Gen Y - the entitled to it all generation [Archive]

steve12

12th March 2010, 11:00 AM

Came across this email a while ago , may have seen it before ,
i sent it to both my teenage kids

This should be posted in every school.

Love him or hate him, he sure hits the nail on the head with this!
Bill Gates recently gave a speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set them up for failure in the real world.

Rule 1 : Life is not fair - get used to it!

Rule 2 : The world doesn't care about your
self-esteem. The world will expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about
yourself.

Rule 3 : You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.

Rule 4 : If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss

Rule 5 : Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping: they called it opportunity.

Rule 6 : If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault , so don't whine about your mistakes, learn from them.

Rule 7 : Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try delousing the closet in your own room.

Rule 8 : Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life HAS NOT. In some schools, they have abolished failing grades and they'll give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.

Rule 9 : Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that on your own time.

Rule 10 : Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.

Rule 11 : Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.

If you agree, pass it on.
If you don't agree stick your head in the sand and take a deep breath!

If you can read this -Thank a teacher!If you can read this in
English thank a soldier!!!

Steve

B92 8NW

12th March 2010, 11:03 AM

Not getting into the debate of it all but...

I reckon I could find a job for her...

regards,

p38arover

12th March 2010, 11:09 AM

Not getting into the debate of it all but...

I reckon I could find a job for her...

regards,

Banjo's daughter or the bird in the pic? :eek:

B92 8NW

12th March 2010, 11:18 AM

The pic!!!

loanrangie

12th March 2010, 11:59 AM

The pic!!!

Mind out of the gutter Joel !

Sleepy

12th March 2010, 02:53 PM

I think we had one of these arguments, ummm threads last year.

I love you's all:wub:

No where is that popcorn?https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

MickS

12th March 2010, 03:29 PM

I think we had one of these arguments, ummm threads last year.

I love you's all:wub:

No where is that popcorn?https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Yes, but this is backed up by a reputable source....the electronic media :Rolling:

banjo

12th March 2010, 03:32 PM

Not getting into the debate of it all but...

I reckon I could find a job for her...

regards,

YEP she could work for me in one or three positions..Or more...:angel:

Captain_Rightfoot

12th March 2010, 06:06 PM

At work it would appear that there is a definite Gen-Y thing happening... about half of our Gen-Yers are pretty slack with strange work ethics. :o :wasntme:

Sleepy

12th March 2010, 07:23 PM

V8Ian

12th March 2010, 07:33 PM

I'm gonna jump in here before we get the "us vs. them" thing happening.

I have a number of staff I work with (Mostly blokes). I could say they work for me, but I try and think of us as a team. It just so happens that some fool put me in charge.

I have a number of Y's and X's and whatever comes before that.

Yes I notice that a number of the Y's have plenty of distractions. (Didn't you when you were 22?) the X's tend to be worried about young children and paying off their house. (Didn't you when you were 32?) and the old farts like me just talk about their super, or how much the "ex" costs them.

There are slack ones and terrific ones in each "generation".

Am I generalising? - probably

Are you? - definitely.

Ok back to the popcorn https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Well put Paul, my experience too. Out of a staff of 19, my two worst employees consist of 1 X Gen x and a baby boomer. Let's not allow the truth to get in the way of entertainment though.

Enough popcorn there for two? ;)

waynep

15th March 2010, 01:57 PM

Tombie

15th March 2010, 02:11 PM

Hmmm ...probably not that recently....... I reckon early 1980s by the reference to "car phones" being something elitist, so it says this problem is not new either.

And the scary bit:

Rule 3 : You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.

The above is very possible up here....

Often we have 17-18 yr olds with more than 1 mobile (they have an Optus & Telstra and use the appropriate one to text mates with similar for $0.01) working shift work on the site making $80k+

I've never seen so many P platers driving $25k+ vehicles....

Cap

15th March 2010, 06:48 PM

I think too, from what I see, Gen-Y's have been given more choices and education at a higher level (eg Uni) much more accessible. So you have these qualified kids, being taught at Uni that they are the greatest once they graduate. No wonder they start work and become disillusioned when they dont get VP of a multinational organisation.

