Lights behind the Grille

[groucho]

Now the purist's can throw rocks at me if they like
I have a couple of pairs of Butler lights the reflecors are are tarnished
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Now i know you can get them Re silvered and new type bulbs
Thw ww2 jeep headlights are almost identical i have a few sets NOS and they are cheaper than the L/R ones.
So i fitted Hella H4 head lights into the jeep ones as you can't see em through the grille. I can run 80/90 H4's that you can buy anywhere........





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[groucho]

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[groucho]

And yes they do work as i have Had them in my GPW for 12 years..




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[Mick-Kelly]

works for me, as long as there is another one back on the road.

[zulu Delta 534]

I fail to see anything wrong with a bit of lateral thinking. Good one.
Regards
Glen

[bayrover]

Fair dinkum, If you do a little searching (series one shop victoria) you can get the originals at not so much a dear price Leave the butchering to the other types not the 80"

[Mick-Kelly]

Fair dinkum, If you do a little searching (series one shop victoria) you can get the originals at not so much a dear price Leave the butchering to the other types not the 80"

Surprisingly enough i dont think $800 for a pair of headlights is reasonable. Would you rather the vehicle was just scrapped? If someone can return an 80 inch to the roads using slightly different headlights that only a rivet counter would spot then good on him. At least it means he can drive and display his pride and joy while waiting for the stock market to increase enough to be able to afford the 'right' replacements. Maybe if the retailer moved away from the profiteering daylight robbery associated with old land rover parts people might actually be motivated to seek out the right parts. If its branded series one land rover expect it to be many hundreds of dollars more expensive than the same massey fergusson tractor part.

[Lost Landy]

At least with the H4s you will be able to see where ur going at night :D thanks for the advice.

[chazza]

It is Groucho's car and he can do what he likes with it!

A top modification at a sensible price - well done Groucho!

Cheers Charlie

[groucho]

At least with the H4s you will be able to see where ur going at night :D thanks for the advice.

I have had the pleasure or mis pleasure of driving a 80" at night
with the original lights that give off the dull yellow glow of 2 candles and droop
down to the bumper when at idle.

[back_in]

why use something that not correct!
when you can get the reflectors re silvered for around $150 and globes a few bucks more
then you have the best for your vehicle
do not take notice of experts who in many cases do not have these vehicles but have a lot of misguided expert info to muddy the waters
there that's my thoughts
cheers
Ian

[groucho]

Fair dinkum, If you do a little searching (series one shop victoria) you can get the originals at not so much a dear price Leave the butchering to the other types not the 80"

Can't possibly see how bolting 2 bloody headlights is butchering the thing
when it takes all of 15 minutes to change them by un doing 2 bolts.
And the realy bad thing is the blue wires are out of a series 3
Just deduct a couple of rivets Fair Dinkum..............

[chazza]

why use something that not correct!
when you can get the reflectors re silvered for around $150 and globes a few bucks more
then you have the best for your vehicle
do not take notice of experts who in many cases do not have these vehicles but have a lot of misguided expert info to muddy the waters
there that's my thoughts
cheers
Ian

Define "correct" Ian. If you mean original, then re-silvering and new globes are no more original than the lights Groucho chose.

As it is your right to have your opinion on what is "correct", so does Groucho (and anyone else for that matter) have the right to decide what is "correct" for their car. I appreciate the ethos of Rover genuine parts when restoring a Land-Rover; I also appreciate the variety amongst Land-Rovers ever since they first appeared on the market. For example; on the Series One Club restorations forum at the moment, there is a very scruffy 107" ute with some delightful sign-writing on the side from the 1950's listing Wolseley and Rover as the marques dealt with by the owner of of the tow-truck. It also has a BMC diesel engine conversion popular in the 1960's. What a shame if it was restored to the condition it left the factory in; that little bit of interesting history would be lost forever to replaced as they say on the forum with a "clone".

My 80" will be another green clone; I wish I knew more about its history but I am not ashamed by the modern changes I have during the restoration. In any case, the changes Groucho has made to the lighting are not irreversible and nothing of significance has been lost!

