Range Rover TD6 vs RRS TDV6

[101RRS]

I have been looking at Range Rover Sports TDV6 with a view to upgrade from my Freelander. Obviously looking for as cheap as possible with less than about 70,000km. There are a few about but the cheapest RRS are the V8s and black in colour.

While looking I have also come across a couple of low KM Range Rover L322 HSE 05MY TD6s for about the same price as 05/06MY RRS TDV6.

How do the two compare as vehicles. Clearly the RRS is a little newer design wise with 6 speed vs the RR HSE 5 speed and newer interior. (I appreciate the RR went through a major update for the 06MY).

How does the 3 litre BMW six in the RR compare with the 2.7 TDV6 or even the much newer 3.0 TDV6. I assume the diff problems in the RR was fixed by the 05MY.

Any other pros or cons - RRS does seem to be holding its value better than the RR but maybe not an issue buying a 5 yo version. I would not go earlier that about 05MY for the RR HSE.

Cheers

Garry

[harlie]

There are MY05 L322s having the diff recall done now - I'm not sure when it was sorted but LR Aus is changing them. Once the recall is complete the car has the same Diff as later MY07 cars.

MY06 upgrade was virtually only cosmetic for the diesel variants, it wasn't until the release of the tdV8 that the diesel RR received the full upgrade.

I'm in the process of this same decision. In standard form the RRS has a bit more power (140-130) and torque (440-390) and as you mentioned an extra gear, the 2.7 is IMO is a little quieter. They are pretty much the same weight (RRS 2425 - 2400kg???) so the RRS should be a little more responsive to drive. The RRS has significantly less internal space. RRS has Terrain Response which L322 didn't get until the tdV8. RRS models seem to be, on average better equipped - 02 to 05 L322 HSE had a few options to tick, and from what I see not many were ticked..

L322 originally had BMW electronics. They were gradually changed between 04 and 06, so vehicles in this range will have a mix of BMW and Ford, and yes it's a mix, they were gradually changed, so these vehicles actually have 2 Bus Systems for the computers - 1 BMW & 1 Ford (CAN). I'm not sure that's a big problem, but it does make it interesting when looking for a diagnostic kit for home, you would need to know exactly what you have.

A big one for me is the stupid folding towbar on the RRS, L322 has a old fashion solid tow point.

[gghaggis]

A big one for me is the stupid folding towbar on the RRS, L322 has a old fashion solid tow point.

You can retro-fit the MY2010 tow system to the older RRS/D3's - it's a bit better than the older ones, as it does not hang down so low.

Cheers,

Gordon

[harlie]

You can retro-fit the MY2010 tow system to the older RRS/D3's - it's a bit better than the older ones, as it does not hang down so low.

Cheers,

Gordon

Is it still a folding arrangement?

[gghaggis]

Not quite sure what you mean by 'folding'?

The hitch/receiver slots and locks into the underside of the chassis bar (where the recovery point is). So it's 'removable', but I wouldn't call it 'folding'??

Cheers,

Gordon

[101RRS]

Thanks Harlie - that is the sort of information I am looking for.

Cheers

Garry

[cairnsrover]

There are MY05 L322s having the diff recall done now - I'm not sure when it was sorted but LR Aus is changing them. Once the recall is complete the car has the same Diff as later MY07 cars.

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Hi there

do you have any more information on this. I have a 05 one and the local dealer is claiming not to know about any recall. Any information from anyone would be greatly appreciated

[cairnsrover]

Hi there

do you have any more information on this. I have a 05 one and the local dealer is claiming not to know about any recall. Any information from anyone would be greatly appreciated

A bit more digging and have just found out that it was done by Sydney dealer in April this year

[Daniel]

When I purchased my L322td6 in 2005 I took both it and the RRS for a drive to compare.

The RRS is horrible to sit in! It feels like a cocoon and I'd imagine it would be very uncomfortable after a long trip.

Also when taking both vehicles over a rutty paddock at some speed the L322 thrashed the RRS for comfort.

The RRS appeared to have a better performance.

6 speed v 5 speed transmission - who cares? - in the L322 one never knows which gear its in anyway!

[samrutter]

I know this thread has long been left alone, I am experiencing the same dilemma.

TD6 HSE L322 or TDV6 L320? What do you imagine the highest kilometre Sports to be like - troublesome? Done some research and the L322 seems the way to go although it is getting outdated and the mileage of some on carsales scares me away a little bit.

[101RRS]

The Sport is a fun car the L322 is a fully fat old persons car :wasntme:

[disco gazza]

I've just purchased an L322,admittedly its an 03 model,but when I looked at the RRS I didn't like the shape of it. Prefer the full fat shape.
As for power,its got heaps after coming from a Disco 200tdi..:p:D

cheers

[Camo]

I've just purchased an L322,admittedly its an 03 model,but when I looked at the RRS I didn't like the shape of it. Prefer the full fat shape.
As for power,its got heaps after coming from a Disco 200tdi..:p:D

cheers

Pfft doubt you would have noticed much.. the L322's engine is only 0.5 of a litre bigger .. geez:p

[Daniel]

I now have about 210k kms on my 2005 td6 L322. Done nothing to it other than routine engine oil & filter changes at 22k km intervals. I replaced the pollen filter at 150k km but the old one was spotless. The tyres are usually repalced as often as the engine oil. The front diff drive flange was done under factory recall. I did replace the front suspension struts and rear shocks at 150k km which provided a minor improvement to handling although we then found out that new tyres made a far larger difference.
I have been trying to get around to changing the transmission fluid but not done yet.
I don't think there is anything to be frightened off with high km L322s.
There are plenty of td5 Discos getting around with 500k kms plus.
I'd just factor in about $5k for a transmission o'haul at some stage.
From what I can decipher from others experiences go for August 2005 models and newer. Older L322s may have had suspect fuel pumps and transmission valve bodies.

[disco gazza]

It moves its arse a lot quicker than my 200tdi :p:D

cheers

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I reckon the L322 is the best looking LR ever made,, worst gearbox/engine combo ever,, but cant beat the shape;)

but I believe Garry has already made his decision--:angel::p

[101RRS]

I reckon the L322 is the best looking LR ever made

:eek2::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[Pedro_The_Swift]

just because you prefer the sister with the eating disorder,, :angel:

[samrutter]

Thankyou all for your replies, but I'm still wondering about what massive problems a TDV6 would have nearing 200k? As for the L322 TD6, what are the maintenance costs like for routine oil changes and such (On a tight budget+youngest member of AULRO+mechanically have no idea) I would only be using this car for touring and majority of its use would be city.

Cheers, Sam

[Laurie]

As long as syntheic oil has always been used and the oil changed reguarly, the engine should be good for many more Klm's. The timing belts etc should have been changed around 160k, so that is a big expence out of the way. The big killer of modern common rail diesels is fuel contamination.
Personally I prefer straight 6 diesels, and the Td6 is very robust unit, as far as servicing; they would be around the same, if you get your parts from one of the independant suppliers.
For specific problems with the sport there are the RR Sport forums to browse.

Laurie

[donrover0]

I agree with Laurie.

Depends on whether you want a BMW straight 6 or Peugeot bent 6?

As far as power goes, I previously had 94 LSE with upgraded TD5- basically same/similar power and torque to L322 TD6, but the TD6 seems to keep torque longer through rev range. I guess those extra 400cc 's help?
I have not compared with TDv6.