BUT, I have also see many who do have a hand out expecting everything for nothing, a gimmie gimmie attitude! Again, I wonder if parents are to blame somewhat (us included)...

rovercare

15th March 2010, 07:20 PM

Ageism:p

Tote

15th March 2010, 07:58 PM

In the IT field we have a similar situation to the above, big money for smart young blokes who want to have a go. That all works well until they find themselves going for a position where some perspective and experience are necessary.
From what I've seen it is pretty easy to get to the point where you are earning 100K + doing technical work but if you want to get further it requires the good judgement that only comes with age.
In my generation (entering the workforce in the early 80s ) I spent a few years earning much less than my mates as I completed my trade and then I leapfrogged them to be earning 50% more than them by the time I was in my mid twenties. I then spent the next 10 years getting to the same pay levels that a 30 year old could expect today but the experience that I have gained makes me more valuable to an employer than a 20-something with the same quals, which is why I am paid more than them much to their disgust :p.
I think that a lot of the Gen Y people on the big money now will find that as they mature they may have a longer wait until they can make that jump to more responsible positions, although they will be paid more comparatively than previous generations while they are waiting.
It is a very different employment market out there than it was 20 years ago.

Regards,
Tote

Chops

16th March 2010, 01:40 AM

I'm gonna jump in here before we get the "us vs. them" thing happening.

I have a number of staff I work with (Mostly blokes). I could say they work for me, but I try and think of us as a team. It just so happens that some fool put me in charge.

I have a number of Y's and X's and whatever comes before that.

Yes I notice that a number of the Y's have plenty of distractions. (Didn't you when you were 22?) the X's tend to be worried about young children and paying off their house. (Didn't you when you were 32?) and the old farts like me just talk about their super, or how much the "ex" costs them.

There are slack ones and terrific ones in each "generation".

Am I generalising? - probably

Are you? - definitely.

Ok back to the popcorn http://www.majhost.com/gallery/DanElHombre/smilies/wink.gif

As a supervisor myself,, I have to whole heartedly agree with this/these statements,,
I find the hardest thing to teach any generation, is the team/help spirit thing.:( , and that its not "always" about blaming someone,,young verses old,,and vise versa
Having said that,, what happens on the home front, and what happens at the work front, can be a very different story,,but,, we should still hire them at 16, whilst they still know all there is to know,,, :eek: ;)

Pass the popcorn please,,:angel:

robzilla

16th March 2010, 07:40 AM

This would be me! :D

But it's cool, I like working. Working = money = buy fun stuff! :D

I do know a few people that have gotten to my age (23) without ever having even a part time job. and honestly, i dont get. I guess their parents pay for A LOT of their stuff (phone bills, car rego's etc..) which is a wee bit rediculous!

Lotz-A-Landies

16th March 2010, 08:01 AM

The big hurdle for Gen Y and Gen X is that with the Global Financial Meltdown, they now have to learn about managing credit card debt. It seems that this is a very new concept and is hitting them very hard.

Poor souls!

Shonky

16th March 2010, 08:22 AM

Sleepy

16th March 2010, 03:21 PM

Young people are lazy, p platers are hooligans, and modern music is all about sex, drugs and killing cops.

Of course, when the baby boomers were in their 20s, they were never distracted by girls or partying, and never had ambitions of earning more than was realistic. And when they went home from their 25 hour working day they always drove exactly as they do now, and not like a P plate hooligan sans P plates.

And music wasn't at all controversial in the '60s and '70s! So Bob Marley sang about shooting police officers... I'm sure he was merely looking to the future - after all music wasn't like that back then, was it?

Youth doesn't change, old people just have skewed memories. Your parents despaired for you as you do for your own children. I'm sure when we all stop being so irresponsible and have kids of our own, we will probably have the same gripes, and be equally ignorant of our own coming of age!

Useless youths grow into useless adults. Trust me - I am sitting in an office full of people in cardigans who can barely be bothered reading their emails, and bitch and moan constantly about their pay and entitlements. Lazy and wanting a handout. Sound familiar?

Ahhh... generationalisations. Gotta love it. :)

Ahh, love it, young shonkster. Although Bob Marley was singing an Eric Clapton song.:p (Heard of him? - Richard Clapton's uncle .....hehehehe...who's Richard Clapton?? OK forget it! ....he's another old dude.)

