Scrapping S1 & yes, I am peeved-off

[Lost Landy]

Well its true we can not save every series 1 Land Rover built!
But I have heard of certian people from the UK coming over here & butchering up early landys including very early 80" haveing the parts shoved into a container & shipped back to the UK.
Hell the UK has some of the best repro parts avalable, leave our Landys be!
Yes the UK might be starved of good s/h parts but that doesnt condone useing the gas axe to cut out X members & out riggers form rust free 48/49 chassis, or to distroy complete & runing vehicles!
These people are no better then the scrap metal recyclers that do the same.

These people know who they are! :mad:

[D-Fender]

This makes me sick. Bastards.

[groucho]

The Land Rover wrecker down near the snowys who was prudent enough
to round up quite a few series Land Rovers. An offer was made from certain UK people to buy parts. He said that he runs a wrecking yard and if the people over here don't want to put their hand in their pocket he will sell to anyone whow will. and did. I have seen the aftermarth of the carnage to some early series chassis. Like he said "i run a wrecking yard and i got to eat too". Thats it ! Tough.........

[Reads90]

Well its true we can not save every series 1 Land Rover built!
But I have heard of certian people from the UK coming over here & butchering up early landys including very early 80" haveing the parts shoved into a container & shipped back to the UK.
Hell the UK has some of the best repro parts avalable, leave our Landys be!
Yes the UK might be starved of good s/h parts but that doesnt condone useing the gas axe to cut out X members & out riggers form rust free 48/49 chassis, or to distroy complete & runing vehicles!
These people are no better then the scrap metal recyclers that do the same.

These people know who they are! :mad:


I have a very good mate in the Uk who has a large personal collection of Land rovers (in fact he is the second Largest Buyer Land rovers in the world )

he keeps on saying to me he will deliver a 40'container to my door for me to fill with S1 parts and cars and then he will get it sent back to him in the uk .

[Reads90]

Dam PC playing tricks on me

[Sleepy]

But if they are being "parted out" it probably not as bad as they will help other Land Rovers live on.
I bought a Series 2a from a bloke on ebay. I had actually been outbid by a scrappy but the seller refused to let it go to him. He rang me as second bidder and we sealed the deal. He told me many scrappies keep their eye out for Land Rovers as the AL (at the time) was quite a high value. Meaning a rusty old S2 was worth AU$500 to $600 melted down. :mad:
I think the price of Al has dropped quite a bit since.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

There is one of these UK based Land Rover rapists who has removed all the rust free firewalls from a complete set of Series 1's at Walters wrecking yard in Polo Flat NSW making the rest of the vehicle/s next to useless.

He regularly visits australia to rape and pillage any Land Rover he can find.

At the LR60 celebrations in Cooma he said to a Qld enthusiast that he would deliver a rear PTO to another LR enthusiast in Canberra. This PTO had a broken case but the gears were salvageable. Instead he put the PTO in his container, shipped it back to the UK and sold it.

Now I am without the gearset for my rear PTO because the enthusiast in Canberra needs it more than me.

How can you forget to deliver an assembly like that to a town so close to Cooma and how can you then ship it around the world and claim you forgot.

This person is worse than the scrappies, because I believe that he is a thief.

[bayrover]

And be further aware that the overseas based profiteers are planning a raid on Australian stocks to be taken back overseas to be sold. It is also believed that Australian 'agents' are working on their behalf to secure such items. What they have done here will be further extended to all bits. I really do hope they become exposed by s1 enthis.

[gromit]

Like most people I'm unhappy about parts going overseas but :-

If it was an overseas enthusiast getting the parts while over here and shipping them back home it's one thing but if it's just a business venture then I'm less happy about it.
At the end of the day wreckers yards are a business and they will just sell to whoever pays the price they are asking.
While AULRO members continue to circulate finds in wreckers yards etc. there is more chance of the parts staying in Australia although if someone from overseas latches onto a wrecker and offers him higher than the local market prices then the overseas sales will continue.

Leading up to the Olympics, when steel prices were at their highest the father-in-law went into one of the wreckers in Dandenong that specialised in old Lancruisers. He couldn't get the part he needed because every single one in the yard had been scrapped. The wrecker had trouble sitting down because his wallet was so fat ! He made more money on each car than he ever would by parting them out over a few years.

Unfortunately 'running a business', greed, wanting to make a buck or whatever you want to call it means this practice will continue.

