Which RRC

[pop058]

It seem that RRC's are back in vogue (pun intended). This leads me to ask (flack jacket on), on balance "Which is the best model". Other than I think they are great, I know very little about them. The so called "94 soft dash" gets quite a good rave here, as does the 89. The 2 doors seem to have a cult following and the early 80's (eg. Incasaurus) are very popular.

So with the wealth of knowledge on this forum, could someone (or a lot of people) enlighten me and others who maybe interested on when the major changes occured and what are some of the pro's & con's for each variant.

The outcome of all this is that, if the miNister for wAr & finaNce agrees, I will have 1 more Landy and 1 less Falcon (ute) in the fleet

Paul

[bee utey]

What's your budget? Late 92-94 types are the best IMO but all of them can be pleasant if they are well maintained. Carby ones are not particularly fast and can have their own little issues. All are great to drive off road. Look for door pillar rust in early ones!

[pop058]

What's your budget? Late 92-94 types are the best IMO but all of them can be pleasant if they are well maintained. Carby ones are not particularly fast and can have their own little issues. All are great to drive off road. Look for door pillar rust in early ones!

Going off eBay over the last few months, My budget should cover all models (upto 94 ?). The ideal for me is a duel fuel V8 auto. It's towing capability is important as is the ability to carry 5. It would do very little off road work if any.

Paul

[incisor]

carby based ones are cheaper to put on lpg am told

that said, the later ones have a bucket load more power if you get the later lpg system which costs about $1- $1.5k more depending on tank size and brand according to my investigations and are a smoother overall package.

i was going to get a post 86 unit but happened onto the 82 unit with gas already on it... and it had less rust than all the post 86's i looked at so went with it...

there is some crap on the market at the moment...

[350RRC]

Hi,

Depends on a lot of things. If you're carting around 4 other bods then folding the seats on a 2 door will wear thin within one day.

If you like old simple stuff then a 4 door like Inc has just bought would suit, and is very likely to become collectable. Later ones loaded with motors and electronics might test your patience, but there is a wealth of knowledge out there to help.

There are plenty of 4 door 'treasures' still out around, of all vintages up to 94. They are all called 'classic', something a disco or P38 will never be.

cheers, DL

[bee utey]

Going off eBay over the last few months, My budget should cover all models (upto 94 ?). The ideal for me is a duel fuel V8 auto. It's towing capability is important as is the ability to carry 5. It would do very little off road work if any.

Paul
Go the 3.9 litre EFI version then, 92 on. They run the same chassis as a Disco 1 so gas is quite easy to do on them, second hand kits are around. Personally the EFI is no harder/dearer to convert than a carby model. All RR's can have ignition weakness, a Scorcher or Bosch upgrade will help reliability a lot. The later EFI fitted to them is better than the early "flapper" version in many ways, including fuel leaks at the fuel injectors. Also the fuel pump is accesible from inside the car, depending on where you put the gas tank.

[UncleHo]

G'day Pop058 :)

The 4 door was released late 81 was fitted with the 3.5 carb engine in both 8.13 & 9.35 :1 ratio motors,and with 4 speed LT95 g/box with LT230R transfer, up until the phase 2 release in June 84 this was the updated dash and instrument binacle incorporating a Tacho,1/4 windows were deleted,and larger mirrors fitted,key operated central locking, still with the 3,5 carby motor but now with eletronic ign,9.35:1 motor 125bhp @4000rpm and 185ftlb @2500rpm, Nov 86 fuel injected 3.5mtr,grille now horizontal slated,"Vogue"model fitted with spoiler and 2 fog lamps, (branded "Hi-Line" in Australia,and fitted with grey upholstrey, base model bronze, 1988 Borg Warner chain driven transfer case with viscous coupling,replaced LT230T transfer case.