And no-one can remember any bad stuff from the 60's and 70's - it was all cooooooooool mannnn! (OK the Bob Marley theme has come back again!!!:angel:)

Diana,

When I was in my 20's all the yuppies went broke in the 1987 stock market crash....another insignificant blip on the financial graph of time - Seems to me the only ones to lose in the GFC were those who were greedy and exposed. "Risk" is a four letter word to some!:angel:

MickS

16th March 2010, 04:15 PM

Young people are lazy, p platers are hooligans, and modern music is all about sex, drugs and killing cops.

Yes, yes and yes.

I'm sure if Bill Hayley had named his band N****** With Attitude, the KKK would have seen it wasn't only books that were being burnt in the 50's...

Of course, when the baby boomers were in their 20s, they were never distracted by girls or partying, and never had ambitions of earning more than was realistic. And when they went home from their 25 hour working day they always drove exactly as they do now, and not like a P plate hooligan sans P plates.

All night trading was unheard of...my first job paid $120 per fortnight, and I caught a train and bus to get to where I had to work because as a P plater, I could not afford a car due to the $120 per fortnight pay.

And music wasn't at all controversial in the '60s and '70s! So Bob Marley sang about shooting police officers... I'm sure he was merely looking to the future - after all music wasn't like that back then, was it?

It was the sheriff...and I don't recall Gene Pitney or Val Doonican singing "**** tha Police" :Rolling:

Youth doesn't change, old people just have skewed memories. Your parents despaired for you as you do for your own children. I'm sure when we all stop being so irresponsible and have kids of our own, we will probably have the same gripes, and be equally ignorant of our own coming of age!

Useless youths grow into useless adults. Trust me - I am sitting in an office full of people in cardigans who can barely be bothered reading their emails, and bitch and moan constantly about their pay and entitlements. Lazy and wanting a handout. Sound familiar?

Ahhh... generationalisations. Gotta love it. :)

Well generalised Shonky...

Lotz-A-Landies

16th March 2010, 04:36 PM

Young people are lazy, p platers are hooligans, and modern music is all about sex, drugs and killing cops. True

Of course, when the baby boomers were in their 20s, they were never distracted by girls or partying*, No when baby boomers were in their (sic) 20's they were having a moratorium on the Vietnam War and never had ambitions of earning more than was realistic. And when they went home from their 25 hour working day they always drove exactly as they do now, and not like a P plate hooligan sans P plates. Most baby boomers had their licences BEFORE "P" plates.
And music wasn't at all controversial in the '60s and '70s! So Bob Marley sang about shooting police officers... Baby boomers were being shot and killed by the government (e.g National Guard at Duke University), the NSW State Premier (Rob Askin) told his driver to run over demonstrators, so writing about shooting police was fair and reasonable. I'm sure he was merely looking to the future - after all music wasn't like that back then, was it?

Youth doesn't change, old people just have skewed memories. Are you all that sure or is it the invulnerability and infalliability of youth that's showing? Your parents despaired for you as you do for your own children. There was a mothers group called SOS (Save our Sons) that demonstrated against conscription and the Vietnam War so they were in it too. I'm sure when we all stop being so irresponsible and have kids of our own, we will probably have the same gripes, and be equally ignorant of our own coming of age! Except that the psychologists and workplace efficiency experts write programmes on how to manage Gen X and Gen Y employees. So there must be differences. Hippies never had jobs so never needed to be managed at work!

Useless youths grow into useless adults. Trust me - I am sitting in an office full of people in cardigans who can barely be bothered reading their emails, and bitch and moan constantly about their pay and entitlements. Lazy and wanting a handout. Sound familiar? But you work for the Public Service, where bitching and moaning is a work requirement!

Ahhh... generationalisations. Gotta love it. :)See red above.

You also have to understand that baby boomers were the generation that achieved things for others, not self-centred motives like the must have it now generations. The 60's produced citizenship for indigenous Australians, the woman's movement and equal rights, free health system, anti-discrimination, lead to the gay rights movement and this while they were still in their 20 and early thirties. These are things that "the have it now" generations take for granted, but which were hard fought for changes in society, which in no small way came about because of the baby-boomer generation.

What have Gen X and Gen Y done for others in the community???????

* Did you ever hear of Woodstock?