I'd like to take the opportunity to thank those people on the forum who pass on details of 'finds' offer parts to fellow members (often free) and offer on the forum before putting on Ebay.


Colin

[Landy Smurf]

it is true and this ****es me off so much.i dont mind them doing disco's or later cars but leave our series alone.i would really like to start my own company where i just make reproduction stuff for land rovers as well as accessories and trailers.i think it would be fun all i need is a water cutter and a mig welder and there is a chassis:)

[disco2hse]

Unfortunately 'running a business', greed, wanting to make a buck or whatever you want to call it means this practice will continue.

It is not greed. It is need. Just because you run a business does not make you into an industrial fat cat. To make a decent buck is no reason for others to complain about a business person's good fortune. Why should it not continue and if you want to stem the flow then buy them your self.


I'd like to take the opportunity to thank those people on the forum who pass on details of 'finds' offer parts to fellow members (often free) and offer on the forum before putting on Ebay.

Absolutely. This is a constructive suggestion. Many of these parts may have sat idle in the wreckers yard for some time and in doing so they cost the wrecker money. You cannot condemn them for wanting to clear old stock to make way for new.


it is true and this ****es me off so much.i dont mind them doing disco's or later cars but leave our series alone.

They aren't yours until you have paid for them.


i would really like to start my own company where i just make reproduction stuff for land rovers as well as accessories and trailers.i think it would be fun all i need is a water cutter and a mig welder and there is a chassis:)

Do it! :D

But I think you'd need rather more than that ;)

Alan

[p38arover]

At the LR60 celebrations in Cooma he said to a Qld enthusiast that he would deliver a rear PTO to another LR enthusiast in Canberra. This PTO had a broken case but the gears were salvageable. Instead he put the PTO in his container, shipped it back to the UK and sold it.

Now I am without the gearset for my rear PTO because the enthusiast in Canberra needs it more than me.

How can you forget to deliver an assembly like that to a town so close to Cooma and how can you then ship it around the world and claim you forgot.

This person is worse than the scrappies, because I believe that he is a thief.

I'm confused. Did this person offer to bring it south from the Qld enthusiast and deliver it to Canberra for you to collect?

[isuzutoo-eh]

Its the same with the poms in other areas too, historically significant traction engines, portable engines, stationary engines, steam trains-all have been exported without permission to the detriment of Australia's history. Same thing happens with South Africa, America and parts of Europe. The poms have money and see foreign lands as places to reap. What's new?

Sometimes the larger steam machines have been broken up and packed in with general scrap metal so they get past customs checks.

[Landy Smurf]

ours= australias
yeah that was just a starting point. i would like to be a teacher and slowly work my way into my own business.

[disco2hse]

Its the same with the poms in other areas too, historically significant traction engines, portable engines, stationary engines, steam trains-all have been exported without permission to the detriment of Australia's history. Same thing happens with South Africa, America and parts of Europe. The poms have money and see foreign lands as places to reap. What's new?

Sometimes the larger steam machines have been broken up and packed in with general scrap metal so they get past customs checks.

Dammit you're right!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Their flipping museums are full of stolen artefacts, I mean look what happened to the Elgin Marbles, Cleopatra's Needle, and all those stolen artfacts!!!! :bat:

There's only one solution. Ban them all. Aaaaarggghhh :rocket:

:vampire:

:firedevil:

[disco2hse]

ours= australias
yeah that was just a starting point. i would like to be a teacher and slowly work my way into my own business.

Owned by a citizen of Australia, not the Australian State. Or is there no difference.

Is there collective ownership of other things too? Toasters, chairs,...wives? :p

[Landy Smurf]

just saw where you live
the rivalry continues lol

[isuzutoo-eh]

Owned by a citizen of Australia, not the Australian State. Or is there no difference.

Is there collective ownership of other things too? Toasters, chairs,...wives? :p

yes, there is a collective ownership of some things. Cultural significance goes beyond private ownership.
A few weeks ago some locomotive name plates were on UK ebay. They were being auctioned by an Australian, and the plates are off Australian locomotives.
The plates fall under 'movable items of Australian cultural significance' and as such cannot be exported without permission from whichever government department deals in such things. Ownership can change hands within Australia but they must not be exported without permission.

A Snowy Mountains Scheme Landy is just another series Landy in the UK, likely good enough only for spares. In Australia the same vehicle has context far beyond that which it has in the UK.

