Puma 09 Transmission Vibration on Highway

[Rustydog]

Hi All, I have an 09 Puma with 10k on the clock. On the highway yesterday a virbration/grinding noise appeared. I could only reproduce the sound/feel when ever I decelerated from about 110km/h to 100km/h. It did no occur below 100km/h.
It was more apparent from the right side of the car and felt like it was coming more from the rear than the front. Everything checks out ok, the front prop shaft has a lot more play than the rear but nothing out of the usual.??
The clutch has already been changed by LR

Any Ideas?? Thanks

[Cannonball]

Might be the rear differential. They all seem to whine when lifting off from 120kph to 70kph. Noise levels vary from vehicle to vehicle. Told it was normal, feel mine is a little excessive though when compared to others.

[Scallops]

Agree that is likely the issue, but they don't all do it - it's not normal - it is something to be fixed under warranty. ;)

[n plus one]

Agree that is likely the issue, but they don't all do it - it's not normal - it is something to be fixed under warranty. ;)

You talking about vibration on a neutral/trailing throttle? Or the whine Cannonball mentioned?

Mine seams to have developed the above mentioned vibration (I'm over 20k) - I mentioned it during the service and was told it LR had stated it was part of normal operation (for want of a better term).

Wasn't too worried about it at the time as it's not that bad and was trying to get a few other issues resolved at the time -one of which is a kind of clunk/pong noise as I take off from the lights - kind of like there's a small amount of play in the diff mounts/swaybar area. Anyway, they never found it and I'm wondering whether they are related.

Rustydog - does yours do this? With the vibration, it seems ours both picked it up at roughly the same mileage - sounds like it's related to premature wear?

[dullbird]

You talking about vibration on a neutral/trailing throttle? Or the whine Cannonball mentioned?

Mine seams to have developed the above mentioned vibration (I'm over 20k) - I mentioned it during the service and was told it LR had stated it was part of normal operation (for want of a better term).

Wasn't too worried about it at the time as it's not that bad and was trying to get a few other issues resolved at the time -
one of which is a kind of clunk/pong noise as I take off from the lights - kind of like there's a small amount of play in the diff mounts/swaybar area. Anyway, they never found it and I'm wondering whether they are related.

Rustydog - does yours do this? With the vibration, it seems ours both picked it up at roughly the same mileage - sounds like it's related to premature wear?

I have this problem:o......I can re create it if I pull away in first slowly and dip the clutch and pull away again and dip and so on and so forth.

its sounds a bit like the exhaust knocking or a bush knocking to me it's very annoying.

I had a very similar sound in my disco and it ended up being bushes

[Rustydog]

n plus one
My problem is a definate grinding/vibration not just a whine, its like I have driven over the ripple strips on the side of the highway. Only happens when I lift my foot off the throttle in gear.??

Will be hard to reproduce to a mechanic unless I get him out on the highway with me.:eek:

[dullbird]

n plus one
My problem is a definate grinding/vibration not just a whine, its like I have driven over the ripple strips on the side of the highway. Only happens when I lift my foot off the throttle in gear.??


Will be hard to reproduce to a mechanic unless I get him out on the highway with me.:eek:

then get them out on the highway....

we have done this a couple of times as our diff only made really bad noises up in the high speeds

[n plus one]

n plus one
My problem is a definate grinding/vibration not just a whine, its like I have driven over the ripple strips on the side of the highway. Only happens when I lift my foot off the throttle in gear.??

Will be hard to reproduce to a mechanic unless I get him out on the highway with me.:eek:


Yep, mines the same - I'm gunna' take the mech at the local dealer for a ride when work quitens down a bit.

Dullbird -yep mine's the same as that too (ain't I the lucky one-got all the problems :D).

Looks like this is gunna' be a good thread...

[Scallops]

You talking about vibration on a neutral/trailing throttle? Or the whine Cannonball mentioned?



I think these 2 symptoms are part of the same problem. At any rate - nothing is normal about it. It should be addressed under your warranty.

I've had many examples of issues that LR dealers say are "normal", only to be subsequently fixed when someone like MR point out the exact problem to them.

You need to persevere with the dealers to get it fixed.

[Gav110]

I had the 'pong' in my TD5. Seemed to me like when the slack in the prop/diff was being taken up. I had it into the dealer twice. First time they said they fixed it; second time they said it was 'part of being a Defender' - but I think that's rubbish.