<snip>Of course, when the baby boomers were in their 20s, they were never distracted by girls or partying, and never had ambitions of earning more than was realistic. And when they went home from their 25 hour working day they always drove exactly as they do now, and not like a P plate hooligan sans P plates.
All night trading was unheard of...my first job paid $120 per fortnight, and I caught a train and bus to get to where I had to work because as a P plater, I could not afford a car due to the $120 per fortnight pay.
Well generalised Shonky...My first job I was paid $28 per week and got $2 extra if I came 1/2 an hour earlier 6 days per week. I had to have a good excuse why I didn't want to work on Sunday. My second job paid $45 per week for a full 40 hour week with meal breaks in my own time.

Other older baby boomers will tell you of lower pay rates.

rovercare

16th March 2010, 05:30 PM

It was the sheriff...and I don't recall Gene Pitney or Val Doonican singing "**** tha Police" :Rolling:

But did not shoot the deputy...

Ahh, rage against the machine:cool:

Sleepy

16th March 2010, 06:45 PM

60's produced citizenship for indigenous Australians, the woman's movement and equal rights, free health system, anti-discrimination, lead to the gay rights movement and this while they were still in their 20 and early thirties. These are things that "the have it now" generations take for granted, but which were hard fought for changes in society, which in no small way came about because of the baby-boomer generation.

Hang on Diana:confused:, Citizenship for indigenous Australians was 1967. The oldest Baby Boomer would have been 24. The youngest 4. Not sure BB's can take the credit for that one.

In fact by 1970 the oldest Baby Boomer was 27, so again I feel the generation before that (Depression Kids?- not sure what they're called??) would take credit for most initiatives then.

Not to discount your argument but I just dont think it was credit to BB's who probably didn't have significant influence until "Its Time" and the the Vietnam moratoriums of 1971-2?

Then of course we can blame BB's for Sandman Panelvans, Sideburns and Early 70's worship of USA ("Laying on Arkansas Grass", "You need Uncle Sam":angel:)

I was only 8 so happy to be corrected.:angel:

Mick_Marsh

16th March 2010, 09:44 PM

Young people are lazy, p platers are hooligans, and modern music is all about sex, drugs and killing cops.

Of course, when the baby boomers were in their 20s, they were never distracted by girls or partying, and never had ambitions of earning more than was realistic. And when they went home from their 25 hour working day they always drove exactly as they do now, and not like a P plate hooligan sans P plates.

And music wasn't at all controversial in the '60s and '70s! So Bob Marley sang about shooting police officers... I'm sure he was merely looking to the future - after all music wasn't like that back then, was it?

Youth doesn't change, old people just have skewed memories. Your parents despaired for you as you do for your own children. I'm sure when we all stop being so irresponsible and have kids of our own, we will probably have the same gripes, and be equally ignorant of our own coming of age!

Useless youths grow into useless adults. Trust me - I am sitting in an office full of people in cardigans who can barely be bothered reading their emails, and bitch and moan constantly about their pay and entitlements. Lazy and wanting a handout. Sound familiar?

Ahhh... generationalisations. Gotta love it. :)

Hey!
I'm a baby boomer.
(I haven't grown up though but my toy cars have)

I know what you mean. As older adults we tend to forget the indiscretions of our past.

And what's wrong with a nice cardy, they keep the chill off.

rockyroad

16th March 2010, 10:05 PM

Apparently being a 1980 model I am told that puts me in Gen Y but I can tell you that I have absolutely nothing in common with most of them.

I drive a Defender which is slow and uncool, a Discovery before that which was considered a Grandads car. Most of the music I listen too is older than me.

Who comes up with this generation rubbish and what will be next?

itchynipl

16th March 2010, 10:29 PM

I cant beleive that there is so much bagging of the Gen Y or am I the minority? Yes I will agree that there are a number of Gen Y's out there that want to sit on their a** & get paid to do nothing; every generation has their fair share of hopeless idiots. However have you ever looked at who is lining up for the doll? There are people from each generation there & the older you get the more of a stereotype you place on the generations younger then you.

Personally I was working 3 jobs & going to school at the same time & since leaving school only 6 years ago I am now in a position of power within a large multi-national company. I put the long hrs in to get to where I want to go & I see a number of older staff who do their 8 hrs & go home yet they wonder why I get the benefits & the extra perks. It's not rocket science!

