i think i have been ripped off

[steve_35]

I bought a second hand engine from a place in QLD i also asked for a MAF to suit $2175

Firstly the engine arrives without the MAF so i had to ring them up ask them to send it out

No dramas they said its in the mail

When it gets here it is damaged beyond use so i sent them an email saying the item was damaged

I will copy the email they sent me in return

hI
iF i HAVE ANOTHER I WILL SEND,

tHE UNIT WAS PART OF THE SALE NOT EXTRA TO THE MOTOR..

SO i WILL SEE WHAT I HAVE AROUND HERE............

REGS

Now i get the impression that he is trying to say its not covered by warranty by the looks of this email

So i decide to check the engine they had sent me

Pulled of the rocker covers and it is full of sludge this engine is meant to be 105000k motor but by the looks of it its never had an oil change EVER
there is carbon build up on the valves the sludge is half an inch deep in the heads


I am considering just pulling it apart and having a good look
but if do that i loose what warranty i do have witch isn't much by the look of it



Any suggestions

[banjo]

Send it back & get them to rebuild it under warranty or replace it...

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

You did buy a secondhand engine so really it comes down to how much info you asked for on the engine. You should have asked for pics to show the state of it, a pic showing the engine number, remove rocker cover and take a pic of the inside etc.
You have to do your homework particularly if it's a private sale. If you start uncovering issues then private or trader, you get bargaining power.
Pics will also show what your getting and support damage claims or if something other than what you asked for was supplied.
Despite being 105k old, it may not neccesarily be the sellers fault it's never had an oil change either.
If you payed the coin for it without asking for proof of what you are buying, you can't really expect much from the seller.
The sellers hasn't misappropriated anything, I just don't think you bargained enough for what you got. And being secondhand, he doesn't have to rebuild it either.

Cheers

[steve_35]

I wouldn't expect a rebuild that would be a bit ridiculous

I did buy from a reputable seller i thought plenty of communication via email prior to purchase about 6 emails and a phone call

As for asking for pictures from a wrecker of the inside of an engine
Could you disassemble and take pictures please (you cant be serious)

I know without asking what they would say

But when the MAF arrived broken it got me thinking

[Blknight.aus]

yep, purchased second hand not reconditioned so as it comes out of the donor vehicle is as you get it.

the MAF deal welll.... ummmm yeah......

some wreckers think that because its part of the engine management that it stays with the ECU and harness

other wreckers think that a swap over engine includes all the engine management gear including the ECU and Harness but they generally charge more.

The MAF may have been damaged in transport... or the Appy may have broken it and posted it before the boss could find out.

in any event good luck with it.

[mike 90 RR]

I did buy from a reputable seller i thought plenty of communication via email prior to purchase about 6 emails and a phone call

Could you disassemble and take pictures please (you cant be serious)

But when the MAF arrived broken it got me thinking

Steve

Take some photos of the .......
The overall motor
The engine number
The sludge ... complete with a ruler showing the depth of it
The MAF and the packaging that it came in

Make sure your camera is in a Macro setting for close up's

Now bung up a Email with the pictures pasted on it ... Be careful of the MB size of the Email .. or it won't be delivered ... keep it to 1.5MB

Just "politely" state your case ... that the motor described, appears not be the one that was delivered ..... do not abuse them.



Mike

[steve_35]

I did ask for a MAF and there price was for both

Im not going to jump up and down about the engine till i have fitted it i cant see them selling a dodgy motor intentionally and accidents do happen

[steve_35]

My email then the reply


Thanks for the reply

What exactly do you mean buy it was part of the sale not extra to the motor ?


I asked for a quote for an engine and airflow meter in good working order not just the engine i was quite specific and you quoted for both items $2175 delivered witch is a fair price for both items

As you can see in the pictures it is damaged beyond use and it was sent that way as there is no broken off bit in the box

Thanks
Steve

Does anyone see abuse in that email this was his reply

HI STEVE

I HAVE SENT A REPLACEMENT..AS OF YESTERDAY

SO WATCH YOUR TONE ...

I WOULD NOT SOLD THE MOTOR FOR LESS THAN $2100
THE AMM IS USUALLY $275.00
IN THIS CASE I PUT IT IN AS A PART OF THE SALE AT NO VALUE DETERMINED.

$2175.00 INCLUDED FRT AND AMM AND MOTOR

I HOPE IT ALL WORKS OUT.

LET ME KNOW HOW THE MOTOR GOES.......

regards

Bit of double talk here
first he said
I WOULD NOT SOLD THE MOTOR FOR LESS THAN $2100
THE AMM IS USUALLY $275.00
IN THIS CASE I PUT IT IN AS A PART OF THE SALE AT NO VALUE DETERMINED.
then straight away
$2175.00 INCLUDED FRT AND AMM AND MOTOR

[steve_35]

Wrong way round

[cal415]

Is that 2100 for a 3.9 v8? you could get a whole disco for that.....

[loanrangie]

Install the motor and get it running before you can the seller, sludge is common in rover v8's as it tends to gather in the heads and not drain effectively back into the sump, i fixed that on mine with a die grinder by cleaning up the casting around the drain holes.