[VladTepes]

chuck in a 5 axis CNC machiine schmierer

[clean32]

Owned by a citizen of Australia, not the Australian State. Or is there no difference.

:p

sounds rather commie to me

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I'm confused. Did this person offer to bring it south from the Qld enthusiast and deliver it to Canberra for you to collect?Pretty much but only from Cooma, the Brit offered to carry the broken case PTO from the LR60 festival in Cooma and deliver it to a LR Enthusiast who lives in Canberra (the Canberra chappie was in NZ for the LR60).

The pommy chap didn't deliver the PTO to Canberra but put it in his shipping container and sent it back to the UK.

Yes after some negotiations the Qld chap got goods to compensate the loss of the PTO trade. However the consequence for me was I had my PTO dismantled to salvage the gears for a 1948 LR. So what would have been a 3 way trade with three satisfied Aussie enthusiasts, ended up with a lot of angst, one semi satisfied Aussie enthusiast, two unsatisfied Aussie enthusiasts and profit for one Brit pillager.

[disco2hse]

sounds rather commie to me

That was the point :D

[Landy Smurf]

what an a-hole

[disco2hse]

Pretty much, the Brit offered to carry the broken case PTO from the LR60 festival in Cooma and deliver it to a LR Enthusiast who lives in Canberra (the Canberra chappie was in NZ for the LR60).

The pommy chap didn't deliver the PTO to Canberra but put it in his shipping container and sent it back to the UK.

Yes after some negotiations the Qld chap got goods to compensate the loss of the PTO trade. However the consequence for me was I had my PTO dismantled to salvage the gears for a 1948 LR. So what would have been a 3 way trade with three satisfied Aussie enthusiasts, ended up with a lot of angst, one semi satisfied Aussie enthusiast, two unsatisfied Aussie enthusiasts and profit for one Brit pillager.

yeah now that just sucks :mad:

And you say it was a commercial operation? That makes it worse.

[bayrover]

mmm, what does everyone think of the overseas chappy having a container land in perth soon to stack goodies away to go back overseas.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

mmm, what does everyone think of the overseas chappy having a container land in perth soon to stack goodies away to go back overseas.Vandalism, rape and pillage.

[weeds]

mmm, what does everyone think of the overseas chappy having a container land in perth soon to stack goodies away to go back overseas.

i don't see a problem

so, if there was a second hand part in the UK, at the right price, that i needed, and its cheaper than the same thing in aus, i brought it and arranged postage to aus would i be doing the wrong thing as suggested in this thread? should i leave it in the UK for an enthusiast as you guys are indicating? don't think so

money talk bull**** walks, everything has a price and when sold i don't think it matters to anybody on here which country it ends up in or who the buyer is........don't start me on ex mil stuff

the more that leave our shores the more valuable ours/the ones left become.......maybe

[jakeslouw]

In South Africa, there seems to be a mad scramble for Series and Defender vehicles and spares.
Old 110 County SWs are almost unobtainable: at one stage you couldn't drive around without seeing an old 1980s V8 CSW, now they seem to have disappeared.
Where to?
I suspect back to Mud Island. Seems like (from what I've read), the road tax is low on those models, and some Poms like the V8s instead of the oil burner.
The old Disco is a dime a dozen over there, so the upgrade route is simple: buy an old Disco that won't pass MOT and slot in the 3.9/4.0, then sell off the Disco spares.

On the other hand, good condition Disco 1s and 2s are selling for Oz$ 7000 and up (that's cheap over here, we have a very odd used vehicle market....)

[disco2hse]

Vandalism, rape and pillage.

Breaking news: Landy owners discover container of Series 1 parts in Perth

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/23612d1268891307-scrapping-s1-yes-i-am-peeved-off-captain_jack_sparrow_-_johnny_depp.jpg

[D-Fender]

Is there collective ownership of other things too? Toasters, chairs,...wives? :p

How many of those toasters and chairs are war vets.



the more that leave our shores the more valuable ours/the ones left become.......maybe

Which is not a good thing for anyone who wants one, or anyone that needs parts for theirs.

[bayrover]

Love your work disco2hse

[Rayngie]

If you don't want the cars / parts to leave Australia, buy them your self...otherwise whoever owns them now has a right to sell them as and how they see fit...free market.