Currently I have 6 Gen Y's working for me & they actually work the hardest out of all my staff that range from Gen Y to Baby Boomers.

I guess the message here is that you shouldnt judge a book by its cover & stereotype the WHOLE generation. Understand that yes there are some that want everything & don't want to do anything to get it but this is in every generation.

samuelclarke

16th March 2010, 11:43 PM

Stereotypes are very often just that. Stereotypes. To quote the dictionary definition, "a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing"

I do agree that gen Y'ers in general are more inclined to take the easy route...but you'd have to be kidding yourself to say that gen X'ers and baby boomers were that drastically better as a whole. If anything I'd say from my observation that we've had three generations of very, comparatively, easy living and it's having it's affect to a greater degree on each passing generation. :(

To be honest I think the biggest factor is work ethics being passed on from the previous generation...which you have to then take yourself and make your own. Good old fashioned hard work and both patience and impatience (for waiting on getting things you wish you had and for achieving goals, respectively) are the greatest keys in my book. It starts with the work ethics others rub off on you (especially parents) and ends with yourself. And that isn't limited to any generation, education level, race, gender or age.

Now, let me get off my soapbox... :soapbox: :lol2: :zzz:

Lotz-A-Landies

17th March 2010, 12:09 AM

Hang on Diana:confused:, Citizenship for indigenous Australians was 1967. The oldest Baby Boomer would have been 24. The youngest 4. Not sure BB's can take the credit for that one.

In fact by 1970 the oldest Baby Boomer was 27, so again I feel the generation before that (Depression Kids?- not sure what they're called??) would take credit for most initiatives then.

Not to discount your argument but I just dont think it was credit to BB's who probably didn't have significant influence until "Its Time" and the the Vietnam moratoriums of 1971-2?

Then of course we can blame BB's for Sandman Panelvans, Sideburns and Early 70's worship of USA ("Laying on Arkansas Grass", "You need Uncle Sam":angel:)

I was only 8 so happy to be corrected.:angel:Interesting debate Paul

I must agree with you that many of these movements came about because of the generations that came before, the women's suffrage movement existed from the 1800's the BBs parent's generation who experienced both depression and WWII coupled with the Australian philosophy of a fair go, however the huge increase in population caused by the PWBB's may not have had a direct impact on the outcome of the 1967 referendum, but certainly BB's were quite vocal about the issue and by 1973 when the voting age was reduced to 18 there were 13 years of BB's voting.

The issue is that these generations culminating in the PWBB's were generally civic minded with a community spirit. Not what is generally found in the ego-centric generations after the PWBB's.

I still ask the question, what have Gen X and Gen Y yet given the world?

Sleepy

17th March 2010, 12:26 AM

The issue is what have Gen X and Gen Y yet given the world?

Ummm...... Kylie Minogue and Paris Hilton:angel:

klappers

17th March 2010, 02:31 AM

Gen Y's are so lazy that they havent even contributed to the world... Probably because they forgot...

On a serious note though.. who cares who contributed to what and when.. doesnt really matter does it. If one has a civic duty and so on and so forth, you dont then get on the soap box and preach it to the world. I am a 1983 vintage and I bust my ass for what I have. I would rather live in a shoe box and be happy with my family then have a 500,000 house to pay off... Life is what matters in my world.. Each day I wake and I am just happy that the man upstairs hasnt seen fit to take me yet, and alot of the Gen Y's that I work with are the same! So back off, butt out and get on living your life and stop worrying about mine.

Shonky

17th March 2010, 07:54 AM

...Bob Marley was singing an Eric Clapton song.:p

GASP! :o

Other way around Sleeps! (although I concede that Claptons version is the better one...)

Well generalised Shonky...

That was the point. ;)

The 60's produced citizenship for indigenous Australians, the woman's movement and equal rights, free health system, anti-discrimination, lead to the gay rights movement and this while they were still in their 20 and early thirties. These are things that "the have it now" generations take for granted, but which were hard fought for changes in society, which in no small way came about because of the baby-boomer generation.

Such things are hazy, but it is generally considered that the baby boomer era started in the mid/late 40s and ended in the early 60s!

