defect notice

[weeds]

i have had one since the early 90's when i was a hoon

dept of transport had a blitz on in sandgate pulling up six cars at a time, i got done for fishing rod holder on the bullbar and a warning for no front number plate (the number plate has been off since march 2008, i told them it fell off on the weekend). i'm glad he stopped looking after the first fault, all six cars got booked for something. not sure what else they would have found but i'm guessing there would be a few things on my rig

buggered if i can see how i can pay my fine electronically, will have another look at the ticket

$60 and no points

[incisor]

yep, heard about it from the lady that comes cleaning cars around here..

she got done for a bucket load of things totaling over $500

to say she was unhappy wouldn't do it justice :p

[mike_beecham]

Hi all,
I got done 2 years back for having a HF antenna on the front bar of the Defender. Old mate pulled me up at 2.00am in Drouin. Got out his 'kit' that included a digital measurement device. The antenna was deemed a 'visual impedance' as well as being a 'danger to pedestrians' and too'large in diameter'. Hmmm.

Defected on the spot. No points.
Removed the offending 'dangerous antenna'.
VicRoads removed the defect.
All sweet.

Turn out at school sports the following week and St John ambo has one mounted on their Vito van at kneee level far further forward than mine was....hmmm.

Oh well.....


Beechy

[midal]

Beechy

That sounds a bit rough.....I can understand the "visual impedance" issue (don't necessarily agree with it though) but what were some of the other issues about it?

I'd hazard a guess and say that a LOT of us have various ariels on bars etc.

Cheers
Mick

[The ho har's]

Hi all,
I got done 2 years back for having a HF antenna on the front bar of the Defender. Old mate pulled me up at 2.00am in Drouin. Got out his 'kit' that included a digital measurement device. The antenna was deemed a 'visual impedance' as well as being a 'danger to pedestrians' and too'large in diameter'. Hmmm.

Defected on the spot. No points.
Removed the offending 'dangerous antenna'.
VicRoads removed the defect.
All sweet.

Turn out at school sports the following week and St John ambo has one mounted on their Vito van at kneee level far further forward than mine was....hmmm.

Oh well.....


Beechy


Yeah I have heard of that one...our radio tech tells we are legal with a taped antenna on the bull bar....though we never drive around with the antenna attached at home;)


Mrs hh:angel:

[Blknight.aus]

do what I do, drive an old car and carry the ADR's relevent to the vehicles age....


lights, horn, brakes and tread depth, pretty much everything else is an optional extra, Including the windows.

[mike 90 RR]

pretty much everything else is an optional extra, Including the windows.

... but will you get done for not having "engineers cert for the modifications" :p

:confused:

:eek:

[mike_beecham]

Hi
Well...l think he bored and saw me and pounced. Even the VicRoads officer said l was a bit un-lucky (but the hwy patrol were right by law).

It was only on as l had just purchased a new bullbar and we had been making up a bracket for the HF antenna during the day; otherwise, yes - it is not on when driving around town.

Moved on from HF radios - run with SatPhones now so it not an issue. Far more reliable, cheaper, most people can use them (great in an emergency) and now industry standard in my field of work.

Beechy

[Blknight.aus]

... but will you get done for not having "engineers cert for the modifications" :p

:confused:

:eek:

nahh, the 160l fuel tank and the compressor tend to get a few more questions.

[The ho har's]

do what I do, drive an old car and carry the ADR's relevent to the vehicles age....


lights, horn, brakes and tread depth, pretty much everything else is an optional extra, Including the windows.


yep you are right about that and even a roof is optional extra with mine;):D


Ms hh:angel:

[banjo]

do what I do, drive an old car and carry the ADR's relevent to the vehicles age....


lights, horn, brakes and tread depth, pretty much everything else is an optional extra, Including the windows.


I do that plus i have all my engineers papers for everything done to it...

