Rolled D2 - Panel Beater Wanted!

[biggin]

You wouldn't read about it!

Spent the weekend fixing up all the remaining problem with the D2.
Went 1km up the road and rolled it onto its side when testing HDC in reverse gear.

First I tested out HDC going forward on a local hill - no probs. Turned around went a few metres back up the hill, then reversed down to check HDC in reverse. tryres slid sideways and backward into ruts, then toppled over onto its side. It was all very gentle.

Now I am looking for a panel beater I can trust near gippsland to repair the damage.

I will post some pics when I get to the stage that I can bear to look at them:(:(!

[midal]

Oh bugger:eek::eek::eek:.......bet you're happy about that:(:no2:

[midal]

Oh bugger:eek::eek::eek:......bet you're happy about that:(:no2:

[stig0000]

can be done way to easy, iv been close :o:(

[Zute]

I almost did the same thing. Used the HDC after forward progress stopped. Suddenly she slue sideways, stoping at about 45deg acroos the hill. Still dont know WTF happened.
Luckly we had another 4x4 to pull it straight from the top.
Dont think I'll be useing HDC in reverse from now on.

[tapout]

Dam i used mine for the first time on sunday, forward motion and it worked perfectly, but now im not sure i want to use it again, hope you can get it all sorted without any probs.

jason.

[cockie55]

........went a few metres back up the hill, then reversed down to check HDC in reverse. tryres slid sideways and backward into ruts, then toppled over onto its side......

....like this oldie but a goodie........YouTube - NP Pajero Roll Over Accident (http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=GeYmDOzoibk)

[LandyAndy]

I only use HDC to work my ABS system,its not required in a manual TD5 Disco,way too fast.Never been in an auto TD5 off-road,may be usefull there????
Sorry to hear of your grief,hope its an easy fix.
GOODLUCK
Andrew

[Aaron40]

Yep me too, HDC in reverse on a loose surface is very sketchy....:o

[midal]

I've used HDC going down a pretty steep hill forwards and frankly I think it allows the car to go too fast initially, then slows it right down. It's supposed to go to about 7kph before it activates but it felt faster than that....I was more interested in what was going on than looking at the speedo ...mind you it was pretty steep and it took a lot of effort to not go for the brakes! Pretty rough ground surface also.....don't think I'd be happy doing it in reverse:eek: That's with Td5 auto. May explain why the dead foot rest pedal is bent forward somewhat as well!

[BMKal]

Have you tried just using low range first gear without the HDC Mick ?

Don't know how that would go in an auto - but I'm with LandyAndy as far as the manual is concerned at least. Low first gives better control than HDC on a really steep descent, and definitely low range reverse if you have to do it backwards.

Not that I have had too many opportunities to prove it - there's not a lot of steep hills around Kalgoorlie - but have found a couple of spots to play. The Heap Leach pads out at a previous jobs was a great place for showing up Toymota's. :wasntme:

[midal]

I was definitely in low range first, and still wishing that I had an anchor to chuck out the window:p

Seriously though, I was just surprised how fast (and in reality 7kph is not all that fast) the HDC allowed it to go before it intervened. Once it came in, the HDC did an amazing job though.

[midal]

Biggin

Sounds like you were pretty lucky (if that is the right word) despite "falling over"...how bad was the damage and which panels etc.
Any distortion to the roof?

[mike 90 RR]

I almost did the same thing. Used the HDC after forward progress stopped. Suddenly she slue sideways, stoping at about 45deg acroos the hill. Still dont know WTF happened.


Basically the "dead weight" of the motor being heavier than the rear end forces the front end to "try to turn the car around" ... IE .. the heaviest part of the car (Front) wants to go "down hill" and overtake the rear end.

Coupled up with a ABS system that will not "solid lock" your wheels, and keep releasing the brakes as your still slipping (All that brake chatter) and she's all over, Red Rover


But basically, when going in reverse, be prepared to just drive it down the hill ... and may god be in the passenger seat as your co driver, & help you navigate on the way (down) when / as the brakes refuse to lockup solid (ABS Chatter) :eek:


Mike

[biggin]

Biggin

Sounds like you were pretty lucky (if that is the right word) despite "falling over"...how bad was the damage and which panels etc.
Any distortion to the roof?

I strongly recommend you do not go down a hill in reverse unless you really have to. In my case I was only testing the damn thing.

