War veterans banned from land rovers for Anzac Day parades

[straydog]

War veterans banned from land rovers for Anzac Day parades | Courier Mail (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/war-veterans-banned-from-land-rovers-for-anzac-day-parades/story-e6freon6-1225856114666)

What is going on with this world!? :confused:

[Treads]

Yep, it's definitely gone to **** :(

[JDNSW]

And the picture titled "BUREAUCRATIC MADNESS': Red tape will prevent some veterans from riding in Army Land Rovers on Anzac Day." has not a Landrover in sight. As far as ican see they are all Jeeps except for the truck at the front, which is certainly not a Landrover!

John

[Rangier Rover]

Not a Land Rover to be seen in that lot. You would think once a year OH&S could ease off.:mad:
Those there at the time can make the risk assessment and take the necessary precautions. :confused: Most of the oldies I have been around seem to know their limitations and are happy to be helped when necessary.:)

[101 Ron]

I get involved with the local ANZAC march every year with my vehicles.
The facts are Jeeps are much harder to get vets in and out of as there legs are not as flexible as they used to be and to get in a jeep you need to tuck your legs in hard to get though the cut away in the body.
Taxi cabs and landrovers are much better for the purpose.
I have found that much help is always on hand at these marches to help the diggers in and out of the vehicles.
Some one falling getting in and out of a vehicle is my greatest worry and I ensure I personally am on hand to help.
these days I concentrate on young kids and parents in vehicles to do flag waving and to help give the ANZAC experience to a newer generation as most of the old timers just cannot do it much any more.
There is that risk of being sued and it is a worry that I am putting my house on line for a march.
I ensure that the vehicle never goes faster than 2nd gear low range( walking pace) with people in the back.
My Studebaker has a small alloy ladder I carry to people people in a out and I tend to personally lift young kids in and out and ensure the parents are in the back too.
The law is a arse.
I do it for the faces on the diggers and the newer generation also wants the old army trucks leading the diggers in the local march and the trucks are apart of the march like the scouts, the Taxi cabs, the Navy, the RAAF, The Army, the country women's assoc etc and most importantly the diggers.
It is there day and as long as the RSL wants me there I am happy to give some time, but should I have to risk my house and family property to someone getting accidently getting hurt in older type vehicles, or do we just park them and just look at them.
Ron

[Landy Smurf]

that is the biggest load of crap ever

[FenianEel]

Did anyone actually "read" the article?
The gist of it is that the CO at Karakatta Barracks, wouldn't release any of the ADF Landies.
That's it.
A stupid decision, but it won't stop Landies in parades, private or otherwise.

[3toes]

"The amended OH&S Act has resulted in the liability being placed on the Commander and the Commonwealth should any injuries occur."

While not local to this which appears to have happened in WA and is being reported in QLD so there is plenty of room for missunderstanding before I add in my comment from the other side of the world think that the quote above is the key part of the story.

The Commander involved is not prepared to take the risk of the associated liability which this (new?) law puts back to his / her door in the event something goes wrong. You can well imagine how quickly the government would hang the Commander out to dry financially if the worst happened.

[djhampson]

Not only is the photo a poor match to the article, where are the capital letters for Land Rover in the headline?

Bloody Jurnos

[vnx205]

Not only is the photo a poor match to the article, where are the capital letters for Land Rover in the headline?

Bloody Jurnos

Perhaps the journo is one of those who thinks "land rover" is some sort of generic term that means 4WD, in the same way that people used to use "jeep" as a generic term. In that case he/she would think it didn't need capitals.

It was only two days ago that I had a conversation with a 17 year old that went something like this:
Him, "What sort of vehicle is yours?"
Me, "A Land Rover."
Him, "Is it a land rover Jeep?"
Me, "No. It's a Land Rover."
Him, "Is it a Toyota?"
Me, "No. It's a Land Rover Defender. Land Rover is a brand, like Jeep or Toyota."
Him, "Oh!"

