Cops chasing crims

[clean32]

having just seen on the news that there were 9 cop chases on Friday night, Saturday morning in Adelaide alone.

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[Panda]

Maybe if there weren't so many crims ... there wouldn't be so many chases :D


having just seen on the news that there were 9 cop chases on friday night, saterday moring in adelaide alone.

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[d@rk51d3]

Maybe if there weren't so many crims ... there wouldn't be so many chases :D

Well, maybe we should start thinning them out. :)

Love the line from Robocop........... BOOM! "Thank you for your co-operation"

[Panda]

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:You've got my vote!



Well, maybe we should start thinning them out. :)

Love the line from Robocop........... BOOM! "Thank you for your co-operation"

[MickS]

I know that there is a fair amount of tongue-in-cheek re. this thread. But there are some sobering facts to consider....

Toddler killed in police chase - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/01/2783709.htm)

Someone in another similarly themed thread mentioned "collateral damage.." unfortunately, the fall out from such pursuits can, and does, lead to innocent people being killed or seriously injured. To have that hanging over you as a member of the public, let alone a police officer in the execution of his or her duty - is something nobody would want. A mate of mine, an ex-copper, did time in Berrima as a result of a pursuit that went wrong.

I have real concerns in relation to police pursuits regarding stolen motor vehicles and what, in the judicial system, may be deemed as a minor offence/s.

I can offer no answer as to what should or can be done...there are so many factors involved....suffice to say that it is an onerous responsibility - often placed on very young shoulders.

[clean32]

eather way the cops should be suported and not baged when thay get it wrong.

Russia, 15 years ago the bus had an honisty box. theft was basicly unknowen

today its like this

Man shot after refusing to give up train seat - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/19/2851291.htm)

personal exsperiance, take the rubbish out to the rubbish skip. and theres a beaten up 14 year old girl dumped in there, she died about midday. 6 months later a 21 year old girl

[OrangeZXr10R]

I'm just wondering how many bystanders are killed in America through car chases there ?
I'm sure you guys would have plenty of footage from the states.

I think they have the right idea and tactics.
I know that I would certainly do as I was told if I lived there and they said "stop" !!

[Slunnie]

having just seen on the news that there were 9 cop chases on Friday night, Saturday morning in Adelaide alone.

as suggested time to vote
Let them do what they've got to do. They're the professionals that we all rely on to make the place safe. They can make their own professional decisions, they don't need me to tell them what to do or the public to cripple them (and then whinge that they cant do anything).

[THE BOOGER]

Having a no chase or early termination policy will only encourage the hard crims as they know they will get away it will also encourage people who might now think twice into having a go as they can get away easy.:mad: At the moment its up to the driver and duty officer in police radio to make the decision leave it up to them with some broad guidelines and the pollies should spend some more tax dollars on helo time to help:)

[Sleepy]

I've got to agree with Mick S and Slunnie. There is a real risk of innocent people being injured, not to mention the coppers themselves, who put their lives at risk.

They need to have the flexibility to make a decision based on the circumstances. There are times where it would be appropriate to pursue, others to fall back and monitor. It all depends on the resources, conditions, weather, ....etc etc.

Unfortunately split second decisions are later dissected and criticised by investigators. Everything is easy in hindsight.

If the coppers were given the training and authority to match their accountability then they would be able to think a lot clearer in these circumstances.

Support you local sheriff!:coplight:


P.S. It's "Quiche"

[Chucaro]

What it is the good in chasing and cought them when our LAW is a Joke :(
We must change the law and "export" the bastards to jails in Indonesia or China and then there will be not more chasing :mad:

[groucho]

We don't have to export them. We have to make them like the ones overseas
Take away all the tv's and goodies. Make it a crap place to be in. They might think twice before they book in for their next holliday. Oh i forgot about the civil libberty groups. Oh well........

[Slunnie]

We don't have to export them. We have to make them like the ones overseas
Take away all the tv's and goodies. Make it a crap place to be in. They might think twice before they book in for their next holliday. Oh i forgot about the civil libberty groups. Oh well........
Bah, a prisoner surrenders his rights as a citizen as far as I'm concerned. If the prisoner valued these rights then he wouldn't be in there in the first place. The prisons should take the Chinese perspective - you can lobby and carry on all you like, but we will run the prison how we see fit. Perhaps they could burn Civil Libertarians to keep the prisoners warm during winter. :D

[groucho]

Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=sheriff_bio)
A good read

[MickS]

Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=sheriff_bio)
A good read

I saw the documentary on his Tent City gaol in Arizona....excellent.