Cheers Charlie

[back_in]

Charlie
I have no problem with what people do with their cars
I like to see effort made to keep it close to the way it was
when you spend a $ or 2 it not much more to try and keep it as it was
my main gripe is with the non owner experts
not owners bring cars back from the brink of the wreckers
the more out there working is what it is about
cheers
Ian

[Mick-Kelly]

Well I know the 80 inch in my garage came to me with a 2 litre motor mid 50's radiator panel and mid 50's headlights and grill. I have been lucky enough to find a proper lights behind grill setup and she will be put back on the road with massey fergusson lights bought for $40 and the 2 litre is staying as her heartbeat. I believe that is a better outcome than seeing her as a rusty garden ornament slowly oxidizing away.
Remember that landrovers epitomize the parts bin ethos. The cars originated as a hodge podge of what works and what could be found for cheap and easy.

[bayrover]

Well i'm not sure where you get the $800 from???? Alex Ward from Classic Ob Victoria had NOS reflectors for $25 bucks a piece and for the little cost of a globe we have a nice resto. And for the fellow that said he had the displeasure of driving a 80" with candlelights etc etc etc simple solution. Get a defender or later model. I'm out of hear with my last post ever on this forum. Good luck with your modifications

[dullbird]

bat and ball......:lol2:

[digger]

Well i'm not sure where you get the $800 from???? Alex Ward from Classic Ob Victoria had NOS reflectors for $25 bucks a piece and for the little cost of a globe we have a nice resto. And for the fellow that said he had the displeasure of driving a 80" with candlelights etc etc etc simple solution. Get a defender or later model. I'm out of hear with my last post ever on this forum. Good luck with your modifications

Bayrover,
(I assume you will still read the threads,)
what did this achieve?, If you don't agree with someones opinion then say so,maybe suggest why and alternatives, but if they don't come around to
your way of thinking surely its not worth leaving the forum completely!?

this would defeat the "forum" part of the whole concept.

After a period where you may cool down I hope you will resume posting.

[Scallops]

I hope you might return too, bayrover - we can easily take the wrong end of stuff in the format that is these forums - we all love Landies - especially S1's - so we should be able to demonstrate a bit of give and take between ourselves. After all, that is why we all find ourselves here.

I read your comment as you were trying to help. :)

But our restos are precious to us - I also think that "butchering" is just not the plan - so sometimes we might bark back.

[russellrovers]

come back from the wilderness:confused: bayrover :wasntme:

[Rangier Rover]

:eek: Why does one get offended by a minor change in ancillaries that is 100% reversible:)
I think your choice in lighting is sensible and can be changed back to the candle lights.
At least at a distance or to the untrained eye it will look right.;) rather than hanging driving lights on it etc.
Just don't lose the originals.:)

[groucho]

Well i'm not sure where you get the $800 from???? Alex Ward from Classic Ob Victoria had NOS reflectors for $25 bucks a piece and for the little cost of a globe we have a nice resto. And for the fellow that said he had the displeasure of driving a 80" with candlelights etc etc etc simple solution. Get a defender or later model. I'm out of hear with my last post ever on this forum. Good luck with your modifications

I did have an 80" for my daily driver for 11 years
I do own a Defender a series 3 and a disco Over..... Sook

[Lotz-A-Landies]

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Me Personally

If someone wants to be pragmatic and make a vehicle they own, usable and enjoyable and that modification can be undone with a spanner or screwdriver, then I have absolutely no problem with it. With possibly the partial exception in the case of a vehicle of particular significance, however if the original parts are retained and the modification can be undone without any additional holes being present, then my original opinion stands.

What I consider butchering, is when someone drills out the spot welded Butler headlamp brackets on a good grill just so they can pop rivet them onto another vehicle. That and when someone removes all the tags from a vehicle they don't own so that they can fit them to a vehicle that never had them.

[groucho]

Ok sorry for being nasty will go to the naughty corner. Any chance of a piccy of you with your mod hat on.?

[digger]

(groucho) "Any chance of a piccy of you with your mod hat on.? "



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HERE IS ONE I TOOK EARLIER!
DIGGER

these mod hats are expensive!

[Landy Smurf]

i hear where you are coming from groucho,and i think a wise choice.i know that i wont be able to put or use alot of the original parts as some of it is just to expensive for a school kid with out a job to do,who ever said it before hit the nail on the head "another one on the road"that is so true i know we would all like to have them 100% original but thats pretty hard alot of the time.not just to groucho but everyone else that is restoring specially a series one thanks and good luck with it

[groucho]

(groucho) "Any chance of a piccy of you with your mod hat on.? "



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HERE IS ONE I TOOK EARLIER!
DIGGER

Thanks for that. Just as i pictured.:p