[UncleHo]

G'day Folks :)

The pic is of Jeeps which is supplied each year by the Military Jeep Club of Qld for the Brisbane Parade :) these veterans are loaded and unloaded from a special ramp and platform at the start and end of the parade circuit, by VERY experienced members, some of these members are also WW11 veterans as well, so they know of the logistics,all the vehicles jeeps are supplied on a voluntary basis and have to meet a strict code of parade condition, there is also a small contingent of serving military vehicles in the Brisbane Parade,all of the privately owned Landrovers are there by request/invitation of the respective units :)

Suburban Parades are slightly different,the last 2 years I towed the 105mm Pack Howitzer for the Artillery Assn in the city march, but this year I will be doing some local ones :)

A lot of veterans are also carried in Golf Buggies in Brisbane march as well.


cheers

[zulu Delta 534]

I See both sides of this discussion as, firstly, I own a military vehicle that participates in the parade and also, secondly, attend the AD March committee meetings and hear what they are up against as a body.
Unfortunately the 'Elf and Safety' issue has declared quite some time ago that military vehicles were unsuitable for the carrying of troops, hence our soldiers are nowadays carried to battle in coaches or aircraft that are fitted with seatbelts rather than in the back of a Land Rover or truck, so it is a natural progression that from the Military's eyes, if they can be sued for carrying their own, how open are they to legal action if they carry someone else.
Personally as far as the article is concerned, the military commander made the right choice.
As for the photograph showing Jeeps, well, after all, that is what happens in Qld., the MJCQ, at the request of the AD March Committee, voluntarily supply these vehicles to carry the incapacitated diggers, and these would be the only photographs readily to hand to illustrate the story. Surely it is a bit much to expect a journalist to be intelligent and accurate, as well as imaginative!!
As an aside, because of restraints inflicted by insurance Companies under the guise of Health and Safety and other "anti sue" bodies, veterans over 80 years of age pose a major threat to organising bodies of these functions in that the march is deemed a threat to the aged veterans well-being, and therefore an insurance risk. The responsibility of the veterans well-being falls squarely back on the shoulders (on this day) of the march organisers.
We all know that the vast majority of the veterans are of the ilk that would never think of suing, but unfortunately in the real world there are many "hangers on" in most families, of later generation's thinking, who would see an accident such as this to be a windfall, ideal to supplement the existing dole!
80 years of age has been the age limit set for quite some time by the Insurance Companies, but we never noticed it as it really only affected a minority, but as of the last couple of years this age group includes all WWll vets and therefore is attracting a lot more press attention.
As an example this year, because of the above mentioned reasons, the WWll veterans will be 'marching' /riding on vehicles 'en bloc' rather than marching proudly under separate unit banners.
That means, on a more personal level, that I have only got 14 Anzac Days left in me before I too am deemed an insurance risk and can no longer march.:o I wonder whether I will still be allowed to drive?
Regards
Glen

[Bigbjorn]

70 years of age has been the age limit set for quite some time by the Insurance Companies, but we never noticed it as it really only affected a minority, but as of the last couple of years this age group includes all WWll vets and therefore is attracting a lot more press attention.
Glen

I doubt if there is a WW2 veteran under 80 and the majority of survivors are now over 85. Vietnam veterans are now aged from 60 to 90.

[Bigbjorn]

Add to the above that Korea veterans are over 75.

[Landy Smurf]

i had a coversation similar to yours with my friend whos dad owns a range rover i had to explain it is a land rover range rover land rover being the brand and range rover being the vehicle

[StuRR80]

Unfortunately the 'Elf and Safety' issue has declared quite some time ago that military vehicles were unsuitable for the carrying of troops, hence our soldiers are nowadays carried to battle in coaches or aircraft that are fitted with seatbelts rather than in the back of a Land Rover or truck, so it is a natural progression that from the Military's eyes, if they can be sued for carrying their own, how open are they to legal action if they carry someone else.


"Funny" (or should that be moronic??) - safely coached into combat (so the Govt/Commander doesn't get sued) to be shot at.... :angel:
Show's how ridiculous these laws are getting. Has anyone seen the Chain of Responsbility for logistics??!
Sorry - my pet hates. Back to the ANZAC Day topic...! :wasntme:

[VladTepes]

Did anyone actually "read" the article?
The gist of it is that the CO at Karakatta Barracks, wouldn't release any of the ADF Landies.
That's it.
A stupid decision, but it won't stop Landies in parades, private or otherwise.

Why not? Was he afraid a local war might break out and he'd need them ?