So all of the things you mention as achievements of the 1960s were accomplished by teenagers and babies?

So the young baby boomers did a lot of protesting about their circumstances and brought about change. Good on them! They are also the ones running the country now - nice going financial gurus!

Perhaps Australia is a more fair and equitable place thanks to the baby boomers, but if it is all going well, why change that? Why does a generation as a whole have to don the tie-dye shirt and wave a sign to justify it's existance? Culture change has happened and humanity is in a better place because of it. Continue that and the job is done.

What have Gen X and Gen Y done for others in the community???????

You fought for gay rights and black citizens (sort of) - we (generalising) fight for action against climate change and an end to third world poverty.
The (predominantly social) changes you attribute to the baby boomers have been developed well beyond the intended scope by post BB generations.

If you were an X/Y what causes would you be getting behind? Sure there are lots of issues, but which big issues need a whole generation to be up in arms?

My first job I was paid $28 per week and got $2 extra if I came 1/2 an hour earlier 6 days per week. I had to have a good excuse why I didn't want to work on Sunday. My second job paid $45 per week for a full 40 hour week with meal breaks in my own time.

And what was the price of petrol? The cost of a house? a car?

Everything is relative!

Disclaimer: All of the above is said in the spirit of good natured debate. The overall theme is that every generation has it's ups and downs, its louts and it's legends. A generation full of young people will always act with less maturity than a generation full of older citizens. Comparing a young generation from 20 years ago is futile - the world was a very different place (better in some ways, worse in others) and anecdotal evidence based on memories is unreliable. As we age we interpret things differently. This includes our own self reflection!

Sleepy

17th March 2010, 07:58 AM

Other way around Sleeps! (although I concede that Claptons version is the better one...)

I learn something very day. :angel: Young frickin fracken smartarse gen-y whippersnapper:p

Lotz-A-Landies

17th March 2010, 08:13 AM

And what was the price of petrol? The cost of a house? a car?

Everything is relative!

from memory the cost of petrol was between 20 and 27 cpl about 20% of what it is now. At least that is what it was in the mid 1970's and my $28 job was in 1973.

I doubt that anyone would work the equivalent of 5-6 times my 1973 wages ($150/per week) for a 6 day week today.

Shonky

17th March 2010, 08:46 AM

I am surprised no one has put this up yet - so I will! :p

YouTube- Monty Python - Four Yorkshiremen

Shonky

17th March 2010, 08:49 AM

*double post*

isuzutoo-eh

17th March 2010, 10:09 AM

I must be a Gen Y member because I am too lazy to read the entire thread.

But thats okay, because thats what my generation has been told to be like.
Stereotypes are fun to play up. When the whinging generation who's behind the sun shines out of tells me I am lazy, what am I to do but meet expectations? Damned if I'm going to help someone that complains about everything I try and do. I don't want to be grumbled at.
Baby boomers just like to whinge about everyone else!

midal

17th March 2010, 10:27 AM

I learn something very day. :angel: Young frickin fracken smartarse gen-y whippersnapper:p

Haha....absolute gold Sleeps:clap2::clap2:

Cheers
Mick

QLDMIKE

17th March 2010, 11:15 AM

Just stirring here; however, who raised, fed, educated, cared for and passed on their ethics and culture to Generations X & Y?
A: Baby Boomers.
So if the baby boomers are so great what went wrong?
I would suggest to whinging Baby Boomers that this current (perceived) situation is possibly as a result of their actions or inactions.
I am unfortunately I am considered Gen Y, although at 18 years 6 days saw myself living away from home being yelled at. (I joined the Army)

Just remember that most of our armed forces, emergency services and other essential services are mostly manned by Generations X & Y. There must be a few good ones out there then that are happy to out their necks on the line then. (Talking about the people that do the work, not the decision makers)

At my current work place, when the person telling me that my generation does not know what hard work is, they are normally a baby boomer that took advantage of the 54/11 super scheme and is now back doing the minimum required of them to earn more money. Best super scheme ever invented, no other generation will ever get such a good deal.
So what has Gen Y done? Well maybe not that much yet but we sure do have one big bill to pay, thanks to the BBs super and medical costs.