[rocket scientist]

We don't have to export them. We have to make them like the ones overseas
Take away all the tv's and goodies. Make it a crap place to be in. They might think twice before they book in for their next holliday. Oh i forgot about the civil libberty groups. Oh well........

You got in one. I like Slunnies idea best. Trouble is most of the civil libertarians are also green and probably wouldn't burn that well!

Another tragedy overnight in Canberra, but once again the low life scum at channel 7 have to point the finger at the police.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

no chase, keash eaters rule, cops should wear pink and say loudly PleaseWhat's a "keash"? or "keash eater"? :confused: :confused: :confused:



Maybe if there weren't so many crims ... there wouldn't be so many chasesWell, maybe we should start thinning them out. :)

Love the line from Robocop........... BOOM! "Thank you for your co-operation"If we didn't have any criminals, then we'd have a huge unemployment problem with all the tough guy's like Police and screws roaming the streets and then there'd be the criminal Lawyers out of work, what would they do? Become car salesmen, real estate agents and politicians??? :(

I think I'd rather have the criminals occupying the time of people working in Police, courts and prisons!

[groucho]

That's a good point The economy would probably collapse......
Back to plan A.......

[Chucaro]

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If we didn't have any criminals, then we'd have a huge unemployment problem with all the tough guy's like Police and screws roaming the streets and then there'd be the criminal Lawyers out of work, what would they do? Become car salesmen, real estate agents and politicians??? :(

I think I'd rather have the criminals occupying the time of people working in Police, courts and prisons!

:eek::confused:

I cannot belive it have to be something wrong with your breakfast :(

[d@rk51d3]

What's a "keash"? or "keash eater"? :confused: :confused: :confused:


Read Sleepy's post again..................... last line.

[MickS]

They've got the problem licked in Reno...

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/H/d/O/reno911miami4.jpg

[groucho]

Legs go all the way up to her armpits Wow...........

[Ferret]

Family of 3 killed after police pursuit last night: 20/03/10 22:00 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/21/2851669.htm)

Let the recriminations begin. The original crime will be forgotten. The media focus will be on the police to justify themselves and the family of the dead scum bag will be telling the media what a "good kid he was".

I'm not saying there should be no questions asked in these sorts of cases but from the questions will come no real solutions either. I'd hate to be a cop - damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[MickS]

Family of 3 killed after police pursuit last night: 20/03/10 22:00 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/21/2851669.htm)

Let the recriminations begin. The original crime will be forgotten. The media focus will be on the police to justify themselves and the family of the dead scum bag will be telling the media what a "good kid he was".

I'm not saying there should be no questions asked in these sorts of cases but from the questions will come no real solutions either. I'd hate to be a cop - damned if you do, damned if you don't.

There are a couple of other things to be considered...the moment a person is stopped, detained etc or is under the belief they can no longer come and go under their own free will - they are deemed to be "in custody". It follows then, that if a driver of a motor vehicle is directed to stop, and refuses to do so - he/she is in custody.

Therefore, given the pursuit that ended in the deaths as hyperlinked above...they are "deaths in custody." A term police and politicians hate to hear...but snivel libertarians and their vocal minority love.

I read the pursuit was terminated by the police giving chase when the driver of the stolen car ran a red light. It makes no difference, as those officers will now have to live through what has happened...they will be poked, probed, reamed, analysed and questioned to the nth degree...and at some point in time, will have to try to come back to work..unless of course the government wants a scapegoat...which has happened plenty of times before...

[clean32]

ffod for thought. we have a few cops on here, is there anyone from the media??

[THE BOOGER]

cops admitt their jobs ever heard some one say they are from the media unless they are trying to get in where they shouldnt be?:p

[Sleepy]

ffod for thought. we have a few cops on here, is there anyone from the media??

No, but a few from the ME-dia. :p

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Read Sleepy's post again..................... last line.Ah the food! I thought it was some new jargon I was unfamiliar with. (I'd give examples but don't want to upset the swear filter.)

Diana

[rmp]

I agree with the view that it must be up to the professional judgement of the police involved.

While any accidents need to be investigated and amends made, I'm one of those who gets angry with armchair critics after the fact who have the time to pick over the details in 20/20 hindsight.