[Bigbjorn]

i have had one since the early 90's when i was a hoon

dept of transport had a blitz on in sandgate pulling up six cars at a time, i got done for fishing rod holder on the bullbar and a warning for no front number plate (the number plate has been off since march 2008, i told them it fell off on the weekend). i'm glad he stopped looking after the first fault, all six cars got booked for something. not sure what else they would have found but i'm guessing there would be a few things on my rig

buggered if i can see how i can pay my fine electronically, will have another look at the ticket

$60 and no points

Oh, poo! are they restarting that caper. I watched one of those random inspection stings on Old Cleveland Rd. Carina a few years ago. On a stretch of road where they were out of sight of approaching trafficand there were no turn-offs.Same place used regularly by RBT's. I soon worked out the system. Any car with visible damage or faults was flagged in as was any car over about 10 years old. Police checked rego and licence and of course for any fines or warrants, whilst a Transport Inspector quickly eyeballed the tyres and body rust. Bald tyres, rust, obvious defects and the vehicle was moved over to an area where the Transport guys had a good look. Outcomes were:- allowed to drive away but had to get defects fixed and an RWC obtained; allowed to drive away but defects to be fixed and the vehicle presented to a QT inspection station ("over the pits"); or not to be driven and to be removed by towing, defects repaired, and presented to a QT station for inspection. I don't know if fines and points applied.

[Stuck]

A little while ago we had one of those but with a twist. It was a long weekend and we had the police at one of our busier boat ramps checking trailers for rego and defects, checking serial numbers on trailers, boats and outboards and doing RBTs. They were accompanied by the NSW waterways checking boat rego's and safety gear. From what I was told they were kept fairly busy writing.

[PhilipA]

When I see some of the manure boxes on the road in Queensland I wonder why they do not have annual inspections like in NSW.

While the NSW system is not perfect it would still catch thousands of Queensland cars if not tens of thousands.

While defects are not often the primary cause of accidents, I would still rather be on the road with cars with brakes that work and tyres that grip.
Regards Philip A

[Bigbjorn]

When I see some of the manure boxes on the road in Queensland I wonder why they do not have annual inspections like in NSW.

While the NSW system is not perfect it would still catch thousands of Queensland cars if not tens of thousands.

While defects are not often the primary cause of accidents, I would still rather be on the road with cars with brakes that work and tyres that grip.
Regards Philip A

Just a many piles of pus on the road in NSW as in any other state. When I was in the used car trade I never had any problem getting RWC tickets in either state from private sector examiners. NSW motor registries were another story. These seemed to be staffed by pedantic iceholes. I would opine that there are more and worse rusty cars in NSw than anywhere else in the country in spite of annual inspections.

[Hymie]

Hi all,
I got done 2 years back for having a HF antenna on the front bar of the Defender. Old mate pulled me up at 2.00am in Drouin. Got out his 'kit' that included a digital measurement device. The antenna was deemed a 'visual impedance' as well as being a 'danger to pedestrians' and too'large in diameter'. Hmmm.

Defected on the spot. No points.
Removed the offending 'dangerous antenna'.
VicRoads removed the defect.
All sweet.

Turn out at school sports the following week and St John ambo has one mounted on their Vito van at kneee level far further forward than mine was....hmmm.
Oh well.....
Beechy


Geeez Beechy, sounds like you Roger Vansitart on a bad night.
How do you reckon my Disco would go with the Shovel on the Bullbar, HF, UHF Antennae and Driving lights?

[abaddonxi]

Got pinged by the inspectors in the carpark of the Katoomba Coles. Same deal, they picked on anything over ten years old or hadn't been washed recently.

I had a Subaru L wagon at the time, bought it for the rego, and it wasn't perfect. They looked and looked, I think they ended up with a seatbelt, a creacked indicator lens, and a tiny spot of rust in the door pillar. Off to Pick and Payless and out with the bog. cost more for the paperwork than the repairs.

Seemed a lot like they were working to a target.

Subaru later returned to the Pick and Payless, by the time it got there half the car was Pick and Payless parts.:D

[CraigE]

Hi all,
I got done 2 years back for having a HF antenna on the front bar of the Defender. Old mate pulled me up at 2.00am in Drouin. Got out his 'kit' that included a digital measurement device. The antenna was deemed a 'visual impedance' as well as being a 'danger to pedestrians' and too'large in diameter'. Hmmm.

