Fitting Child restraints in Puma 130 Dual Cab Method ?

[pc3]

Anyone Fitted the Child Seat restraints in there 130 PUMA twin Cab ? what method has been used and at what price ?

Its annoying they dont come set up for it, looks like $500 aprox to get a couple of restraints fitted.

[one_iota]

The Good Oil Section is your friend:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/good-oil/57559-child-restraint-anchor-points-kid-baby-seats-capsule-booster-crab-creb-bar.html

Hope this helps. :)

[abaddonxi]

Are the seats in the Puma 130 different to other 130s? It might be a whole different setup.

Need some pics.:D

[frantic]

There are pics in the forum mentioned , from memory of a earlier 130 with a H frame bar behind the seats to hold three child restraint bolts. I have a 2002 td5110 wagon and this thread was a great help to get my bar with 3 bolts fitted. It cost about $395 decmber last year from memory. This was fully rta approved.
P.s thanks admin for grouping all the restraint threads together:D

[muddys1]

hey pc3
I just picked up brand new 110 crew cab yesterday and went straight to TL engineering here in Perth to try and get restraints fitted !!!
biggest problems are the aluminium body and the height of the rear seats, as they come from the wagon and not just made for the crewcab, you cant secure over the back of the seat toward the floor.
your 130 cab is pretty much like a 110cab so you may have the same dramas i'm haveing, but the bloke at TL was going to make some calls over east yesterday and find out what he could, when i here back from him i'll let you know

cheers
muddys1

[pc3]

hey pc3
I just picked up brand new 110 crew cab yesterday and went straight to TL engineering here in Perth to try and get restraints fitted !!!
biggest problems are the aluminium body and the height of the rear seats, as they come from the wagon and not just made for the crewcab, you cant secure over the back of the seat toward the floor.
your 130 cab is pretty much like a 110cab so you may have the same dramas i'm haveing, but the bloke at TL was going to make some calls over east yesterday and find out what he could, when i here back from him i'll let you know

cheers
muddys1

When I was looking at buying one form Geelong LR they quoted $250 per restraint.....I am not sure who they intended to use but I think I will wait and here what your contact has to say before I take action. I think it will be possible just some mucking around.............really should be standard in a car of this price !! The previous posters may be referring to methods withour the high rear seats of the PUMA's

[muddys1]

well, where do i start !, you cant put restraints into crew cabs.
the guy at TL eng made some calls over east to the people that make the anchors, the problems being that a retraint cannot be anymore than 100mm below the top of the seat, and due to the design of the rear of the cab there is no way to mount any bar work behind the seats at the correct hieght, rear and curved windows seem to appear in the wrong place .
the seats seem to be the biggest issue, from memory the older 130's had lower seats, but the seats in the puma's are direct from the wagon.
and of course you cant bolt anything to aluminium.
this was not the news i wanted to hear, and i'm sure you didn't want it either, my missus is not a happy camper at the moment, but are little bloke is over 18kg which means he has to be in a booster seat but he can wear the normal seat belt.
i suggest you go to LR in Geelong and see what they have to say, maybe they have some different ideas, let me know if you have any luck.

disapointed
muddys1

p.s, the restraints used in UK and Europe are diffrent to here so if in the UK you wouldn't have a problem.

[pc3]

This is a Major pia this was my whole reason for buying a dual cab. There has to be a way!!

So when your child reaches 18 kg they then have to go into a booster seat and use regular seat belt us this correct ?

[muddys1]

dont quote me on the weight thing for the moment, as my wife was going to look it up on one of the government web sites just to double check.
i have the same pia at the moment, in the UK the seat restraints are down by the seatbelt clips, so they dont have to worry about going over the seat with straps, and for the few defender crew cabs they sell outside of the UK and Europe that are needed by families isn't worth the engineering cost.
get back to you soon, or you maybe able to search govt websites your self, i know child restraint laws have changed recently.

cheers
muddys1

[Yorkshire_Jon]

You say it's a double cab right?

