LEDs

[dullbird]

Does anyone know whether there would be any legality issues putting them on a series?

and before you think oh my god that will look awful I'm

thinking of keeping the lights on the guards as normal..only considering leds on the back under the tray...

I think it will look ok if I'm careful about what sort I put on.:)

[Mick-Kelly]

Make sure you have some little red reflectors and i cant see a problem.

[UNDEROVER]

DB, do you want the look of the LED's, or the brightness of them. I have seen somewhere (can't remember exactly) that sell LED bulbs with the old bayonet style fitting to fit into existing light sockets, so you don't have to replace anything bar the bulb.
cheers.

[dullbird]

I dont actually have the light fittings....I need lights full stop so thinking of doing LED's just to kill to birds with one stone..

yes I do ike the brightness of LED's and I do also like the look if they are fitting

[akelly]

FWIW I replaced all the lights on my bike with LEDs and never had any trouble with the law or RTA inspections.

Much better lighting too. I'm thinking about putting the LED bayonet bulbs in my IIA to brighten it up a bit.

You just need to be careful if you are mixing LED and bulbs on the same circuit (like indicators where you might have bulbs at the front and LED at the back) - when I put the front LEDs on the bike the flashers went at a million miles an hour until I put the rear LEDs on (and added a resistor to bring the circuit back to standard resistance).

cheers,

Adam

[BigJon]

If you get ones marked as ADR compliant you will have no issues.

[digger]

"all lights fitted to a vehicle must be operating correctly..."

eg flash at a reasonable speed, not be too dull (except those 6v's)
no one cares how, so if you go LED more power to you...

this also means if you have illegal lights fitted but not wired in (eg anything behnd the headlight line of the vehicle is considered illegal under ADRs, (spotties on roof?!)) then even if you dont wire them in you can get defected...all lights "must be operating correctly" this also applies to the idiots with the fluros under car and in dash etc etc...

the led globe idea sounds good but does it look OK or like crap behind the original lens?

cheers
digger

ps, rolling indicators or brake lights are non compliant, so the led ones that roll >>>> towards turning direction are a no no, as are brake lights (usually centre ones) that do the <<<<<>>>>> thing emanating from the centre...

just thought id mention it just in case!

[dullbird]

the lights i'm looking at are ADR compliant was only thinking about putting the LEDs on the back as there actually under the tray so i dont think it will hurt to have something a little more brighter and quicker repsonse time under there...

I was thinking of leaving the fronts as is...which I'm guessing just means have reistors put in with the LEDs to get hte right amount of power etc..

my thinking with thw LED's is they tak a lot less power our little car has the generator thing on it rather than the alternator so I guess I was thinking less of a draw would be better and in return get bright lights that would be safer.

[drifter]

If you go the LED route, I guess all I can add is: buy them from a reputable manufacturer and only buy ones that come with a warranty.

I put LED lights on the back of my camper trailer around 6 months ago and I have noticed that some of the leds in the 'cluster' have already died.

I was following a flat-back Toyota on Friday on my way to work and noticed he had the same problem with his.

[slug_burner]

the lights i'm looking at are ADR compliant was only thinking about putting the LEDs on the back as there actually under the tray so i dont think it will hurt to have something a little more brighter and quicker repsonse time under there...

I was thinking of leaving the fronts as is...which I'm guessing just means have reistors put in with the LEDs to get hte right amount of power etc..

my thinking with thw LED's is they tak a lot less power our little car has the generator thing on it rather than the alternator so I guess I was thinking less of a draw would be better and in return get bright lights that would be safer.

If you have to use resistors to get the lights to flash at the correct rate then you will not be saving any power at all. The resistors will effectivelly be using the power you think you are saving. Get yourself a flasher can for LEDs and then you will save power as you will not need the resistors.

[UncleHo]

G'day Dullbird :)

Narva do a LED flasher unit :) so all you would have to do is LED the front lights, and fit the LED flasher can they are available in combo types as well 68245BL is one type,direct replacement unit for old type of flasher.

cheers

[dullbird]

so If I was to put LED's on the front (which I'm not that keen to do to be honest) and LEDs on the back I just need to et the combo replacement LED flasher can to replace existing one on the car?

I would not even know what a flasher can looks like hence I'm just making sure I have understood you correct:)

[slug_burner]

I suspect that with a LED flasher can you will not require to change the front lights. The old flasher cans have an oscillator that relies on the resistance of the light globes to set the flashing rate. I suspect although have not checked it for myself that the new flasher cans just use a simple digital timing circuit that is independent of the load offered by the globes or LEDs.

[UncleHo]

G'day Dullbird :)

The Narva flasher, according to their cattledog 2008/10 state that that one(3pin) and some others are compatable with a mix of LED and incandescant globes :) so you wouldn't have to change the front lights :D


cheers

[JDNSW]

As far as legalities go, there should be no problem with lights marked ADR Compliant. On the other hand, fitting LED bulbs to existing fittings is almost certainly not legal, and you will find that the suppliers of these mark them "for display, offroad etc" or something similar. Similar situation to fitting HID bulbs to headlights not designed for them.