Hope that is a help for you.:)


cheers

[350RRC]

G'day Pop058 :)

The 4 door was released late 81 was fitted with the 3.5 carb engine in both 8.13 & 9.35 :1 ratio motors,and with 4 speed LT95 g/box with LT230R transfer
cheers

Contradiction there. :)

DL

[UncleHo]

Oop's Sorry :( LT95 had integral Transfer, LT77 5spd has LT230R transfer in 84 onwards vehicles:)

cheers

[mike 90 RR]

I think that all the models are great ... as they are all "classics"
But each model has different levels of comfort and features

The early ones offer basic items without electronic dependence .. where as the later ones can be a a bit of a pain with some of the running gear ... IE air suspention & waco brakes..

This is my 1990 ... The only ECU electronics is the one that drives the hotwire EFI on a 3.9V8 (Low compression)

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/zz19/retro_shack/AULRO/Moore%20River%20and%20Nine%20Mile%20Swamp%207%20Fe b%202010/IMG_2705.jpg

The whole ride is standard ... Only has replacement springs & shocks along with aftermarket mags ....The brakes still use the "normal master cylinder" setup (no waco)

It has taken some $$ to get this one up to the condition that you see tho, but is "a good year" for a harmony of not too many electronics and a level of creature comfort

Having the hotwire EFI instead of the flappy means that you can easily sort problems out & install replacement parts that are cheaply available

I also have the 93, It also, is a pleasure to drive ....... But as far as towing power ... They are all slugs

Also ... If your looking for leg room ...I believe the 94 & 95 models offer a longer wheel base and give extra leg room to the rear passenger seats

But IMHO .... Go out and drive a few varieties ... and see which one you would like to own :)


Mike

[Grumbles]

Well, it seems to me that it comes down to two choices in a Classic for you Pop058.

You can purchase any 'run of the mill' Rangie with what ever engine/update model suits you or you can rise above the masses and get your self an LSE.

Now the LSE is a superb on road tourer which will more than meet your usage requisites of being mainly for on road use. And all your passengers will love all that extra room in the back seat as well as the extra large floor space of an LSE.

And if you think I am biased you are dead right. :D

[Owen]

I have a soft dash late 94 LSE, a great drive, sweet engine note, not bad economy on the highway and plenty of room for the back passengers. I paid just on 14,500 for mine about 2 years ago, its as rare as rocking horse sh&^ but was a $105,000 car new...

See if you can find one....and enjoy it.

[350RRC]

'Classic' is a moniker that RRC's have got worldwide. Are there any original models that were LR stamped 'classic'?

Engineering and design concept /execution contribute to what becomes a 'classic' down the track. When other makers imitate (sometimes over a decade later) then the whole thing is reinforced.

Nothing is created perfectly, however some things are more attractive to maintain as the years go by.

DL

[Grumbles]

That white LSE is still being advertised for sale on Carsales. It looks pretty good.

[LR4WD]

Land Rover did badge the last of the original shape Rangies as "Classic" - they were sold alongside the replacement 'P38' Rangie for a while & there needed to be a way of differentiating them.
Someone on here has an avatar showing the badge - it is a Land Rover oval 90mm wide x 48mm tall - with a flat bottomed lump underneath, the same 90mm width but only an extra 23mm tall. in the lump is CLASSIC.
Found on the tailgates (low on the L/H/S) of 'Soft Dash' cars.
Rgs, LR4WD

[Grumbles]

I didn't think they did that here in Oz LR4WD. I thought that the 'Classic' badging was confined to the UK only.

[UncleHo]

I think that the very last of the Aust rangies were badged Classic, HPR50 has a runout model so he might have the badge, I know that the badges were available seperatly as I know of a badge on a Landrover, but can't remember if it was purchased in Aust. or bought in from UK.


cheers

[HPR50]

Yeah mine has the badge as well as piped leather, chrome bumpers and TWR wheels.

[Disco_owner]

Go the 3.9 litre EFI version then, 92 on. They run the same chassis as a Disco 1 so gas is quite easy to do on them, second hand kits are around. Personally the EFI is no harder/dearer to convert than a carby model. All RR's can have ignition weakness, a Scorcher or Bosch upgrade will help reliability a lot. The later EFI fitted to them is better than the early "flapper" version in many ways, including fuel leaks at the fuel injectors. Also the fuel pump is accesible from inside the car, depending on where you put the gas tank.