If it happens again with my new Puma I will be taking it back until it's fixed. Seems like my instincts were right the first time.

[one_iota]

They (the dealers) are very good at deflecting and not at detecting. Their skills were honed watching re-runs of Faulty Towers

So the routine seems to be:

1) Sir, this is a vehicle designed to be used on a farm (you should have bought a Range Rover).

2) Sir, you have had a snorkel fitted..... you should take it back to the installer as he has disturbed the settings on the rear tailshaft.

3) Sir, (with smarmy grin) Oil leaks are part of the Land Rover Experience. That oozing from the rear pinion seal, front swivel joints, and that little weep from the steering box is within acceptable limits

......

167) Sir, your driving style needs to adjust to the perfectly re-engineered clutch, reprogrammed EMU and new bolt in the turbo heat shield

.....

10001) Please will you stop complaining and just go away we've more important things to do....next please

The moral of the story is approach them with persistance and armed with the facts.

[dullbird]

:lol2: very funny Mahn :D

[one_iota]

:lol2: very funny Mahn :D

Some times it approaches farce...

Mine has a noise from the rear at 110kmh in 6th when powering on and off. Sounds like the rear diff to me. Quiet under all other circumstances.

The dealer said..."well we can't test that around here obviously" with a shrug of the shoulders. They haven't heard the last of it because next time they are going for a long drive on the M2, M5, M4, M7, F3 and home again. I feel like a drive :twisted:

I'd have to say that I don't like dealing with silk tied and ill fitting cheap suited concierge types at the front desk...I'd rather talk to the bloke in greasy overalls.

[dullbird]

is it a mild rattle that can be induced from very gentle throttling on and off???

If so ours did this last time it came out of the garage from the diff over haul and gearbox..

I have learnt to ignore it now..but its quite noticeable on and off throttle with the heavy camper behind. Ian was so angry when he heard it as we had only had the car back 2 days. I hadn't said anything to him as I noticed it from picking the car up from the garage on the long journey home. I was thankful he picked it up though as I thought it was just me being picky

I just cringe when ever I hear rattles now, because i wonder what the garage must be thinking!! as every time the car goes there it has something else I have found.

I have a clunk under the car also :( pulling away in first mainly but sometimes hear it on a gear change or going around a corner...sounds a bit like the exhaust knocking or a bush knocking:(

[one_iota]

That sounds like the one.

Maybe I should accept it as a natural characteristic???

After all when it breaks after warranty I can get a proper diff put in.:D

[dullbird]

yes when ours comes out of warranty we will save to put LSD's in :)

[patclan]

This maybe unrelated but I have noticed a noise lately, I hear it when I decelerate and slip into neutral approaching lights, it is a clunk knocking noise and it is speed related, it gets less frequent as I approach a stop, I have heard it in gear also doing the same thing, it has only happened half a dozen times, but it is quite loud so I am now getting concerned as it did it twice yesterday.

I have to back in to the LR to get a few things fixed from the last service (20k) getting a new aircon switch thingy to stop the aircon freezing up, and a new Clutch pedal as the current one squeals like hell, I complained and they cant lube it any more so are going to replace it. And a new clock as the light has gone out on it. Asked them to fix my wipers as they jump but they could not replicate the problem, next time I will stand there with a hose so they can see it..


Any ideas about my noise?

[Scallops]

This maybe unrelated but I have noticed a noise lately, I hear it when I decelerate and slip into neutral approaching lights, it is a clunk knocking noise and it is speed related, it gets less frequent as I approach a stop, I have heard it in gear also doing the same thing, it has only happened half a dozen times, but it is quite loud so I am now getting concerned as it did it twice yesterday.

I have to back in to the LR to get a few things fixed from the last service (20k) getting a new aircon switch thingy to stop the aircon freezing up, and a new Clutch pedal as the current one squeals like hell, I complained and they cant lube it any more so are going to replace it. And a new clock as the light has gone out on it. Asked them to fix my wipers as they jump but they could not replicate the problem, next time I will stand there with a hose so they can see it..


Any ideas about my noise?

Yes, this is a different problem - This noise you are hearing is the hand brake sticking, I believe. And my clutch pedal did the same thing - they lubed it - it squeaked a day later - they lubed it - squeaked again later. Eventually, they replaced the entire pedal and it fixed this annoying problem.