Defected on the spot. No points.
Removed the offending 'dangerous antenna'.
VicRoads removed the defect.
All sweet.

Turn out at school sports the following week and St John ambo has one mounted on their Vito van at kneee level far further forward than mine was....hmmm.

Oh well.....


Beechy
There are measurements regrding visual impedence and AFAIK no aerials including HF breach this. I would contact the manufacturer and see what they know. I would have also asked him to quote the measurements and references. I am pretty sure he would be wrong. I have been through this with the coppers here and generally they tell me it is all rubbish and people just take what the copper booking them says as gospel when infact the officer has misinterpreted the laws and regulations. Otherwise most of the emergency services vehicles would be off the road. I know there are regulations for this as I have seen them but can not recall the actual measurement guide.

[CraigE]

i have had one since the early 90's when i was a hoon

dept of transport had a blitz on in sandgate pulling up six cars at a time, i got done for fishing rod holder on the bullbar and a warning for no front number plate (the number plate has been off since march 2008, i told them it fell off on the weekend). i'm glad he stopped looking after the first fault, all six cars got booked for something. not sure what else they would have found but i'm guessing there would be a few things on my rig

buggered if i can see how i can pay my fine electronically, will have another look at the ticket

$60 and no points
I would check the regulations in your state. I know in WA fishing rod holders are leagal provided when facing forward of the bull bar they are in use (occupied by a rod) and when not in use turned behind the bullbar or removed. They are not themselves illegal. I know this as the fishing club looked into it and was backed up by the local seargent after one of his officers tried to book a member.
The problem I have is they are generally just picking, not looking at real safety items.

[Bigbjorn]

I would check the regulations in your state. I know in WA fishing rod holders are leagal provided when facing forward of the bull bar they are in use (occupied by a rod) and when not in use turned behind the bullbar or removed. They are not themselves illegal. I know this as the fishing club looked into it and was backed up by the local seargent after one of his officers tried to book a member.
The problem I have is they are generally just picking, not looking at real safety items.

Qld. Transport issue a booklet on "Modifications". In it is an illustration of a vehicle with a bullbar and unauthorised modifications or equipment fitted to it are circled. Fishing rod holders (cookie cutters) are clearly marked as not permitted, as are driving lights mounted above the bullbar.

I asked the Modifications section at QT about the rod holders and was told they are definitely not permitted, are considered extremely dangerous, and a roof rack should be used to transport long one piece rods.

[mike_beecham]

HA!

How did you guess it was Roger!!! He has booked me for a few things over the years...think he has something against Land Rovers!

Ah...I did get the measurements off old mate, but seriously up here - if your a marked man; your finished. Best to just comply. I just got a bracket made up for the rear of Defender.

As for your Disco - l could see him doing you for the shovel for sure! I went with a bracket made by Kaymar up on the side of my ARB roof rack.


Beechy

[UncleHo]

G'day Folks :)

Gee! this reminds me of Mr Dickinson "Dicko Terror of the Tweed" in the 60's the motorcycle policeman who hated ALL truck drivers, and Qld registered cars, many of which still only had the 1 Q type number affixed to the rear :) pulled me over at least 3 times in the Ford Custom and a couple of times in the Austin Q562-010 ;) each time for no front plate, and would really chuck a spazz when half way through writing out the ticket you drew his attention to the section of the rego papers that stated "No of plates issued one" last time I did that he booked me for a faded number plate as he couldn't read it at 250 yards, I told him it was illegal to paint a plate in Qld and that his eyes were failing :p lucky that bikes wern't radio equipt in those days, or I would have seen the inside of the Tweed Cop Shop and had my kidneys rearranged, I heard that he died in a traffic accident on the New England highway a few years later, went under the back of a semi-trailer on his bike at night whilst riding with no headlight on in an attempt to catch speeding truckies or those crossing the double yellows :(

He was originally transfered to Tweed when he booked the NSW Police Commissioner on the harbour bridge as he was speeding to the scene of the "Joe Borge bombing", old hands would remember that one, Sydney's underworld bombing

cheers

[Bigbjorn]

He did die under the wheels of a semi-trailer. It was generally believed amongst us interstaters of the time that someone set for him and got him. A pedantic wielder of his police power and thoroughly loathed by all and sundry.

