identification help

[shaunh]

hey all
im trying to identify my land rover
im led to believe its a late 1950's 80" model
i have some pictures but will have more tomorrow
and i cant seem to find any chassis number
only numbers ive found are on the insdie of the firewall
has a capstain winch and factory hardtop
its currently stripped down.

and my grandfather installed the blinkers on the fron there is also some on the back

[Landy Smurf]

so far i can say it is a 1954-58 86inch or 88

[dreamin']

G'day

I'd say it's an 88 inch, so 1956-58(?)

The number on the firewall should tell all. Go to www.clifton.nl/calvin.html (http://www.clifton.nl/calvin.html), type it in and presto.

Looks a great truck - great you have kept it in the family.

Cheers

[Lost Landy]

Wow nice and tidy, the chassis number should be on the rear most spring hanger on the LH side, good luck.

[JDNSW]

As above. I think it is an 86, 1954-56. Definitely not 80". The chassis number should be on both the plate that has transfer case lever instructions on the bulkhead immediately in front of the gearlever (could be missing or somewhere else) and on the LH rear spring hanger behind the rear wheel. In the unlikely event that it is fully imported, it could be on the RH front chassis. The number on the chassis will probably need to be cleaned up to see - possibly need to clean several layers of paint off. May be easier to see though just with the chassis wet.

John

[101RRS]

The radiator panel that the lights sit in is an 88" panel but the guard look as if they are 86"(and it is a bit hard to see). The little bolt head is close to the rear bottom wheel arch where an 88 should be a further 2" back. But it is a bit hard to see but the front is definitely 88. 3 holes in the panel (main air intake and one above each chassis rail) where an 86 has 5 holes.

Garry

[JDNSW]

The radiator panel that the lights sit in is an 88" panel but the guard look as if they are 86"(and it is a bit hard to see). The little bolt head is close to the rear bottom wheel arch where an 88 should be a further 2" back. But it is a bit hard to see but the front is definitely 88. 3 holes in the panel (main air intake and one above each chassis rail) where an 86 has 5 holes.

Garry

Unfortunately the radiator panel is interchangeable between the 86/88/107/109, so that is not really definitive. As you say, the mudguard is a bit unclear.

John

[101RRS]

Unfortunately the radiator panel is interchangeable between the 86/88/107/109, so that is not really definitive. As you say, the mudguard is a bit unclear.

John

And as we have seen recently even the mudguards cannot be used as 88 guards will go on 86's and it does not look strange. I think the measuring stick is required or the numbers.

Garry

[dennisS1]

" i cant seem to find any chassis number"
Have a look on the top of the left hand chassis rail near the front, just behind the front pannel. Front pannel is probably steel.
I would say 1956 86".
In your 1st Pic the Serial number plate can be seen in front of the gear stick, the number should be stamped on that.
Looks like the chassis has been repainted if the green is original then it must be a 1954 86".
Dennis

[gromit]

Dennis,
My '56 has a green chassis (well, faded back to the yellow etch primer in most places). Seems to be the original chassis.

When was the green painted chassis stopped ? Would the date be different for a CKD ?

Colin

[shaunh]

ok so i found the chassis number which is 7601317?
the car no. on the fire wall is 17760317
the body no. LRS 453
the serial no. 86/453
engine no. 212192?

plate on the side of the engine has
engine reconditioned by
replacement parts (N.S.W. DIV.) PTY LTD
LISMORE
job no.-7416 date-16 10 67
cyl size-+020? crank pins--010 main journ.-010

cant find G box number or axle number
i cant seem to make sense of that calvin site
can any one help me
will have pics up soon

[shaunh]

pics

[Lotz-A-Landies]

ok so i found the chassis number which is 7601317? (you are short a digit, I'll lay money that the chassis number starts with "1" and is the same as the number on the ID plate)
the car no. on the fire wall is 17760317
the body no. LRS 453
the serial no. 86/453
engine no. 212192? (Also missing digit/s here - is it a series II engine)

plate on the side of the engine has
engine reconditioned by
replacement parts (N.S.W. DIV.) PTY LTD (otherwise known as REPCO)
LISMORE
job no.-7416 date-16 10 67
cyl size-+020? crank pins--010 main journ.-010

cant find G box number or axle number
i cant seem to make sense of that calvin site
can any one help me
will have pics up soonMissing some digits above!

