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DiscoWeb
7th April 2010, 07:27 AM
After 30,000 km I am getting to the point of needing to replace tyres, however at least 2 of the OEM tyres are still OK for at least another 5 -10 K in my opinion.

Assuming I put on the same size tyres, albeit new and an ATR rather than the HT's that came with it is there any issue associate with doing this.

FYI the OEM tyres are 255/60R18 Continental Cross Contact UHP, a very road oriented tyre and I am leaning towards the Pirrelli Scorpion ATR in the same size.

My primary concern is with additional wear this may place on the drive train due to the different rotating circumference of the tryes.

I am aware of the potential concern about having different tread patterns etc but as I do not drive it like I stole it I, perhaps incorrectly figure this will not cause me any great concern.

Regards,

George
TDV6 SE

discojools
7th April 2010, 07:38 AM
Definitely not a good idea to mix treads and circumferences!!

shining
7th April 2010, 09:44 AM
Perhaps someone with appropriate teknikal ability can give an indication of the amount of difference in circumference needed to cause a problem as no two tyres would be exactly the same especially after being roaded for a while.

Graeme
7th April 2010, 12:57 PM
My biggest concern would be the handling changes associated with different tyre construction rather than rolling circumferance or adhesion, which might still present problems. You may have to try where to fit the new tyres as whilst the new ATRs would suggest to have less grip on sealed surfaces so fit them to the front, they have quite stiff sidewalls so oversteer might be a problem and thus they might need to be on the rear. Anyway, if you didn't like the steering with 2 ATRs, get 2 more and ditch the almost worn-out HTs. Maybe do that from the outset!

Dingmark Jim
7th April 2010, 06:00 PM
As a bit of a datum.... I once had 19" MTRs on the rear and the OEM 19" HTs on the front. Stability control went off like Xmas and on rough bitumen it drove as badly as an old Nissan Patrol. Obviously the computer was very confused and I'll never do that again. Still this is more extreme than going from HTs to ATs. Oddly enough the MTRs were the same rolling size at 265 x 60R18 Cooper HT+ and mixing those two tyres worked okay (I did this as a controlled test only and wouldn't recommend doing it).

TDV6
7th April 2010, 08:15 PM
G'day George,

I have four tyres with a 4mm difference in tread depth (2 at 8mm and 2 at 4mm) and a fifth that's different again. Several LR and non genuine LR workshops have told me "Just don't do it" 4mm is too much difference in depth.

As a result I am running around on my 17" off road set until I have the ready's for a new set of 18" black-top tyres.

HTH,

Ryall

Nomad9
7th April 2010, 09:53 PM
Hi There,
When I was buying my D3 the person I was buying the vehicle off had put the spare on due to him having a puncture, the tyres fitted were 255 55 18's the spare was a 255 60 18, this had the effect of activating the traction control and making the gear changes on the vehicle different. When I replaced the punctured tyre with a new 255 55 18 and kept the other three as the old 255 55 18's the vehicle ran a treat, no noticeable difference. There must be some built in safety allowance to allow for minor discrepancies in tread wear. Definitely would try and keep the same sizes on the vehicle I wouldn't have different brands on the same axle, I would consider the same size same brand on one axle and a different brand same size on another axle. That's me, my opinion. Hope this helps.

DDdisco
8th April 2010, 05:52 AM
Even having one tyre a bit flat will activate the traction control, especially on corners. It obviously makes a difference.

cockie55
8th April 2010, 08:27 AM
Don't as even small diam tyre changes upset limited slip diff's with traction control.

Dirty3
10th April 2010, 05:09 PM
Hi out there,

Has anyone tried the 265/60/18 on a D3/4? Are they ok to fit or could they cause issues. The size is only 1.6% larger rolling diameter than the 255/60/18, so I suspect they might be ok. But wonder what performance is like compared to say the General Grabber AT2's?

roamer
10th April 2010, 05:38 PM
I think the pommies don't get a full size spare, even if rolling dia is same, traction can't be , anyone know how that works, :confused:

WhiteD3
10th April 2010, 07:53 PM
Ditch the Wranglers and buy a new set. Had to make that decision myself last year (Scorpion ATR).....no regrets

Nomad9
10th April 2010, 09:15 PM
Hi Hedley Lamar,
I've got 265 60 18's on my D3, no problem at all, actually made the speedo more accurate. I've fitted Cooper HT plus, not sure they were my wisest choice but they came at the right price. They hold the road well, quiet and don't touch anywhere, in my opinion beter than the 255 55 18's I had on before.

chimpy
11th April 2010, 08:34 AM
I just ditched the 255 60 r18's Wranglers that came fitted on my D3 and replaced with 265 60 r18 Yokohama geolander AT's. No issues and after 10K i am rapt with their performance on and off road. Just hoping i get the K's out of them to justify the price

Dirty3
11th April 2010, 12:50 PM
I just ditched the 255 60 r18's Wranglers that came fitted on my D3 and replaced with 265 60 r18 Yokohama geolander AT's. No issues and after 10K i am rapt with their performance on and off road. Just hoping i get the K's out of them to justify the price

Chimpy, what price did you pay for these? Also anyone have prices on the GGAT2's?