[UncleHo]

G'day Brian Hjelm :)


Yeah! and I bet you knew of the interior light trick ;) I do believe the remains of the cycle was still stuck under the trailer at the next town ;)


cheers

[Bigbjorn]

G'day Folks :)

Gee! this reminds me of Mr Dickinson "Dicko Terror of the Tweed" in the 60's the motorcycle policeman who hated ALL truck drivers, and Qld registered cars, many of which still only had the 1 Q type number affixed to the rear :) pulled me over at least 3 times in the Ford Custom and a couple of times in the Austin Q562-010 ;) each time for no front plate, and would really chuck a spazz when half way through writing out the ticket you drew his attention to the section of the rego papers that stated "No of plates issued one" last time I did that he booked me for a faded number plate as he couldn't read it at 250 yards, I told him it was illegal to paint a plate in Qld and that his eyes were failing :p lucky that bikes wern't radio equipt in those days, or I would have seen the inside of the Tweed Cop Shop and had my kidneys rearranged, I heard that he died in a traffic accident on the New England highway a few years later, went under the back of a semi-trailer on his bike at night whilst riding with no headlight on in an attempt to catch speeding truckies or those crossing the double yellows :(

He was originally transfered to Tweed when he booked the NSW Police Commissioner on the harbour bridge as he was speeding to the scene of the "Joe Borge bombing", old hands would remember that one, Sydney's underworld bombing

cheers

Joe Borg was killed by a bomb set in his FC ute outside his North Bondi flats, late 1960's, forget the year. The Police Commissioner of the time was Norman Allen, as bent as the Putty Road. Norm was probably speeding to the scene to find out whether one of the major donors to his retirement fund was OK. Joe was one of the major crime figures of Sydney, brothels and molls mainly.

[Hymie]

HA!

How did you guess it was Roger!!! He has booked me for a few things over the years...think he has something against Land Rovers!

Ah...I did get the measurements off old mate, but seriously up here - if your a marked man; your finished. Best to just comply. I just got a bracket made up for the rear of Defender.

As for your Disco - l could see him doing you for the shovel for sure! I went with a bracket made by Kaymar up on the side of my ARB roof rack.


Beechy

He pinged me for doing 73 in a 70 zone up Bona Vista Rd:(
Seeing as it was night time I don't think he looked too hard at the Bullbar as he was walking around to check the Rego label.

[isuzurover]

Qld. Transport issue a booklet on "Modifications". In it is an illustration of a vehicle with a bullbar and unauthorised modifications or equipment fitted to it are circled. Fishing rod holders (cookie cutters) are clearly marked as not permitted, as are driving lights mounted above the bullbar.

I asked the Modifications section at QT about the rod holders and was told they are definitely not permitted, are considered extremely dangerous, and a roof rack should be used to transport long one piece rods.

This is the document you are referring to. I suggest you have another read:
http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resources/file/ebde8d0521b67c6/Pdf_modification_motor_vehicles2.pdf

Rod holders are legal when in use (provided they comply with 5 conditions listed in the booklet). When not in use the must be removed or "retracted behind the profile of the bullbar".

[LOVEMYRANGIE]

Qld. Transport issue a booklet on "Modifications". In it is an illustration of a vehicle with a bullbar and unauthorised modifications or equipment fitted to it are circled. Fishing rod holders (cookie cutters) are clearly marked as not permitted, as are driving lights mounted above the bullbar.

I asked the Modifications section at QT about the rod holders and was told they are definitely not permitted, are considered extremely dangerous, and a roof rack should be used to transport long one piece rods.

