Anyone give me some info on this Series wreck?

[Omaroo]

Hi all - it's been a while... :)

I came across this Series vehicle this weekend out west in NSW. It's been sitting on a bloke's property for some time. The chassis seems to be in good order underneath, and the outriggers are very solid - as is everything else that I can see without further inspection. The interior is a collection of rotten wood and rubber - but that's OK. It'll all be sorted through and kept if at all capable of being restored, or used as a pattern for a new piece if not.

Could any of you Series buffs here give me an idea as to what year it is? Doesn't seem to have from parkers - just indicators.

Thanks for any advice in advance :)

Cheers
Chris

[Sprint]

i'd take a stab that it's from late 50's-mid 60's, more likely a series II than IIa

[groucho]

1964 to around 1967 ish i guess

[Sleepy]

Yes I'd agree, a S2a 88". Mid to late 60's. The chassis number would help pin it down. It's probably parkers (sidelights) and no indicators. The vents lead me to believe it is a 2a (earlier had wind out vents).
Hard to tell with old landies though as so many were "updated" throughout their life :)

[isuzutoo-eh]

Its a series IIa judging by the vent flap lock mechs. Looks early on in the piece to me. My '63 IIa also has the single front parker light/indicators. This is pretty rare in Aus.
The roof is not a standard Land Rover product, it appears to have all the parts used in a soft top but skinned over in metal. The bracket over the windscreen, the gutters over the doors and the B pillars are all present under the hard skin.
One windscreen wiper motor but two arms!

If this has a good chassis and firewall, you may find it easiest to source another wreck to salvage parts from for this one.

[Omaroo]

Thanks fellas. :)

Yep, I suspected early IIa, and am wondering it it's a worthwhile project given the state it's in. I must say that I'm fond of 88's, as I don't see them at all often. Maybe it's worth it in this regard.

[d@rk51d3]

61-63 2a.

The give aways are:

Crosseyed is a start. Narrows it down to a 2, or early 2a.
As does the 2 wiper motors....... 1 is missing.

Rectangular rubbers on the tops of the bonnet, for the spare wheel. (only went as far as early 2a's). Later ones were round.

Vent handles. Series 2's mostly had round knobs for the vents, most 2a's and up used levers.

Windscreen hinges retained by 2 brass wingnuts (early 2a) as opposed to hex nuts on the later 2a'a.

Something about the steering wheel is ringing bells too.

The cowl around the steering column in the dash. I'm pretty sure this changed on the later 2a's.

All in all, looks like it could be a fun little project. :cool:

[Sleepy]

61-63 2a.

The give aways are:

Crosseyed is a start. Narrows it down to a 2, or early 2a.
As does the 2 wiper motors....... 1 is missing.

Rectangular rubbers on the tops of the bonnet, for the spare wheel. (only went as far as early 2a's). Later ones were round.

Vent handles. Series 2's mostly had round knobs for the vents, most 2a's and up used levers.

Windscreen hinges retained by 2 brass wingnuts (early 2a) as opposed to hex nuts on the later 2a'a.

Something about the steering wheel is ringing bells too.

The cowl around the steering column in the dash. I'm pretty sure this changed on the later 2a's.

All in all, looks like it could be a fun little project. :cool:

"Rivet counter of the night" award.:D:p

[d@rk51d3]

And the first to be shot down in flames too, no doubt. :D

[isuzutoo-eh]

Shorty IIa's are the best :D

Did you check what is under the bonnet? Hope its not a Holden or a black hole drive :p

Darkside: Great list of spotter's features! I learnt something tonight :)

[pop058]

when did the twin wire type spoked steering wheels change to the single spoke type ??

[d@rk51d3]

when did the twin wire type spoked steering wheels change to the single spoke type ??

I think so, before changing to the solid plastic S3.

........... or did it change from single to double then solid plastic????