Ray

[Dinty]

My sentiments exactly Rayngie, if you need/want, then shell out the loot, or lose it to someone who has the loot, regardless of whether they are in for restoration/profit off shore, otherwise your just another time waster of the person trying to sell it

[lardy]

Well its true we can not save every series 1 Land Rover built!
But I have heard of certian people from the UK coming over here & butchering up early landys including very early 80" haveing the parts shoved into a container & shipped back to the UK.
Hell the UK has some of the best repro parts avalable, leave our Landys be!
Yes the UK might be starved of good s/h parts but that doesnt condone useing the gas axe to cut out X members & out riggers form rust free 48/49 chassis, or to distroy complete & runing vehicles!
These people are no better then the scrap metal recyclers that do the same.

These people know who they are! :mad:

i doubt that would be the go when you can buy near authentic chassis and body parts that are being remanufactured in the u.k. now how would ya save ?

[lardy]

But if they are being "parted out" it probably not as bad as they will help other Land Rovers live on.
I bought a Series 2a from a bloke on ebay. I had actually been outbid by a scrappy but the seller refused to let it go to him. He rang me as second bidder and we sealed the deal. He told me many scrappies keep their eye out for Land Rovers as the AL (at the time) was quite a high value. Meaning a rusty old S2 was worth AU$500 to $600 melted down. :mad:
I think the price of Al has dropped quite a bit since.

being a selfish bastard i would prefer to see historical Land rovers in Australia in the future, not sent back to that enviroment of salt and rain where they rot faster than the gusset of julia gillards undies

[lardy]

Its the same with the poms in other areas too, historically significant traction engines, portable engines, stationary engines, steam trains-all have been exported without permission to the detriment of Australia's history. Same thing happens with South Africa, America and parts of Europe. The poms have money and see foreign lands as places to reap. What's new?

Sometimes the larger steam machines have been broken up and packed in with general scrap metal so they get past customs checks.

get a grip jeez you sound like a bogan old racist....if you have any documented evidence then you could stop it by reporting it if it's just hear-say then well it's just that.

[isuzutoo-eh]

I guess the Land Rover or even the automobile restoration crowd is a little more self-centered than I expected. In railway preservation, items are restored so they may be experienced and enjoyed by others, usually in a manner that doesn't detract from the item's future. Seems that some Land Rover restorers are more interested in making money than sharing with others, just like scrappies wielding oxy torches.
I'm glad that not all vehicle restorers/preservationists are chasing dollars be it in scrap parts heading overseas or speculation of value.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Lardy,
I am sorry to tar all poms with one brush. Fact is I am aware of this sort of thing happening in the past. How would i know about current occurences when it is shrouded in secrecy, being an illegal act?
If you want an example, the locomotive on the following web page was repatriated from Aus illegally and went through a number of hands before ending up at the railway which restored it.
The BWLR - Bredgar & Wormshill Light Railway (http://www.bwlr.co.uk/locos.php?flag=no7)
This locomotive has no cultural significance to the UK, being a French built locomotive serving its entire working life in Queensland. In the UK it may have been built last week, the significance is the same.
If you read Old Glory, a UK magazine on machinery preservation, you might notice just how many of the restored machines were repatriated from foreign shores.

[bayrover]

I think you might find they are coming to purchase original rather than kit their car with repo parts. Big difference between the two. Maybe they realise the repo cars look tinny and never leave the road, only to end up as trailer queens at car shows. Seems the negatives are only coming from folks who don't have much to do with early restos. I say lets object to these robbers and their australian agents (and you know who you are) and try and keep what we have as future history for the young ones coming on

[Lotz-A-Landies]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/22.jpg
Mod Hat on.

I think we all need to sit back and calm down, Yes I'm guilty too.

However name calling and direct personal attack is not acceptable. You know who it is.

The next one in this thread will receive an infraction.

[Landy Smurf]

i doubt that would be the go when you can buy near authentic chassis and body parts that are being remanufactured in the u.k. now how would ya save ?
you can buy brand new chassis in australian they are about 2k galvanised pretty good price

[lardy]

Juddy,
I am sorry to tar all poms with one brush. Fact is I am aware of this sort of thing happening in the past. How would i know about current occurences when it is shrouded in secrecy, being an illegal act?
If you want an example, the locomotive on the following web page was repatriated from Aus illegally and went through a number of hands before ending up at the railway which restored it.
The BWLR - Bredgar & Wormshill Light Railway (http://www.bwlr.co.uk/locos.php?flag=no7)
This locomotive has no cultural significance to the UK, being a French built locomotive serving its entire working life in Queensland. In the UK it may have been built last week, the significance is the same.
If you read Old Glory, a UK magazine on machinery preservation, you might notice just how many of the restored machines were repatriated from foreign shores.

