1968 109 2A identification qns

[Sideroad]

Hi all,
I am wondering if anyone has the know how or access to info regarding what my 2A started life as.
1968, LR6cyl (converted to holden 202 about 20 years ago) 109, Chassis no. 34501248G. Bought with Hard top ute roof and seems to never have had any other style fitted.
It has lights in the guards (looks original but you never know) has S3 brake booster, S3 clutch master but 2A slave and pressure plate.
Rear tank and filler similar to wagon (original), front passenger filler looks after factory (rough cut edges).
Has flat smiths heater, fairey over drive and had fairey capstan winch (sold).
Has cable wipers (seems original).
Would be great to know a bit more about it if possible.

Thanks in advance for all info and help.
Nathan

[Jeff]

The very late (1971) Series 2A had Series 3 brake booster and master cylinder. I don't know if they were fitted that early. Other S3 bits that started to appear between 68 and 71 were metric wheel studs, Salisbury rear diff and right at the end the synchro gearbox. Haven't seen a 2A ute with a rear mounted tank as original.

Jeff

:rocket:

[UncleHo]

G'day Sideroad :)

That chassis number makes it the 1245th G suffix Home Market RHD 6cyl vehicle built, If it was originally bought in Qld, it may well have been a completely built up vehicle imported by Annand & Thompson Brisbane, as they did import complete vehicles for stock and to customers order.

It was a very late 2a, and being a 6 cyl would have had boosted brakes as standard, and would be single line brake hydraulics,the cluch master cylinder would have been original as that was about the years of the change from the tin can split system over to the Series 3 types, of seperate clutch master and ready for the later braking systems, and yes the clutch slave cylinder and pressure and driven plate would be the series 2/2a types,coil spring pressure plate, 9 inch driven plate,(it may have had the diaphragm type of pressure plate fitted at a later date (during replacement) if so it would be the diaphragm plate with a "spacer block" on the centre section,(the 2/2a bellhousing is deeper than the S3 type) you might not have the all syncro gearbox, as that only came in available in aust, about 1970>,cable operated wipers would have been original as was key start and flick switches, all of the vehicles post 1966/67 were Negative Earth.(generated) but most now fitted with Bosch alternators,

The rear mounted fuel tank and filler is also an indication of Home (UK) market vehicles, as all LWB's (execpt S/Wagons had under seat tanks)

I hope that is of some help :)

cheers

[Sideroad]

Thanks Uncle Ho,
All you have said lines up, and yes I also think it was a completely built import. I have no idea if it started it's 'convict' life in QLD though.
I don't have full syncro and yes it has flick switches and key start.
Is it likely that the lights in the guards are original considering it may have been built to order?
Oh and the battery is under the passenger seat not in the engine bay, also has LR rear axle and has metric studs.


G'day Sideroad :)

That chassis number makes it the 1245th G suffix Home Market RHD 6cyl vehicle built, If it was originally bought in Qld, it may well have been a completely built up vehicle imported by Annand & Thompson Brisbane, as they did import complete vehicles for stock and to customers order.

It was a very late 2a, and being a 6 cyl would have had boosted brakes as standard, and would be single line brake hydraulics,the cluch master cylinder would have been original as that was about the years of the change from the tin can split system over to the Series 3 types, of seperate clutch master and ready for the later braking systems, and yes the clutch slave cylinder and pressure and driven plate would be the series 2/2a types,coil spring pressure plate, 9 inch driven plate,(it may have had the diaphragm type of pressure plate fitted at a later date (during replacement) if so it would be the diaphragm plate with a "spacer block" on the centre section,(the 2/2a bellhousing is deeper than the S3 type) you might not have the all syncro gearbox, as that only came in available in aust, about 1970>,cable operated wipers would have been original as was key start and flick switches, all of the vehicles post 1966/67 were Negative Earth.(generated) but most now fitted with Bosch alternators,

The rear mounted fuel tank and filler is also an indication of Home (UK) market vehicles, as all LWB's (execpt S/Wagons had under seat tanks)

I hope that is of some help :)

cheers

[UncleHo]

G'day Sideroad :)