[UncleHo]

G'day Folks :)

I would put it as an early Series 2,no blinkers either inside or out, these were not required on commercial vehicles until 1960, 61 in Qld,(or they could be supplied as accessories) it has, and probably only had 1 wiper as the other one was an accessory :o it has/had Wipac/Butler type tail lights (the larger ones) and it would have had glass flat type front parkers held in by a chrome ring held by 2 screws, and yes,if it still has the original 4 cyl motor and the chassis is OK (it was what was called an 88" basic, canvas top,and the bare minimum of what was required),then it is a worthwhile restoration project :D


cheers

[UncleHo]

G'day Pop058 :)

The change to the dished rubber steering wheel was with chassis suffix "D" early safety bit,the steering column was also shortened by one inch from memory, this also brought in the change to NEG earth,cable wipers,and keystart, there were a couple of other things but they slip my mind at the present, I enjoyed my scotch--- es this evening:D


cheeeers

[Xtreme]

A few numbers captured 3 years ago from the same vehicle that will assist you in positive ID.
Original 2.25l motor with Solarex carby.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Hmmm well that makes it a 1961 series 2 then, not 2a..

[bobslandies]

when did the twin wire type spoked steering wheels change to the single spoke type ??

August 1965 - change to tapered spline and solid steering wheel

And you all missed the bolted on hinges for the windscreen ventilators - so very early 2A I would hazard a guess.

By the way the wingnuts fastening the windscreen were 5/16BSF, then 5/16UNF before being superceded by the "turret nuts".

All we need is a chassis number Chris! We must catch up:).

Vehicle details supplied by Roger.

Bob

[UncleHo]

G'day Folks :)

Thanks for that extreme :) that makes it the 944th Series 2 88 for the 1961 model year and originally fitted with the 2.25 motor :D body No 4555



cheers

[bobslandies]

A few numbers captured 3 years ago from the same vehicle that will assist you in positive ID.
Original 2.25l motor with Solarex carby.

Thanks Roger,

Veh: 143100945; Engine 151113842; Std Vehicle; key 672; fitted with Olympic APL (All Purpose Lug) tyres; Supplied to McGuigan & Gough (of Mudgee) on 2 / 8/ '61 (with 143100944 also).

Bob

[Sleepy]

oops

[Omaroo]

My goodness. LOL! I stick a couple of photos up and I have, with your collective base of knowledge fellas, been offered an entire history! Simply amazing! Thank you all very much!

As a '61 I feel a certain affinity with it, I have to say. I've always loved the 88's. Roger - in your opinion, is the 2.25 in good enough condition for a relatively easy home rebuild? Fitting of hardened valve seats would be a good idea I guess, given the opportunity.

Bob - we'll have to catch up. yes. I plan to come to this months meeting of you'll be there. I'd be great to have a chat.

Cheers - and many thanks again... :)

[Bigbjorn]

G'day Folks :)

I would put it as an early Series 2,no blinkers either inside or out, these were not required on commercial vehicles until 1960, 61 in Qld,(or they could be supplied as accessories) it has, and probably only had 1 wiper as the other one was an accessory :o it has/had Wipac/Butler type tail lights (the larger ones) and it would have had glass flat type front parkers held in by a chrome ring held by 2 screws, and yes,if it still has the original 4 cyl motor and the chassis is OK (it was what was called an 88" basic, canvas top,and the bare minimum of what was required),then it is a worthwhile restoration project :D


cheers

Uncle, I don't remember when installation of blinkers on new vehicles became a Qld. requirement, but it was 1961 when the use of blinkers on vehicles already fitted with them became legal. Before then, only the two hand signals were recognised in the Traffic Act.

[groucho]

Well i was wrong again
Back to the corner



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[Xtreme]

Roger - in your opinion, is the 2.25 in good enough condition for a relatively easy home rebuild? Fitting of hardened valve seats would be a good idea I guess, given the opportunity.


As you would have observed Chris, the vehicle is (apart from the odd wheel etc) reasonably complete and original - so would be a good base to start from but will require a lot of time depending on how far you wish to go with restoration.

I'm not sure about history of its last trip - whether it was driven or towed to its present location - so am not sure of its mechanical condition. I know it's not much to go by but it only has 43,416 miles on the clock and I assume it was mainly used around the local properties.

See you in a few weeks.