[MickS]

I agree with the view that it must be up to the professional judgement of the police involved.

While any accidents need to be investigated and amends made, I'm one of those who gets angry with armchair critics after the fact who have the time to pick over the details in 20/20 hindsight.

Yes, and unfortunately, that is the plight of the working police officer. They make decisions - often life altering for those involved - in a split second, only to have that decision placed under the microscope by any number of internal and external agencies. Depending upon which state you are in - professional standards, ombudsman, integrity commissions, the coroner and so on - all who have the benefit of hindsight aka 20/20 vision.

[rmp]

Yes, and unfortunately, that is the plight of the working police officer. They make decisions - often life altering for those involved - in a split second, only to have that decision placed under the microscope by any number of internal and external agencies. Depending upon which state you are in - professional standards, ombudsman, integrity commissions, the coroner and so on - all who have the benefit of hindsight aka 20/20 vision.

Yes and what's worse is that the investigation often as not appears to be driven by emotion and politics, not so much learning from the result. That is the crying shame and I have every sympathy for the guys whose careers are wrecked as a result...and those who get all holier-than-thou judgemental when in fact had circumstances been slightly different it could have been them.

Just to be clear I think any serious accident, whether police are involved or not should be investigated. This is the way it is done in aviation, but there is a distinct lack of similar stats for road accidents, and if the stats do not exist then it is not possible to make informed decisions about prevention.

In aviation even a "near miss" (misnomer, I know) or potential problem is analysed even if no harm came of it. We can't go that far with roads, but we could go a lot further than we do now and while it'll cost, what price a saved life and the cost to the community of yet another smash on the roads.

Off soapbox now, someone else can stand up.

[MickS]

Back in the 80's i was involved in a very short pursuit with a motorcyclist, who had a pillion passenger. Long story short, when I picked up his helmet, it was unusually heavy...that's when I realised his head had been seperated from his shoulders, and his body was 20 metres away...all because he failed to stop when indicated...

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

I've got to agree with Mick S and Slunnie. There is a real risk of innocent people being injured, not to mention the coppers themselves, who put their lives at risk.

They need to have the flexibility to make a decision based on the circumstances. There are times where it would be appropriate to pursue, others to fall back and monitor. It all depends on the resources, conditions, weather, ....etc etc.

Unfortunately split second decisions are later dissected and criticised by investigators. Everything is easy in hindsight.

If the coppers were given the training and authority to match their accountability then they would be able to think a lot clearer in these circumstances.

Support you local sheriff!:coplight:


P.S. It's "Quiche"

Also brings up the fact that if you join the Police, Fire or for that matter Army, Navy and Airforce, if you arent prepared to risk yourself then why the hell did you join in the first place. Thats why your there. If thats not what your there for, then do the right thing and leave as its the inability to make a split second decision or to deliberate with a lack of confidence in your final decision that aids "collateral" damage.

They have a job to do and there are varying ways of doing it, but pussy footing around being politically correct doesnt stop a stolen car, burglary, assault, murder etc etc.

Pursuits in particular, the "nudge" move applied by the California and other US state police departments is a proven way to stop a pursuit as is the guidance method they use to steer a pursuit to an open highway or area where the general populus is at a minimum should it go pear shaped.

Good example is the clown over here last week with the chase that resulted in 3 car jacks and a chase that lasted several hours. Police did nothing more than follow him as thats all they can do and if it gets to 150kmh, they have to abort.
Had two "locals" in a stolen car in traffic a few years ago in Osborne Park while heading home. These two came flogging up the side of Hutton st just before the Freeway Nth on ramp. Couldn't get around as it sloped away, so they just raced down the side, thru a fence and into a car park. Car copped a hammering and it broke something as the front wheels were pointing different directions. Meanwhile, cop cant get thru, no one moved for him and I'm madly trying to get his attention and pointing to where they are.
I contemplated dropping over the edge and pinning the car up with the bullbar but if I rammed the stolen car to try and stop them, I would be responsible for the insurance on the car and any damaged property and could also be brought up on charges of reckless endangerment etc etc.....
Its a sad state of affairs.....

In the words of the Great Ted Bullpitt "Someone should blow car thieves up..!"
Thats my vote. :BigThumb::bat:

Cheers

Andrew

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

ffod for thought. we have a few cops on here, is there anyone from the media??

Thats an interesting question..... what , no takers......????