lets go get it back i reckon a couple of landies could pull that small guage effort into a container

[lardy]

you can buy brand new chassis in australian they are about 2k galvanised pretty good price

that is my point why would you bother coming here to rape and pillage, when you have a multitude of near authentic new old stock and the like in the u.k.
And you can get chassis for landies for a grand in the uk properly engineered cheap

[lardy]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/22.jpg
Mod Hat on.

I think we all need to sit back and calm down, Yes I'm guilty too.

However name calling and direct personal attack is not acceptable. You know who it is.

The next one in this thread will receive an infraction.

I do wish that the Administration would not beat around the bush when trying to indicate which one of us is being convicted of unkown crimes "you know how it is" does not really help please elaborate so we can keep within the forum confines thanks

[Landy Smurf]

hehe australian drop the n.anyway well this guy sells it cheaper to aussies that is good

[lardy]

hehe australian drop the n.anyway well this guy sells it cheaper to aussies that is good

so does he manufacture these from scratch on a jig or are they remanufactured and are they only series ???

[isuzutoo-eh]

If anyone involved in an export does wish to do the right thing, some series Landies may fall under Category B of the Protection of Movable Cultural Heritage ACT 1986 and Protection of Movable Cultural Heritage Regulations 1987. Such a Land Rover may be considered important under the area of agricultural and industrial heritage, though it is not yet likely and would have to be an outstanding item.
More details here for those that don't have anything better to do (i.e. me):
http://www.arts.gov.au/movable
Under one of the links, there is a list of items that have been refused export permission, no internal combustion road vehicles in it so far.
I am surprised the act doesn't have a heading for military/armed forces items apart from medals.
Land Rovers such as those used by the Leyland Brothers could potentially fall under the Documentary heritage heading, however it would require someone to actually notify the government department of the significance of it being more than just another old car. Luckily Rangier Rover isn't exporting his :)

[Landy Smurf]

as far as i know he just makes them from scratch for any series 1.im not sure what equipment he uses

[Landy Smurf]

oh he does firewalls and rear tubs for s1 aswell expensive but some times not much chose

[tom the pom]

All pretty interesting,

Firstly lots of stuff has been bought on the open market,

2nd lots of stuff has been bought from you or your friends

3rd Bayrover you are friends with a seller of parts on russel island, boy I have heard some stories!

Brendan you used to have a Zebra 109, I came with the guy that bought it, and recomened that it was a good motor,

4th the container that is coming to Perth is on a 1 way trip to bring a vehicle of mine to go on a run that is going outback to middle of Australia, and I have offered to transport any part that any one may want, at cost.

I was the person if you like that pre ran doing what now happens on ebay.

it is a free market, and any one of you could have gone and bought what I have.

Hope this clears a few things up,

Regards
Tom

[bayrover]

All pretty interesting stuff,

First, looks like your contact has been in touch with you

Second, looks like you don't even live in cooma as your new post suggests

Third, good luck in the FUTURE SOURCING PARTs

Rgds

[bayrover]

All interesting stuff,

As well as parts that go missing
Cheers

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If anyone involved in an export does wish to do the right thing, some series Landies may fall under Category B of the Protection of Movable Cultural Heritage ACT 1986 and Protection of Movable Cultural Heritage Regulations 1987. Such a Land Rover may be considered important under the area of agricultural and industrial heritage, though it is not yet likely and would have to be an outstanding item.
More details here for those that don't have anything better to do (i.e. me):
Movable cultural heritage (http://www.arts.gov.au/movable)
...<snip>Thanks Mark

Some of us do know about that. You also may be aware that a number of the WWII vehicles that went from Australia to last years D Day anniversary in Normandy were restricted by that legislation with severe penalties for the owners if the vehicles were not returned to our shores after the event. However as has been suggested, some of it slips under the radar by being shipped in bulk and possibly without full manifest descriptions, and I am not casting aspersions here.

Diana

[groucho]

The reason for this topic
That's why i bought the 5 80" Land Rovers
seen them on my travels. They were all well worn but each one had something that the others didn't have. So, instead of waiting to find
a certain bit i have everything to put 1 good one together.
I payed the price i wanted. No body gave them away either.