I was concerned about this when my 110dc came over from the uk. BUT I was told that the double cabs are classed as commercials and don't need anything (seat anchors) to be retro fitted. Problem solved for me.

Also if the car was bought in Australia, don't LR have a responsibility to make sure it complies with all Aus laws?

Or am I missing something?

[muddys1]

please check your local state or terriotory laws, they maybe commercial vehicles in the eyes of manufactorers, but when it come to law, each state is different and each state requires children to properly restrained to the relavent standards regardless of the vehicle they are traveling in.
as i mentioned before, in the uk and europe the method of retraining children is different to here, even if you bought a car from a different country you have to comply with the relavent standards for the state your vehicle is regeisted in.
i'll have to wait 3 months before my little bloke turns 4 then he can use a lap/sash in his booster seat.
i just googeled child resraints and it brings up all the info .

let me know how you all get on as this will be an issue with all crew cab owners with children under 7

cheers
muddys1

[muddys1]

sorry jon,
missed the part about responsability by land rover au
i would think you are right, my salesman told me he would fit anchor points for me, then he said they cant and gave me address' of companies who do, now he doesn't work there anymore.....lol
had to deal with someone else when i picked up c/c on thursday
guess we're in limbo ?

cheers
muddys1

[abaddonxi]

You say it's a double cab right?

I was concerned about this when my 110dc came over from the uk. BUT I was told that the double cabs are classed as commercials and don't need anything (seat anchors) to be retro fitted. Problem solved for me.

Also if the car was bought in Australia, don't LR have a responsibility to make sure it complies with all Aus laws?

Or am I missing something?

At least in NSW, and I think this applies to the rest of Australia, commercial vehicles aren't required to fit child restraint anchor points.

I went through a bunch of trouble working out how to get anchor points installed on my 130.

On a Puma 130 you can probably put anchor points in the back of the rear bulkhead, mounted 100mm or less from the top of the seat, and just have a huge load-spreading piece on the outside of the cab. I didn't go with this, but it was a possibility.

Check out the thread in The Good Oil, it includes contacts from many of the restraint fitters, possibly a copy of the ADRs that apply - can't recall if I posted them, design for a bar, etc.

It is worthwhile chasing down a specialist child restraint fitter, one of the two best in NSW also converts cars for disabled access/driving - that type of service might be worth chasing up in other states.

Any non-standard anchor point will need design/approval by an approved automotive engineer, and as I was told, approval is either based on destructive testing, or making it so strong that the vehicle would be destroyed before the anchor point.

PM me if you want further info.

[one_iota]

I've a work colleague with youngsters with a Mitsubishi Crew Cab.... same issue there I think...as his has a post set-up in the rear. I'll ask him about it tomorrow.

[pc3]

Thanks for that 1 iota dealer did not want to talk about it much he may have been concerned I was backing out of the deal truth is I want the 130 twin cab and I will find a work around. For me it's the most versatile car on the market. Enough modern stuff in the dash tough truck attributes for outback travel ability to take the family and a decent sizes tray you don't get on other dual cabs. If I just get hopefully get a puma without to many problems I will be wrapped. The 130 puma with mud rails is the best twin cab other than doing a chop and add a tray to a cruiser wagon but it's far too much $$$$. Then the only thing it would have over the puma is a bigger motor and mire cabin space, but the puma would still be better off road.

If I can sort a work around for the restraints it will be good.

Looks like I gave rambelled on I'm just excited to get my new 130 dual cab!!!!!!

[muddys1]

i went to TL eng here in Perth, these guys have been chopping landcruisers for years and making crew cabs for the mining industry, they also do mobility conversions etc, probably the best people in the state, i was in the guys office while he was talking to the anchor point makers, its the hieght of the new seats thats the real issue, and if you look in the owners manual it says not to place child restraints over the top of the seats, the guy was also thinking of putting a bar across the back, but it has to be so big there's just no room for it with the new style of seats.
if you could get an older syle of seat which is lower, then you may not have the issue's.
and you cannot just bolt through the bulkhead and sandwich it with steel, its just not that simple with aluminium.
i didn't think it would be so difficult, but it appears to be once you start getting into all the engineering stuff that has to be certified and someone could be held liable, the guy at TL's wasn't just trying to get rid of me, i think he tried pretty hard and in the end he just said sorry, cant do anything for you.
i was pretty disapointed and my wife was hitting the roof when she found out.
but if anyone comes up with an idea that works, please let me know

good luck

muddys1:(

[abaddonxi]