This is where regulations are really a load of bollocks. If you go ploughing into a pedestrian at 80k's, what difference is a rod holder going to make when you clean him up with the bullbar anyway???????? :eek:
So the rod holder maybe cuts you, but that's far worse and more likely to kill you despite the fact you just had 80% of your bones pounded into tiny little pieces and not to mention the whiplash from the antenna.
Stoopid regulations..... ;)

cheers

Andrew

[UncleHo]

Rod holders would remove a section of bone (head) in the same manner as a wad (hole) punch,:( and would be to contaminated to be replaced.

[Bigbjorn]

This is the document you are referring to. I suggest you have another read:
http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resources/file/ebde8d0521b67c6/Pdf_modification_motor_vehicles2.pdf

Rod holders are legal when in use (provided they comply with 5 conditions listed in the booklet). When not in use the must be removed or "retracted behind the profile of the bullbar".

Have you ever seen anyone remove or retract them ?

[Bigbjorn]

G'day Folks :)

the Austin Q562-010 ;)
cheers

Late 1951 or early 1952 plate. What model Austin was it?

[UncleHo]

G'day Brian Hjelm :)

Early 52 floor change Devon Tourer :) bought from John Page car sales at Redcliffe 1962, replaced my 39 Austin Wasp tourer,sold to school friend,it was sold for a 55FJ sedan,NGF-253, I think that my Twin spinner Ford Custom was Q553-637,from memory Alpha-Numero plates came in on 1st Feb 1955, as my neighbour up on Hall Ave bought an FJ sedan and it was NAG-??? and his wife made him go back and change them :D:D:D I know that my fathers 49 Vanguard was Q466-093 and his 56 Vangard Spacemaster was NCF-041,he wouldn't let me drive it after I put a 1/2 fine scratch on the left guard turning into 3 D'arcy Rd :o next time I was allowed to drive one of his cars was in 2008 just before he handed in his license (poor eyes @88) Nah! he didn't hold a grudge!!!!!.


cheers

[warren9981]

Have you ever seen anyone remove or retract them ?

Quote • They must only be attached to the left side of the vehicle. unquote.

Does this mean you cannot put them (the fishing rod holders) on the front of the vehicle only on the left hand (passenger) side.:p
Where the heck would you mount them then? :D To the side steps?;)

[Bigbjorn]

G'day Brian Hjelm :)

Early 52 floor change Devon Tourer :) bought from John Page car sales at Redcliffe 1962, replaced my 39 Austin Wasp tourer,sold to school friend,it was sold for a 55FJ sedan,NGF-253, I think that my Twin spinner Ford Custom was Q553-637,from memory Alpha-Numero plates came in on 1st Feb 1955, as my neighbour up on Hall Ave bought an FJ sedan and it was NAG-??? and his wife made him go back and change them :D:D:D I know that my fathers 49 Vanguard was Q466-093 and his 56 Vangard Spacemaster was NCF-041,he wouldn't let me drive it after I put a 1/2 fine scratch on the left guard turning into 3 D'arcy Rd :o next time I was allowed to drive one of his cars was in 2008 just before he handed in his license (poor eyes @88) Nah! he didn't hold a grudge!!!!!.


cheers

You sure that Vanguard was a '49? 466 is a '48 plate. The first Holdens registered in Qld. were late 1948 and co-incidentally had Q48*-*** plates. Q553 is late 1951. Sounds correct for a twin spinner. First Customline was 1952 here in Oz. Your FJ was re-registered in 1958 by that number. NCF was early '56. A school mates dad worked at the factory in Albion that won the tender to make the alpha-numero plates. They used NAA-888 to test the machinery. The father brought several of them home, unpainted. I don't know if this number was eventually issued.

[isuzurover]

Have you ever seen anyone remove or retract them ?

Plenty of people - but what is your point? Bottom line is (a) they are legal (when in use) and (b) you and your contact at Qld transport are incorrect

[Bigbjorn]

Spoke to Modifications Section at QT again this morning. There has been a ban for at least forty years on forward facing or projecting sharp edged objects or objects likely to cause or exacerbate an injury. Examples are headlight eyebrows, badge bars, light brackets, bonnet mascots, and fishing rod holders. The USE of rod holders is tolerated subject to certain conditions. Enquirers are told that the preferred metod of transporting long rods is on roof racks. Weeds perhaps could have avoided his fine and defect notice if he removed the offending item when not in use.