All Suffix "G" vehicles would have had the headlights in the guards as original,this didn't appear in the Aust built vehicles until about 1970,although I suspect that your Landrover may be a later model than the 1968 that you say, I would put it at about 1970,or late 69, so it doesn't have the Salisbury rear diff but the Rover type?? as most 6's had the Salisbury to cope with the increase in power from the 2.6ltre 6cyl motor
and yes, the battery would have been under the passengers seat in the 6cyl.

cheers

[Sideroad]

If it is later than '68, could it be a stuff up with the compliance plates reading 1968? Does this happen often?
Oh and no Salisbury diff, but am putting one in though. On 3rd axle (i buy spares and have them on hand just in case) and changing to 3.54s.
Thanks for the info. :)


G'day Sideroad :)

All Suffix "G" vehicles would have had the headlights in the guards as original,this didn't appear in the Aust built vehicles until about 1970,although I suspect that your Landrover may be a later model than the 1968 that you say, I would put it at about 1970,or late 69, so it doesn't have the Salisbury rear diff but the Rover type?? as most 6's had the Salisbury to cope with the increase in power from the 2.6ltre 6cyl motor
and yes, the battery would have been under the passengers seat in the 6cyl.

cheers

[UncleHo]

G'day Sideroad :)

Has this thing got a compliance plate Nathan ?? as Compliance plates (ADR plates) weren't fitted until 1970/71, it would read "this vehicle has been built to comply with ADR27a and have Chassis No and a seating capacity stamped in it also date of manufacture. or has it got the Blue Compliance plate fitted by Qld Transport for a vehicle modification??? (Aah! should of read first post HOLDEN motor= "blue mod plate" ;))

The ADR plate will be fixed onto the radiator support panel (usually on the left side) on the horizontal face,the other side may have a Negative Earth warning plate on it.


cheers

[Sideroad]

I have found this,

345 Model: Land Rover, Series IIA
Body type: Basic
Wheel base: 109in
Engine: 6-cylinder
Model years: 1966-1971
Destination: Home market, right-hand drive (RHD)
01248 Serial number
G Design: Six significant design modifications
Suffix used from April 1969 till October 1971

Looks like you are correct UncleHo, but now that leaves the question of what year is my rover if not '68? And how come it is registered as a '68? Seeing as it has no ADR plate I have to assume that it is most likely a '69.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi all,
I am wondering if anyone has the know how or access to info regarding what my 2A started life as.
1968, LR6cyl (converted to holden 202 about 20 years ago) 109, Chassis no. 34501248G. Bought with Hard top ute roof and seems to never have had any other style fitted.
It has lights in the guards (looks original but you never know) has S3 brake booster, S3 clutch master but 2A slave and pressure plate.
Rear tank and filler similar to wagon (original), front passenger filler looks after factory (rough cut edges).
Has flat smiths heater, fairey over drive and had fairey capstan winch (sold).
Has cable wipers (seems original).
Would be great to know a bit more about it if possible.

Thanks in advance for all info and help.
NathanThe very late (1971) Series 2A had Series 3 brake booster and master cylinder. I don't know if they were fitted that early. Other S3 bits that started to appear between 68 and 71 were metric wheel studs, Salisbury rear diff and right at the end the synchro gearbox. Haven't seen a 2A ute with a rear mounted tank as original.

Jeff

:rocket:Hi guys - me being pedantic here, the servo boosted brake pedal box was introduced on the SIIA suffix G 6 cylinder models. So that would make it a SIIa brake booster.

As Uncle Ho suggests the Suff G 6 all had wide headlamps and the booster on the pedal box. They also had cable operated wipers from the factory (1967 Suffix D onwards) the all plastic steering wheel without the wire spokes and key solenoid start.

If the number is a Home market RHD model, that would make it a private import rather than an Annand and Thompson. (An Annand and Thompson supplied vehicle would be a 346 prefix - 109 Export market RHD 6cyl where the Australian, South African, Iranian built SIIa 109 6's were 347 prefix Export RHD CKD).

I had a similar vehicle, UK built 109 Export RHD 6cyl Suffix G, it had no Salisbury (they were only on the very last SIIa 109's in Suffix H). But the rear tank was a 10 gal similar to the station wagon. It was light tan in colour.