Please note the first two words in my post J

Sleepy

17th March 2010, 06:04 PM

most of our armed forces, emergency services and other essential services are mostly manned by Generations X & Y.
Spot on (even for a QLDer :p) Let's face it, with the youngest of the BB's in their late 40's it will be 10 years and the x/y' s will rule the world :twisted:

Captain_Rightfoot

17th March 2010, 07:12 PM

Personally, I think that some gen-Yers suffer a work ethic issue.

IMHO this is because for their entire life they have not seen so much as a half decent recession. Their entire working life has occurred during the peak of Australias (and the worlds) debt fuelled prosperity. It has always been easy to get a well payed job.

My wife recounted how in the early 90's she bought her first car. She had been to uni. She had a professional position in IT. To borrow 3.5k for a 15 year old Mazda she had to get her mother and brother to go as guarantor on the loan.

A relative at the same age wanted a car a couple of years back. She had a checkered employment history, with only casual low paid work. You want a car, here is 20k for a brand new Holden. Job Done. What about paying it back... don't worry about that... you can do it later (same as everyone else). Different times...

korg20000bc

17th March 2010, 07:20 PM

I was talking to a 60y/o bloke who is a plant operator and a farmer is paying him $30/ hour to sweep cobwebs off his barn. The farmer told him that he knew that he'd keep working when he wasn't around and the job'd get done.

groucho

17th March 2010, 07:23 PM

x/y' s will rule the world
That's the part that worries me most.......

Sleepy

17th March 2010, 07:34 PM

I'll save you a spot by the "looking window", groucho:p

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/721.jpg

As if they could do a worse job.;)

MickS

17th March 2010, 08:03 PM

My wife recounted how in the early 90's she bought her first car. She had been to uni. She had a professional position in IT. To borrow 3.5k for a 15 year old Mazda she had to get her mother and brother to go as guarantor on the loan.

A relative at the same age wanted a car a couple of years back. She had a checkered employment history, with only casual low paid work. You want a car, here is 20k for a brand new Holden. Job Done. What about paying it back... don't worry about that... you can do it later (same as everyone else). Different times...

First car - it was in 1979 - a VW type 3 fastback - $1499 at Slippery Sams motors :eek: I worked in a bank....."can I have a loan boss?" "Your mother and father will have to go guarantor"..Mum..dad?? I should have known better than to ask.....so I got a bankcard instead and bought the car that way...different times...

rovercare

17th March 2010, 08:33 PM

"The older I get, the better I was":p

groucho

17th March 2010, 08:45 PM

I'll save you a spot by the "looking window", groucho:p

http://grumpy-people.com/gallery/Grandpa-Abe-Simpson.jpeg

As if they could do a worse job.;)

Thanks mate i'm touched :p

series3

17th March 2010, 09:08 PM

Baby boomers just like to whinge about everyone else!

It's not the generation, it's the age speaking. Don't worry though, we'll be there soon enough.

groucho

17th March 2010, 09:17 PM

As if they could do a worse job.
Ya got me there, the nought heads that are in government at the moment a pack of chimpanzee's could do a better job.........

Felix

17th March 2010, 09:54 PM

Well I am a Gen Y and I can agree that some are lazy. I'm doing my apprenticeship at the moment, and the amount of apprentices that are lazy and expect something for nothing is astounding. But it isn't as bad as what I saw at uni when i went (before I dropped out.. hah). There are so many who have never had an actual job, just sailing through life having everything paid for by their parents. Rego, phone bills, uni fees, petrol.. the whole lot! There is a lack of responsibility showing which annoys me, as we're not all like that!

Alot of my friends I'd be scared to see how they go in the 'real' world. Most of them have absolutely no idea what it is like to have a 'boss' telling them what to do, having a rediculous deadline (do a 4 hour job in 1 yep no worries boss) or even the requirement to show up to work in time. I'm not going to really get into religion here as it isn't really appropriate- but I have found that alot of my generation is into it... heavily. They put it as their first priority and from an employers point of view (family has a restaurant) it is extremely annoying! They will expect the employer to have complete 100% understanding if they want to go to a church event on a night/day where they are expected/required to work.. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT!

I could go on forever about how frustrating it is to have pretty much everyone think our generation is lazy because well, it is true to about 80% of us.

/rant