[patclan]

Yes, this is a different problem - This noise you are hearing is the hand brake sticking, I believe. And my clutch pedal did the same thing - they lubed it - it squeaked a day later - they lubed it - squeaked again later. Eventually, they replaced the entire pedal and it fixed this annoying problem.


Thanks Scallops, that may make sense, the handbrake was adjusted when it was in for its service, its gone from the 5 clicks back to about 2.5 now. So hopefully it will fix itself or I will get them to look at it when it goes back in.

I felt a bit lame complaining about a squeaky clutch after all it is a Defender.. But it is a 50k defender so think we have the right to complain about somethings, glad I am not the only one though..

Cheers
Patrick

[n plus one]

I have this problem:o......I can re create it if I pull away in first slowly and dip the clutch and pull away again and dip and so on and so forth.

its sounds a bit like the exhaust knocking or a bush knocking to me it's very annoying.

I had a very similar sound in my disco and it ended up being bushes

Mine went in for a couple of (relatively) minor warranty issues the other day - the clunk relates to the rear diff specifically TB - LD205-002 Audible Click From Rear on Drive Away.

I'll try and get a coupy when she goes back in to get it fixed - unless someone already has access to it?

[juddy]

I have mine in for a strange noise that starts to appear, after about 10/15mins of driving when things have warmed up, when slowing down to say a junction, i can get a louder than normal clunking noise, some times longer some times not, does not make any difference if iam in gear or not, just happens when something in theres begins to slow down and stop, upon the vehicle stopping its self, LRD have looked at it twice, i have also taken the head mechanic out, and he too as heard the noise, but they cant find anything wrong with it, i find it strange as i have never had a new car make such a noise, and i cant take " its a defender so its probably normal " the older 300 tdi never had the noise.

Stranger still, the 110 DC, i had for the day, with 5k on the clock, also made the same noise, but not as intense as mine, and the sales chap who drives it as had it in the shop, but they also found no issues....

[dullbird]

Juddy it will be handbrake drag...I can assure you has happened to me 3 times now...

In exactly the same manor as you describe

[patclan]

I have mine in for a strange noise that starts to appear, after about 10/15mins of driving when things have warmed up, when slowing down to say a junction, i can get a louder than normal clunking noise, some times longer some times not, does not make any difference if iam in gear or not, just happens when something in theres begins to slow down and stop, upon the vehicle stopping its self, LRD have looked at it twice, i have also taken the head mechanic out, and he too as heard the noise, but they cant find anything wrong with it, i find it strange as i have never had a new car make such a noise, and i cant take " its a defender so its probably normal " the older 300 tdi never had the noise.

Stranger still, the 110 DC, i had for the day, with 5k on the clock, also made the same noise, but not as intense as mine, and the sales chap who drives it as had it in the shop, but they also found no issues....

This is the same sound that I have, I told LR when they last had it and told them I suspected it was the handbrake they came back and said it needed a new rear diff, I still think it is the handbrake as it is the same issue dullbird and everyone describes, and sometimes it feels like I am driving with the handbreak on, fells like there is some drag.

I guess I wont know for sure until they have replaced the diff (which they cant get).

Patrick

[juddy]

Juddy it will be handbrake drag...I can assure you has happened to me 3 times now...

In exactly the same manor as you describe

Cheers for that, can you expand on the term handbrake drag?? for a numpty like me...

[4wheeler]

Interesting to read the posts on the handbrake drag issue. I don't have the problem but after reading the posts thought I might try to hear what the noise might be like by trying to "duplicate the fault" by applying the handbrake very very lightly at low speed. The resulting noise sounded as though the whole lot was about to self destruct, and that every part of the drive train was about to be flung out the side of the vehicle. I did this a month ago. I haven't damaged anything but would advise not to try to duplicate the problem like I tried to do. If it is handbrake drag it must be something very strange going on if it is not causing the resulting turmoil I instigated by the light application of the handbrake.


As they say "don't try this at home"!

[dullbird]

it is I believe like effectively having the handbrake on....

when the handbrakes get hot on the pumas it all expands then I think the shoes make contact with the drum but not enough to actually stop the car....

I think this is what happens although it has never actually been explained to me.