Gee word travels fast don't it.............

[Lost Landy]

I have to agree yes we need parts for our Landys & yes I to have bought parts from the UK when there was nothing avalable here.
My veiw is if your here from overseas for a visit and happen to fall in "love" for a Landy or other vehicle than buy it take it home drive it and enjoy it :D

What my problem is people who go out pilaging early vehicles not only Landys but motor bikes, Minis, tractors to brake up and to sell the parts only to make a quick buck.
The thing is once the vehicle is butchered / broken up it is lost forever.

Yes some vehicles look like they have been parked out sea for years due to the rust in them & cant be rebuilt but there are top cond rust free vehicles that should be restored!

I have sceen many great Landys restored from a pile of junk in the cnr of a yard, but I have seen some over zelious "restores" distroy a very tidy and complete Landy just so their every day driver looks better.

I dont want to cause any aguments all I want to do is bring the matter to everyones attention.
Thats why we need to get the word out if you know of and old Landy tell some one here :D it could be just the vehicle their chasing.

[p38arover]

Second, looks like you don't even live in cooma as your new post suggests

His IP address is in the UK.

[disco2hse]

I say lets object to these robbers and their australian agents (and you know who you are) and try and keep what we have as future history for the young ones coming on

Right then me old son. Now you've said it ^

How are y'all going to secure what's left? Complain about them thievin' SOBs or come up with a plan that has some merit?

Property rights dictate that a person owns what they have paid for or have been gifted. Unlike NZ, Australia is not socialist and so there is little in the way of collective ownership although there is apparently a social or moral code that considers the collective ownership of cultural icons as valid. So until you have established a valid argument you aren't going to get far. As an example:

***Warning: This is hypothetical and is NOT how I feel about the situation***


Cars are not trains. Old trains that run are rare. Rare old trains that run are cultural icons. Cultural icons ought to be preserved for future generations. Cultural icons ought to be protected from export. Series 1 Land Rovers are old. Old Series 1 Land Rovers that run are not rare. Therefore Series 1 Land Rover are not cultural icons, should not be preserved for future generations, nor protected from export.

Until Old Series 1 Land Rovers become rare they will not become cultural icons. This may not be the case in specific instances, say a machine that was used in the Snowy Mountains and that has inarguable provenance. Until then there is little to argue against their stripping and removal from Australian shores.

You are going to need to convince a critical mass in order for there to be a general understanding that these machines are, in particular, worthy of recognition by Australians as a cultural icon.

[Scallops]

I have a very good mate in the Uk who has a large personal collection of Land rovers (in fact he is the second Largest Buyer Land rovers in the world )



Right behind Mrs double hatch, no doubt! :D

[vin16660088]

First time ive posted on this site for a while, from personal experience of bringing a series 1 over to Ireland from brisbane when it was half finished when it went into the container (along with the contents of a house), since actually completing the series 1 and running around with it on weekends its amazing how often i get asked how much i want for it, the answer of 12000 euro usually gives me the peace i want.

But it just goes to show the interest in them over this side of the world and the UK is even more insane and if there is a market for them over here i dont think much will stop it unless australian collectors start stock pilling cars and parts but that will drive up the price along with it.

Needless to say when i move back to OZ in 4 or 5 years time with the wife the landy (Dingo) and my latest project a BMW Isetta will both be making the trip back

[Lotz-A-Landies]

<snip> ...
Until Old Series 1 Land Rovers become rare they will not become cultural icons. This may not be the case in specific instances, say a machine that was used in the Snowy Mountains and that has inarguable provenance. Until then there is little to argue against their stripping and removal from Australian shores.

You are going to need to convince a critical mass in order for there to be a general understanding that these machines are, in particular, worthy of recognition by Australians as a cultural icon.You are correct in a lot of what you say, however the early Land Rovers have been an important of the post-war development of this broad land. We only have to look to Len Beadel, where the vehicles most often depicted are Series 1 Land Rovers, the Land Rover on a pole monument at Miles and as you said the vehicles used on the Snowy Mountains Scheme.

The issue, at least for the next decade or so is that 80" Landies can still be found in corners of farms right across the country. When this stock is exhausted then we may find that, at least for the 80", they become items of cultural significance. Although it may not happen in my lifetime but may well in Shonky's or longing4alandy's lifetimes.

