton:
(all with the "G" suffix - wide headlamps)
........................... 4 cyl Petrol.....6 cyl petrol
Home Market RHD -- 231*****G - - 229*****G
Export Market RHD - 232*****G - - 222*****G
Export CKD RHD - - 233*****G - - 224*****G
Export Market LHD - 234*****G - - 223*****G
Export CKD LHD - -- 235*****G - - 225*****G

Diana

[TJWA]

Thanks a heap for the info.

It looks as though this definately isn't a One Ton model, just a standard 109 6 Cylinder that somehow came with a Military type chassis. If there was a chance it was a One Ton the guy was not going to chop it, but now he will proceed as soon as we find a S2A LWB chassis in WA.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thanks a heap for the info.

It looks as though this definately isn't a One Ton model, just a standard 109 6 Cylinder that somehow came with a Military type chassis. If there was a chance it was a One Ton the guy was not going to chop it, but now he will proceed.There were numerous civilian SIII which were ordered and delivered with the raised suspension mounts so I don't doubt that one could be ordered in the SIIa era. Just I have never seen one.

Have you ever seen the way that JRA "factory" extended the 110 chassis to make the 120" wheelbase models? It is merely a straight cut through the chassis rails behind the gearbox mounts and before the suspension brackets and then four angle iron extension pieces welded back onto each rail.

You could do a better job yourself by cutting, extending and plating using regular engineering practices. Personally I have considered entending a SIIb chassis using thin wall "C" section or "RHS" (puddle welded) inside the chassis rails then plating over to box the chassis back in.

No need for a donor chassis. In fact given that the chassis rails are not parallel top and bottom, using a donor chassis may be more trouble than extending, reinforcing and plating.

Diana