On the other hand, the only time they are likely to get detected is in the event that you give the authorities an excuse to go over the car with a fine tooth comb. Something that I have never had happen in over fifty years of driving.

John

[MickS]

These are on my D2 now...from Road Runner at Milperra..

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/04/635.jpg

[dullbird]

funny mick they just look like the ones I was thinking of getting....

are they 200x50x30 if they are they are probably the same.

can I ask what you paid? I was looking over ebay and was looking at about $150 for the pair

[MickS]

funny mick they just look like the ones I was thinking of getting....

are they 200x50x30 if they are they are probably the same.

can I ask what you paid? I was looking over ebay and was looking at about $150 for the pair

From memory, $100 for the pair, including the resistors....plus some air horns...:cool: Road Runner (I think that's their name) are in Riverside Road Moorebank, just down from ARB.

[Basil135]

I bought the LED's for my new rear bumper from here:

Bright Lights Auto Parts - Welcome to the home of Bright Lights Auto Parts (http://www.brightlightautoparts.com/)

I have the reversing lights & combo stop / tail.

The reversing lights are heaps bright enough for backing into most dark spots, and I am using the stop function in the red lights for the fog lights.

I did heaps of looking for LED's, even to the point of ordering some from the US, but I wasn't happy with the look, so ended up with the ones from Oz.

[dullbird]

thats a really good site there basil those lights do look the same as the ones on ebay however the ones on ebay I'm sure are slightly smaller...

however for the saving (nearly half price) I could put a slightly bigger one on..

now my next question...my series doesn't have a reverse light. Is it possible to fit one activated by the gearbox? or is it a case of fitting one and flicking a switch when your going to reverse.

[UncleHo]

G'day Dullbird :)

If your series is a S3 or late 2a,it should have the threaded hole in the rear of the gear lever mounting bracket, with which you can fit the brass series 3 stop lamp switch,this is the original type of fitting, as the lever comes back and depresses the switchthreaded nut adjustable,or, you could get a gear selector complete from a wrecked Ser 3 4cyl and just mount it in place of the 2/2a one the power leads are 1 from a ignition source,(solenoid) and the other goes to the lights, best by following the brake line along, I have a reversing light and a rear fog collision which are the rectangular Defender ones, all switched manually from the dash by lit switches.:)


cheers

[dullbird]

ok maybe manual would just be easier....

My series is 1966 however I do have a gearbox sat on the floor from a series 2a that was around the 72 age I think can't remember now but it had the lights in the guards like the series3 does and the dual window wipers etc so I think it was a very late 2a

[UncleHo]

G'day Dullbird :)

OK, if it still has the gearlever on it check at the back verticle face of the selector mounting, and if there is a 3/8 dia hole in it, that is where the switch goes in, but they don't like being in water a lot, as they are not waterproof,that is why I opted for the dash mounted illuminated type switches for my Rear fog and Reversing lamps,you could probably use similar lamps as on the rear of your Defender :) but I think that yours are the later round type but still surface mount ;) mine are mounted on a plate under my right army bumperette (scone-cutter)

cheers

[dullbird]

yeah I think we will just do the dash mount switch option so not to over complicate things....

I was only thinking because of the possible LED's on the rear to have an LED reverse light also....just all these little things running through my head every time I think about what I'm going to do with the car:lol2:

[dullbird]

bought some...:)

thanks to the link given above for the LED's thats where I bought them from they ae the cheapeast I have seen

[Scouse]

is it a case of fitting one and flicking a switch when your going to reverse.If you go this route, it may be wise to do it after it's registered. My car was defected years ago for having a set up like that :(.

[dullbird]

If you go this route, it may be wise to do it after it's registered. My car was defected years ago for having a set up like that :(.

Thanks for the heads up

[rovers4]

Oz is a funny place.

Here, the use of LED bulbs in existing fittings is encouraged, provided that they have the same or better angle of throw and brightness.
LEDs last longer, have less heat and therefore less contact problems, use less power to drain battery if left on, less prone to suffer from rough terrain.

What is not alowed is to fit complete replacement fittings as these no longer fit the manufacturers descriptions and specs. If the vehicle had a lamp "X" when new( size, reflector, placing, lens type etc), it still needs it. A brighter, clearer indication of driver intent using same fitting is what is wanted.

It is permissable though to add an extra fitting to enhance the display, but the original must stay.

e.g. Defenders can have above rear window tail lamp combos but the factory units stay.

On any vehicle, center mounted brake lamps can be added to any vehicle not having them, but must be non-flashing etc.

Manual reversing lamps are "rear work lamps", with a very visable tell-tale on dash, to avoid the possibility of a white rearward facing lamp being on while driving.

No coloured lamps for "show".

Fog lamps must not glare into oncoming traffic, only be used when foggy or poor visibility.
Driving lamps must go off with hi/lo beam switch, but also have an isolator switch to cover a bumped unit shining wrong place.

Much discussion on problems of the newer vehicles having continuous under bumper fogs etc. Also, the bright red rear fogs are a problem.

Rovers4.

[Scouse]

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[dullbird]

I was just about to ask the same question :D