The tolerance is probably political, not wanting to upset a noisy minority, the beach fishermen.

[isuzurover]

Weeds perhaps could have avoided his fine and defect notice if he removed the offending item when not in use.

Well that goes without saying. I have no sympathy for anyone who gets a fine for having a sausage-maker fitted when not in use.

[UncleHo]

G'day Brian Hjelm :)

Yes, the Gaurdsvan was an ex-demo, right hand gearchange model, but with 7 inch headlights and parking lamps, unlike the 48 models that still had the Lucas 5' light with inbuilt parkers,similar to the Austin A40's and 48 Hillman Minx's, he got very good with that R/hand gear change, as if you rushed it between 1st and 2nd, it would jam,pop the bonnet, jump out,twiddle the firewallmounted selectors, and close bonnet jump in,interesting in the middle of the 5ways at the Gabba, on a Sat morning holding up the trams etc, the point's duty cop was not amused,BUT it was a lot easier that the column change Spinners/Custard-lines :D where you had to jump under and fiddle with the X/over selectors with a length of water pipe or a hammer(usally in the wet & with G/friend) :eek: :( and today's drivers think they are hard done by ;)

cheers

[Bigbjorn]

G'day Brian Hjelm :)

Yes, the Gaurdsvan was an ex-demo, right hand gearchange model, but with 7 inch headlights and parking lamps, unlike the 48 models that still had the Lucas 5' light with inbuilt parkers,similar to the Austin A40's and 48 Hillman Minx's, he got very good with that R/hand gear change, as if you rushed it between 1st and 2nd, it would jam,pop the bonnet, jump out,twiddle the firewallmounted selectors, and close bonnet jump in,interesting in the middle of the 5ways at the Gabba, on a Sat morning holding up the trams etc, the point's duty cop was not amused,BUT it was a lot easier that the column change Spinners/Custard-lines :D where you had to jump under and fiddle with the X/over selectors with a length of water pipe or a hammer(usally in the wet & with G/friend) :eek: :( and today's drivers think they are hard done by ;)

cheers

I remember the right hand column change on early Vanguards. Real tasty rust buckets were the round back Vanguards. Standard had never made a full metal turret before and didn't have a press big enough to press the panel in one piece. They pressed it in several pieces and oxy welded them together. Rust used to start in the weld seams. According to traditional British motor manufacturing practice, (which continued right into the 70's at the very least), nothing out of sight was primed or painted.

The cross over gear change rods for the left hand drive gearbox on Customs and Customlines were a right problem in the outback. The shifter rods crossing under the gearbox were prone to being badly bent or ripped off on the roads of the time. Repaired quite a few of them in my Winton days.

Riley Pathfinders had a right hand floor shift alongside the Driver's seat. I never had a look under one to see how the linkages were arranged.

Jim Cross ran a speedcar in the 50's with an engine that was a combination of Vanguard/Ferguson tractor components. Fergie block and crank, Vanguard petrol engine head. The Fergie variant had a better crank and main bearings. Bob Morgan has a Jim Cross car in his collection. I am not sure if this is the Vanguard car repowered with a sideplate Holden or a later one purpose built with the Holden.

[slippery]

And what about those police radar 4wds with dash mounted cameras?

[dobbo]

And what about those police radar 4wds with dash mounted cameras?



what about them?


They're a government vehicle or a purpose built vehicle, therefore they are allowable to some exemptions. You could say the same about many purpose built vehicles. Can you say a Tank, a Crane or a Fire truck are safe to pedestrians?

[slippery]

so when they run into some one cause they can't see, its ok

[lardy]

do what I do, drive an old car and carry the ADR's relevent to the vehicles age....


lights, horn, brakes and tread depth, pretty much everything else is an optional extra, Including the windows.

Hi mate so how would i get the ADR for my vehicle and i guess every state has its own version just to make it fun or is it federal

[BigJon]

Australian Design Rules... Federal. States can have their own rules as well.