[shaunh]

more pics

[shaunh]

Missing some digits above!

yer is affected by surface rust couldnt read it properly
and the number on the firewall has two sevens

[JDNSW]

Looks to be in remarkably good overall condition from the photos.

Gearbox number should be on the top bit (bit with the square plate on top) of the main gearbox, on the RH side, running horizontally, just above the join to the main casing.

Axle numbers should be on top (but not right on top) of the axle, on the long side, from memory usually inboard of the breather.

John

[shaunh]

more pics

[Lotz-A-Landies]

yer is affected by surface rust couldnt read it properly
and the number on the firewall has two sevensAt work ATM and haven't got my books. So from memory:

Your pics are of an 86" and from late 1955 the 9 numbers were prefix 1766+5 for UK assembled and 1776+5 for CKD. In which case you are missing 2 digits and my guestimate of what you should have is 177601317

[shaunh]

Looks to be in remarkably good overall condition from the photos.

Gearbox number should be on the top bit (bit with the square plate on top) of the main gearbox, on the RH side, running horizontally, just above the join to the main casing.

Axle numbers should be on top (but not right on top) of the axle, on the long side, from memory usually inboard of the breather.

John

considering that it was used for beach from mid 70s its in remarkably good condition my mum recalls it being stripped down painted in tar and covered in fish oil. my grandfather washed it down and sprayed it in fish oil every week so thanks to him there is very little rust work to deal with

[bobslandies]

ok so i found the chassis number which is 7601317?
the car no. on the fire wall is 17760317
the body no. LRS 453
the serial no. 86/453


Shaunh,

Have another look at the plate on the firewall - is it possible the number could be 47760317?
This would make it a very early 1954 86"

Bob

[dreamin']

Curved bracing section on bulkhead under the bonnet near the coil, together with steel single-hole radiator panel and floor mounted dip switch all say 88 to me.

(one day rivet-counting will be an Olympic sport!)

[shaunh]

Shaunh,

Have another look at the plate on the firewall - is it possible the number could be 47760317?
This would make it a very early 1954 86"

Bob

its definently a 1

Shaun

[B.S.F.]

According to my L/R worshop manual 1948-58 17760317 is a 1955, 86" C.K.D.(completly knocked down)

[dreamin']

Shaunh

Do you have any photos showing the front section of the chassis where the bumper bar bolts on?

[shaunh]

i can take some now if you like
anything in particular you are lookin for??

[dreamin']

It seems the numbers and other bits of 'evidence' you are finding don't agree with each other.

It's not unusual for landies to have parts from several different models, but a good challenge to try and work out what it started life as.

If it is an 86 inch the chassis members will protrude a couple of inches past the front of the spring hanger. If 88 inch, they will be almost flush.

See what you can see

[shaunh]

the chassis number is on the chassis rail above the leaf hanger on the left rear
ill have another look soon

[shaunh]

here it is best i can do with my phone

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Shaun

Get a fine flat (wide) file and lightly file the LH end where the number is stamped. By removing some of the surface, you may be able to identify the remains of the missing digits.

Must be flat and ever so lightly, to not damage what's left.

[Landy Smurf]

just measure between the axles:p

[groucho]

Clean it up and rub some chalk into it and wipe it off
usually works.............

[shaunh]

Shaun

Get a fine flat (wide) file and lightly file the LH end where the number is stamped. By removing some of the surface, you may be able to identify the remains of the missing digits.

Must be flat and ever so lightly, to not damage what's left.

17760317

[dreamin']

CALVIN says


1Model year: unknown year code7Model: Land Rover, Series I, petrol7Body type: 107in, completely knocked down (CKD)6Destination: Right-hand drive (RHD), export market0317Serial number


Something odd here

Check the front bumper mounts

[shaunh]

CALVIN says


1Model year: unknown year code7Model: Land Rover, Series I, petrol7Body type: 107in, completely knocked down (CKD)6Destination: Right-hand drive (RHD), export market0317Serial number


Something odd here

Check the front bumper mounts

i have several times
i have found nothing as of yet
it should be going to the sandblaster in a week so time will reveal all

[dreamin']

You're not looking for a number on the front chassis members, just the shape of the 'dumb irons' where the bumper bolts on.

If it is an 86 inch the chassis members will protrude a couple of inches past the front of the spring hanger. If 88 inch, they will be almost flush.

If an 88, you'll know its vintage down to a couple of years, then maybe work backwards through the numbers riddle.