[Reads90]

I don't think you lot under estatmant the price second hand S1 parts get in the Uk. also the rust factor or lack of it here in Aus . That makes alot of the S1 parts like new compaired to what you find in the Uk .


I have always wanted a S1 ever since i was a kid But could no where near afford one in the Uk . But they are very cheap here

[p38arover]

You are correct in a lot of what you say, however the early Land Rovers have been an important of the post-war development of this broad land. We only have to look to Len Beadel, where the vehicles most often depicted are Series 1 Land Rovers, the Land Rover on a pole monument at Miles and as you said the vehicles used on the Snowy Mountains Scheme.

Also look at this forum's interest in saving the Leyland Brothers' Land Rover.

[Landy Smurf]

Also look at this forum's interest in saving the Leyland Brothers' Land Rover.
exactly, that cost me $500 off my scholarship putting it on here.but i still think it was worth it as i know it has gone to an aulronian

[dobbo]

Vandalism, rape and pillage.


What is the difference between someone stripping and shipping them and you buying them all from everywhere in the country and hoarding them?


Just an observation

[disco2hse]

You are correct in a lot of what you say, however the early Land Rovers have been an important of the post-war development of this broad land. We only have to look to Len Beadel, where the vehicles most often depicted are Series 1 Land Rovers, the Land Rover on a pole monument at Miles and as you said the vehicles used on the Snowy Mountains Scheme.

Yes, those are additional specific instances but are not representative of the full stock of Old Series 1 Land Rovers that run. As you said, there are many still to be found in barns, old forestry blocks, backs of factories, etc. It is these that need your attention and they need it more than those that have been established at cultural icons already.

Saving five out of a hundred that are scrapped is not a great strike rate (5%). That's why you need to create a ground swell of sentiment and passion, which is what the concept of collective possession is based on. That's why you need to aim for a critical mass.

How about this for a start. Get hold of someone who makes doco's and inspire them to make a programme that features the iconic Series 1 Land Rover. Then get it aired on the tele. Lessee, 4WD Action, 4WDTV,...

[Lotz-A-Landies]

What is the difference between someone stripping and shipping them and you buying them all from everywhere in the country and hoarding them?


Just an observationJust how many series 1's do you think I have? Do you know how many parts of these, supposed hoarded vehicles, I have given away? That's right given, gratis and for free! This includes 1595 cc engines (plural), if that is hoarding then you have a different dictionary than me.

Diana

[groucho]

Simple fact. They don't make series 1's any more
NOS stock parts are getting scarce
Repro........... Well not too many are as good as NOS
Same old story supply and demand = $$$$$$$$$$$. Most of the series
Land Rovers from the 50's were bought on farms and worked like they were intended to do. they were generaly driven till it became uneconomical
and parked up. Generaly buying them off farms they ars going to need major
dollars to get them back near original condition.
Back to the first three lines of this thread. Mark

[dobbo]

Just how many series 1's do you think I have? Do you know how many parts of these, supposed hoarded vehicles, I have given away? That's right given, gratis and for free! This includes 1595 cc engines (plural), if that is hoarding then you have a different dictionary than me.

Diana

I'm not having a go at you, and I should have specified LR's and parts in general not specifically S1's.

You have a collection of Landies and military vehicles, surely you as I and many others have done in the past would have either traded, bartered or swapped some vehicles and/or rare parts. Occasionally you could have even profited in either goods, non taxable income or services. This guy is just doing it on a greater scale. As for the morality of the PTO, mistakes do happen, but unfortunately business people are occasionally immoral, they may get caught out eventually or they may just sink the profits. Ask yourself the question, how many honest professional (very loose term) auto recyclers have you ever known in your life? I haven't known any.

[series1buff]

A few years back.. I rang the well known LR place down here in Melbourne ..it's located at the opposite of WHITEBURN NORTH

I was bluntly told on the phone, after enquiring about series 1 parts:

" we strip down any series 1 we get and ship the good body parts ( e.g., unrusty bulkheads ) to the UK "

MIKE

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I'm not having a go at you, and I should have specified LR's and parts in general not specifically S1's.

<snip>

Ask yourself the question, how many honest professional (very loose term) auto recyclers have you ever known in your life? I haven't known any.If you consider people like Brian Danielson at Land Vehicle Spares, or Garry Gjerdy of CLR and a number of others as auto recyclers, I have known a few honest ones.