The most difficult damage to repair would be the crinkled up corner of the roof on the front passenger side. Also the sill bent down to prevent the door from opening. Surprisingly no damage to windows or wing mirror:eek:.

Other damage includes:
minor panel damage to the two doors
moderate panel damage to the two guards
bent up exhaust before tail pipe
nearly all plastic bits on passenger side broken
possibly front and rear bumper will need replacing

I'm a bit worried the bill maybe North of 11k, in which case the insurance company may write it off.

I looked on the internet for a like for like replacement and it seems the prices have rocketed over the last 12 months.

I coun't find a decent 2002 SE7 V8 SLS ACE, 100k on clock, for under $23K.

This one cost me $16K on road before 2"lift, CDL installed.

As I stated earlier, I will post pics as soon as I can work out how to.

[Bundalene]

I have a bare body shell you are welcome to - for nothing. The damage to this one is a crease in the front passenger side inner guard and a crease in the radiator support panel. The drivers side inner guard may alsy be a slight bit out, but I don't think so.

The down side is that this is in Sydney and you are down south. Having said that, we went to Moe last year with a trailer and picked up a P38, our son Andrew and myself did the round trip in 24hrs (pretty full on though)

Please let us know - I was going to put this up for a freeby anyhow but you seem to be in need. Also if you want some pics, I will post them.

Cheers, Erich

[biggin]

I have a bare body shell you are welcome to - for nothing. The damage to this one is a crease in the front passenger side inner guard and a crease in the radiator support panel. The drivers side inner guard may alsy be a slight bit out, but I don't think so.

The down side is that this is in Sydney and you are down south. Having said that, we went to Moe last year with a trailer and picked up a P38, our son Andrew and myself did the round trip in 24hrs (pretty full on though)

Please let us know - I was going to put this up for a freeby anyhow but you seem to be in need. Also if you want some pics, I will post them.

Cheers, Erich

Thanks for the offer Erich,

My hope is that the damage will be repaired under my insurance. It's booked in on the 12th April for assessment by the insurance company. Before that I need to gather two quotes for the work.

If the car is written off, then my intention is to buy back the wreck and rebuild it myself in which case I would be very interested in your kind offer. Of course I will not know what is going on until the 12th April. If you are not in a great hurry to get rid of it, and can hang on to it until then, it would be great to know I have this option.

However, I will understand if you wish to move it on before then.:cool:

Thanks again.

Cheers,
Alan

[biggin]

Here's a pic.

[M&S]

Ouch!

No way I'd use HDC to get me down that backwards (I don't even use it forwards).

HDC is fine for grassy slopes I think, but put in any bumps and it gets messy!

[sniegy]

Mate as long as you are all ok & the family? thats all that counts. Its a pain & you feel like crap but it will get repaired & life will go on.
With Erich's kind offer, you cant ask for a nicer bunch of like minded people.
Happy Easter all.

[midal]

:eek::eek::eek:....Looking at the size of some of those ruts and holes it's not hard to see the cause/problem. Like stated earlier, the important thing is there was no physical damage to yourself or others, commiserations for the car never the less.

[scarry]

Biggin,sorry to hear the bad news.Things can happen soooo quickly,hope things work out.

This was enough for me a few years back & i can still remember it well,& we were very fortunate not to tip it over...it was brand new,scared the **** out of all that was there.

It is a totally different situation than what you were in,& luckily the ruts were only small.


Not long after i picked up a new D2 in 99,i had to reverse down a very steep,long gravel hill.It became one of the scariest things i had done for a while.

What i did,with the guide of one of my brothers who happened to be with us at the time & also had done a lot more of this type of stuff than me,was left the auto in drive.

I allowed the car to inch slowly backwards,& as it tried to turn,that is front coming around,gunned it carefully till it was pointing up the hill again.

Slowly,& carefully we got to the bottom.

It isn't something you want to do again in a hurry:(

[Hendrik]

Sorry to hear about your damage, its a terrible feeling when you write a car off (hopefully yours isn't a write off).

If it does get written off, you might get lucky and be able to buy it back for very cheap.
Best of luck.

[eckolsim]

Sorry to hear about the roll over.

HDC in my opinion shouldn't be used as it is too unpredictable. With my auto in manual mode, in low range 1st, I find is the best option for descents. If I want to use the brakes also I would prefer it to be deliberately my choice rather than a computer.

Regards