[steve_35]

Like this bad

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/371.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/372.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/373.jpg

[steve_35]

I have just sent them an email with the pictures

[mike 90 RR]

Looks like a 14 year old motor to me ... you did buy a 1996 engine
IMHO The sludge indicates a lot of short drives on a 105k motor

Mike
;)

[p38arover]

Like this bad

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/371.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/372.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/373.jpg

That looks like water/oil mix.

[justinc]

That looks like water/oil mix.

Yes, very much so:(

JC

[loanrangie]

That looks like water/oil mix.

Does to me too :eek:. Thats not normal sludge, thats fooked i'd say.

[Blknight.aus]

but but but....

its not caramel.....


it could still be ok if its an engine from a vehicle thats drowned the electrics while running underwater and the vehicles been written off that way...

(we really need a sarcasm font)


do any of the rockers/rods look busted up? hows the oil in the sump?...

[mike 90 RR]

(we really need a sarcasm font)



https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

Does it work for you???

:)

[steve_35]

You found my teeth

[Blknight.aus]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=23877&stc=1&d=1269579488

Does it work for you???

:)


not really, thats a graphic, not a font.

[dullbird]

how do you have a sarcasm font?

or do you mean an emoticon

[Blknight.aus]

This is the arial black font, Its pretty Identifiable
This is fixed system font its also easily identifiable

to paraphrase from the matrix.

There is no sarcasm font.

[bblaze]

This is the arial black font, Its pretty Identifiable
This is fixed system font its also easily identifiable

to paraphrase from the matrix.

There is no sarcasm font.
I had over 10000 fonts when sign writing but never had a sarcasm font, maybe use wing dings
cheers
blaze

[rijidij]

http://www.hk94.com/hk/public/style_emoticons/default/sarcasm_on.gif http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/puzzlessue/Emoticons/Speak%20or%20Sign/insertsarcasmhere.gif https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/358.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/359.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/03/360.jpg

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

I wouldn't expect a rebuild that would be a bit ridiculous

I did buy from a reputable seller i thought plenty of communication via email prior to purchase about 6 emails and a phone call

As for asking for pictures from a wrecker of the inside of an engine
Could you disassemble and take pictures please (you cant be serious)

I know without asking what they would say

But when the MAF arrived broken it got me thinking

yep, serious. Bought and sold god knows how many engines in my years in the engine game. No need to disassemble, just remove rocker cover as this can tell you a lot about the overall condition of the engine by the internal cleanliness of it.
As I used to import truck engines, we asked for this as a way of determining what were to be rebuilds and what were good secondhands before we spent $100k on them and got them over here. You would be surprised at the amount of high mileage engines that were clean as a whistle and low k's that were shot. All comes down to maintenance.

Cheers

Andrew

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

That looks like water/oil mix.

Yep, that's water and oil emulsified.
Either a leaking liner, head gasket or runs so short, it's never heated up enough to evaporate any moisture but that's the least likely of the three by a longshot.

Cheers

Andrew

[cal415]

That sludge reminds me of my old DEAD 3.5 v8 from my 85 county... except yours is milkyish.....

[worane]

All I can say is I'm glad it is not mine.
Good lick.

[p38arover]

5 years to reply, Worane? :D

[ramblingboy42]

Well , sometimes you have to think about what you are going to post........

[BMKal]

All I can say is I'm glad it is not mine.
Good lick.


5 years to reply, Worane? :D

Just getting the taste of it ............................... :p:p:p

[PAT303]

Brian,this thread has been on topic for five years,please don't thread drift. Pat

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Did the story have a Happy Ending?

[superquag]

I have my doubts ( end of story ? )

A quick check shows he hasn't posted since 2011. - or maybe I've mis ed something - quite possible!

Or maybe the whole episode depressed him so much that he gave up on Land Rovers and went and bought a..... !:eek:

I've sent him an on-line message asking about the Final Chapter.

James in Gosnells

( yes, ok, - too much time on my hands..:D:D:D.)

[Greatsouthernland]

Did the story have a Happy Ending?

Clearly he's still trying to fit the engine, you know how these projects go...give the man time. :D

(his location is Area 52 perhaps he's been busy entertaining the guests, so this engine debacle isn't his first shafting?)

[vnx205]

Well , sometimes you have to think about what you are going to post........

However sometimes it is obvious that people haven't thought at all before they posted. :D:D:D

[spudboy]

Well , sometimes you have to think about what you are going to post........

That reply made me laugh! :D

[Pedro_The_Swift]

However sometimes it is obvious that people haven't thought at all before they posted. :D:D:D

yea,
but this ones the kicker,,;):D

[wollomi1962]

Listen to Mike. Sounds like he is speaking from experience. The "do not abuse them" is very sound advice.
Good luck, Wollomi.

[worane]

Yes I have been told several times I can be a little slow!!!
Trouble with me is I don't look at the dates on post enough.
At least it gave you something to comment on.!!!
Cheers Nick.