Child restraint anchor point ADR here-
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrument1.nsf/0/7682534496EF20FDCA2570D5001E9CDD/$file/ADR+34-01+ES+%5BFINAL+FRLI%5D.pdf

[one_iota]

I've a work colleague with youngsters with a Mitsubishi Crew Cab.... same issue there I think...as his has a post set-up in the rear. I'll ask him about it tomorrow.

His was done by these people:

http://www.pearceschildrestraints.com.au/index.html (http://www.pearceschildrestraints.com.au/index.html)

They are based in Mona Vale Sydney so probably only for Sydneyites

[muddys1]

not really sure i understood that pdf, but it looks like you can put a restraint anywhere in the shaded area ????;), i'm off this morning to another seatbelt place across town and see what they say or can do.
i'll let you'se know how i get on.

cheers
muddys1

[muddys1]

ok, well i've had a bit of a win.
went to a place called seatbelt solutions and they have what is called a ute kit , $65 plus fitting and is ok to put in defenders, so i'll make a date for the fender in a couple of weeks time when i'm back from work.
i did ask about places in the east, and littles in NSW should be able to help those folks and i think the place in vic was automotive something or other, hate when you forget names, but the item is called a UTE KIT, hope this helps those of you with crew cabs like me.
good luck.:D

cheers
muddys1

[pc3]

Muddy I Phoned them they can sell me a kit !! I am going to wait and talk to you after yours is done and see if your happy............just remember to get some sort of rust protection done where the steel touches the aliminium and also coat where you have the drilling done and it should be all good !!!!

My car will take 7-10 days to get to Vic...............my cruiser sold and was taken away to day so I have no car !!

aulro what a great site !!

[muddys1]

hey pc3, great news.
will ring them tomorrow to book in but wont be for a couple of weeks as i'm off on wednesday back to work (i'm a flyin flyout miner) but only away for a week this time as i'm taking night shift off and the following week we are going to Kalgoorlie for a few days to give the new fender a run and catch up with friends and drink lots....lol
but i'll let you know how it goes and try and take some pics for you

cheers
muddys1

[pc3]

hey pc3, great news.
will ring them tomorrow to book in but wont be for a couple of weeks as i'm off on wednesday back to work (i'm a flyin flyout miner) but only away for a week this time as i'm taking night shift off and the following week we are going to Kalgoorlie for a few days to give the new fender a run and catch up with friends and drink lots....lol
but i'll let you know how it goes and try and take some pics for you

cheers
muddys1

can't wait for the pics of your rig muddy!

[stace70]

Muudy.....did you get the child restraint done??? I have just paid the deposit for a 130 and will need the restraints.

Cheers Stace

[Gillie]

This may be worth a try.
I have been looking at new vehicles and the sales guy said ARB do restraints. $300 per restraint. That is all I know.

[muddys1]

mine has been fitted, i thought i had posted the pics, anyway, wife decided to get 1 fitted , got it done by; seatbelt solutions 1/35 colin jamieson drive, welshpool here in perth, ph 089258 3666
www.seatbeltsolutions.com.au (http://www.seatbeltsolutions.com.au)
they did a good job and fitted the modification plate (sticker) to the drivers door, think it cost $240 for 1 fitment, but pretty happy with the job and piece of mind.

[stace70]

woud appreciate some pics mate.....a few guys here in newcastle are happy to do a job (particularly if they have an idea of past successful jobs!!!!).

Cheers Stace

[scrambler]

woud appreciate some pics mate.....a few guys here in newcastle are happy to do a job (particularly if they have an idea of past successful jobs!!!!).

Cheers Stace
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/105708-110-crewcab-child-restraint.html