Also look out for rubber buffers above the wheel arch on the wings. On 88s they have reinforcing behind with spot welds visible on out outer skin, 86s don't (I think this is right)

[shaunh]

You're not looking for a number on the front chassis members, just the shape of the 'dumb irons' where the bumper bolts on.

If it is an 86 inch the chassis members will protrude a couple of inches past the front of the spring hanger. If 88 inch, they will be almost flush.

If an 88, you'll know its vintage down to a couple of years, then maybe work backwards through the numbers riddle.

Also look out for rubber buffers above the wheel arch on the wings. On 88s they have reinforcing behind with spot welds visible on out outer skin, 86s don't (I think this is right)
what are these 'wings' you speak of?

and ill go have a look at the front mounts now

[shaunh]

im kinda confused

[Lost Landy]

im kinda confused

Going by the photo of that dumb iron you have a 86" :p

[dreamin']

OK - hang in there

The dumb irons extending forward of the chassis mounts, shown in your photo, suggest this is an 86 inch chassis.

The bulkhead and radiator panel look like they come from an 88 inch model. They are interchangeable and do the same job, so no problem, but bulkeah and chassis numbers may not match up. Again, not an issue.

The wings are the mudguard body panels - yours are removed. They had little rubber buffers on the sides above the wheel arches to stop the doors damaging them when fully open. Buffers were mounted differently on 86 and 88 inch models.

Anyway - your landy looks really complete and comes with a long history and lots of memories - far more important than matching numbers.

Enjoy it

[shaunh]

OK - hang in there

The dumb irons extending forward of the chassis mounts, shown in your photo, suggest this is an 86 inch chassis.

The bulkhead and radiator panel look like they come from an 88 inch model. They are interchangeable and do the same job, so no problem, but bulkeah and chassis numbers may not match up. Again, not an issue.

The wings are the mudguard body panels - yours are removed. They had little rubber buffers on the sides above the wheel arches to stop the doors damaging them when fully open. Buffers were mounted differently on 86 and 88 inch models.

Anyway - your landy looks really complete and comes with a long history and lots of memories - far more important than matching numbers.

Enjoy it

thanks i was just trying to figure out what yr model and wheelbase it was
all i care about is getting it back on the road so my grandfather can see it:(

[Lotz-A-Landies]

what are these 'wings' you speak of?

and ill go have a look at the front mounts nowAs is often stated - aeroplanes have wings, boats have fenders and Land Rovers have mudguards.

At least in Australia they have mudguards! :D ;)

Diana

[ellard]

Sorry Diana


At least in Australia they have mudguards! :D ;)


For some reason I still call them wings........

Wayne

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Sorry Diana

For some reason I still call them wings........

WayneWayne, it's all those Land Rover fire engines flying down the road that has you confused with aircraft! :D

Diana

P.S. O.K. I accept that Land Rover has called them wings in the parts catalogue, but if we are going to get technical we must use the technical name from the manual for everything. So no firewalls nor bulkheads, no tarps nor tilts etc! :angel:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Shaun

Get a fine flat (wide) file and lightly file the LH end where the number is stamped. By removing some of the surface, you may be able to identify the remains of the missing digits.

Must be flat and ever so lightly, to not damage what's left.17760317Shaun (am at home with my books now)

If it is 17760317 with the first digit definitely a "1" it is a 1955 86" but you are still missing a digit.

If we go back to where you told us the number you from the ID plate etc, on the chassis number there was a "1" between the "0" and the "3". If you inspect the chassis number again, could it be 177601317?

This would give us the correct sequence of nine digits and be a 1955 86" and may I say one of the better models with machined screw locks for the windows etc, before they started on the downward slope lead by the bean counter's drive to cut costs and drive efficiency. (die-cast instead of machined etc)

Diana

[shaunh]

hey
Sorry bout that yes there is another 1 in there

[shaunh]

hey
Sorry bout that yes there is another 1 in there

[dennisS1]

Have to agree with the man from SA they are wings.
From the first pics it looked like an 86 and I have seen a number of late 1955models with the steel front panel.
It’s a wonderful thing that there is 20 ways of telling the difference between a 86" and a 88" and if you are working of a photo this is good, but if you are there a tape is also handy.
Dennis

[back_in]

gee
what can I say
Wayne is always low flying
can not run fast enough to get off the deck
sorry mate
they are mudguards, when it rains in your neck of the woods
the mud sticks to them
cheers
Ian