I agree with this , go 3.9 EFi. 92-94 , Mine runs really well on LPG , has a aftermarket ignition module fitted.

[rovercare]

Hmmm, 2 door, for the appeal

82-84 4 door, for the best "basic" model, get a clean unit and they are very retro:cool:, very reliable with a high compression 3.5 and 0.996:1 Lt95.....and a great donot for an Isuzu:twisted:

avoid 85

86 are a good buy, luxury interior, still relatively simple with early style stalks, simpler to a marginal degree, bonnet that flips to the roof, exposed hinges

if chasing anything later, I'd look at 90 on as they come with a 3.9

Depends, just buy whatever strikes you and comes cheap really:D

an LSE would be a good thing, the additional room is added in the rear door, footwell area

[pop058]

Thanks for all the info ppl. My current thoughts are 89/90 with a preference to an EFI 3.9. The legroom in an (92-94 ?) LSE is also desirable. As much as I would like a 5 speed, the ZF is far more practical for my situation.
An earlier model is still on the cards, but would require the relevant "upgrades". As with anything, being in the right spot with the readies and catching a bargin means I need to keep my options open.

edit.. why aviod 85 ??

[peewee]

edit.. why aviod 85 ??[/QUOTE]

like to know that myself, i`ve had three of them and i like them. its the last year of the carby engine but a lot of the upgrades for the 86 efi models where fitted for this year, better instruments, mirrors, front doors lost the quarter lights, bigger windscreen washer bottle, first year of the five speed manual(but auto was still 3 speed) and a few other changes

[UncleHo]

G'day Folks :)

Yes, Rovercare, what is the problem with the 85 phase 2, I'm quite happy with my 5sp manual,9.35:1 3.5 Carby on gas :) I would like to know if I'm sitting on a time bomb :eek:


cheers

[rovercare]

Thanks for all the info ppl. My current thoughts are 89/90 with a preference to an EFI 3.9. The legroom in an (92-94 ?) LSE is also desirable. As much as I would like a 5 speed, the ZF is far more practical for my situation.
An earlier model is still on the cards, but would require the relevant "upgrades". As with anything, being in the right spot with the readies and catching a bargin means I need to keep my options open.

edit.. why aviod 85 ??


edit.. why aviod 85 ??

like to know that myself, i`ve had three of them and i like them. its the last year of the carby engine but a lot of the upgrades for the 86 efi models where fitted for this year, better instruments, mirrors, front doors lost the quarter lights, bigger windscreen washer bottle, first year of the five speed manual(but auto was still 3 speed) and a few other changes


G'day Folks :)

Yes, Rovercare, what is the problem with the 85 phase 2, I'm quite happy with my 5sp manual,9.35:1 3.5 Carby on gas :) I would like to know if I'm sitting on a time bomb :eek:


cheers

Nothing hainous about them at all, just if buying, I wouldn't actively look for an 85, cross over on the interior, ugly console etc, still carbed, TF if auto, the LT77 still had the long stick arrangement, which is far from pleasant

[peewee]

Nothing hainous about them at all, just if buying, I wouldn't actively look for an 85, cross over on the interior, ugly console etc, still carbed, TF if auto, the LT77 still had the long stick arrangement, which is far from pleasant

85s arnt everyones cup of tea but there are a few good points i like. the interior, ok its a crossover between the old and the new but its better made than the 86 on interiors(ever seen a efi rrc with a good cubby box) and the radio is still on the drivers side.the bonnet can lay back on the windscreen so its easier to work on. some people like carbs(ive converted mine to efi) the lt77 isnt a srong as the earlier 4 speed but is better to use. the 3 speed auto does suck power but i`m changing mine to a 4 speed auto. they are a good base model if you want to fit some of the upgrades from newer models on to and make youre own idear of what a good rrc should be.:)

[rovercare]

make youre own idear of what a good rrc should be.:)

Thats it:)

[Banjo_pluker]

PoP058,

did you end up buying a RRC yet?

If so what did you get?