Even our mate "Tom the Pom" has probably recycled a few Land Rover bits that were destined for the scrap steel market and that means that there are a few Brit Landies with original firewalls (I won't call them bulkheads because that's a pommy term and they are officially "dash panels") that otherwise wouldn't be running around.

[lardy]

This makes me think that it would be prudent to squirrel away some rare examples of series 1 and series 2 with a view to collect one of each type of landy (issue being that as you get to defender you are investing serious cashola) as per dunsfold has this has proved to be of great benefit to people with series 1's to regenerate these into working vehicles by using examples.
I am guessing that this would be an expensive hobby and could be financed by breaking less historically important vehicles sad as it would be.
Sorry if this message offends anyones sensibilities i seem to have a knack so i am told

[bayrover]

Thats not "Tom the Pom" from Cooma is it???.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Thats not "Tom the Pom" from Cooma is it???.TTP has been known to inhabit Cooma, Melbourne, Perth and the antipodes (from the Oz perspective).

I don't think he is currently inhabiting Cooma ATM, or where he was when he first became a member of AuLRO. Only TTP can confirm that.

[Bigbjorn]

Regarding the morality or otherwise of wreckers. A good friend owns a five acre wrecking yard in what is now an inner suburb. his family first bought this land and a good bit else over a hundred years ago. His father started the wrecking business in 1955 and my mate bought the yard from him about 1980 as a going business. No favours either, he paid valuation. He is now preparing to retire. The tenant in the wrecking yard has ceased operating and is cleaning out his part of the yard. My mate kept a selection of older and more important vehicles when he first rented out the yard 18 years ago. He has been cleaning out his section in preparation for retirement for about 2-3 years. He had a number of vehicles from the late 30's to late 70's which were relatively complete and good restoration propositions. He advertised these extensively in the enthusiast magazines. I advertised some Land Rover panels on here. All he achieved was to sell two complete vehicles and his yard crane built on a 1940's IH tractor. He got lots of time wasters who wanted to cherry pick parts from the vehicles. His response was that he had ceased dismantling years before. The vehicles were for sale as is, as advertised. The price is a minimum of scrap value, make an offer. Those who didn't want to buy them are now castigating him for sending good restorers for scrap. They had their chances. Almost all have now disappeared into the blast furnaces of the Orient. The yard is up for sale and will become another brick and concrete desert of town houses.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

This makes me think that it would be prudent to squirrel away some rare examples ...<snip>Squirrelling takes a lot of space and you often end up with a lot of left-overs that nobody wants..

At times collections of parts including S1s and SIII V8s have been offered to me, I use my (and others) time, effort and fuel to collect then store the collections. Then there are the ones that I purchase and store. Parts for these are collected to make a complete vehicle and other bits distributed as required, the stage 1 going to at least 4 other enthusiasts, yet I still have collections of unwanted bits to store. With 80" bits I have given away a pair of long nose diffs, a 1948 air cleaner, 2 X 1595 cc engines 2 X 1997 cc engines, 2283 cc engine and even a 138 CID Holden grey engine, as well as other bits.

To me it is important that the bits go to where they are needed. In fact it seems that to make a good vehicle you need at least two vehicles; one from the coast with good body panels but rust in the chassis/firewall; and a vehicle from west of the ranges that has a rust free chassis and firewall but with panels that have been shaken to bits and cracked.

What really peeves me off is the removal of bits like firewalls from a restorable vehicle/chassis using a gas axe, rendering a chassis as a useless piece of metal that requires a lot of work to repair. It is often these firewalls that leave our shores.

Diana

[Tote]

Individual acts of bad faith aside there's nothing much that can be done about the export of Series 1s or bits thereof. I saw a similar situation in the muscle car scene where there was a ready market in the US for Falcon Hardtops following publicity generated by the Mad Max movies. Unlike Landrovers Falcon 2 doors start rusting once they leave the factory and the supply of parts and good restorers is now very scarce indeed.
The outcomes that happened there were that the exporters probably saved a lot of vehicles that would have been melted down as the overseas restorers were happy to rebuild from a lower standard base vehicle than locals. Also whilst it generated a lot of angst the total number of vehicles shipped overseas was very low in comparison to production totals anyway.
At the end of the day if you want it buy it and accept the fact that prices will go up due to market forces. It will only get worse if the dollar drops to 35p.

Regards,
Tote

[groucho]

Squirrelling takes a lot of space
Won't argue there.............