02 Fender Wheel Offsets Problems

[land864]

I know nothing of postive and negative offsets etc so I'll keep it simple.
If using Disco 1 steel rims and thinking about increasing that is , making the track width wider for better stability?
Then , a standard D1 Steel rim measures 50mm from the outside of the rim to the steel centre.
If you made this distance 100mm ( that is a 50mm increase ) are there any side effects, ie; hard to balance them up , insurance and compliance issues , rubbing or catching ( will only ever run 235 85 R16 tyres not 255's) or any other issues.

Pete

[rijidij]

Pete,
The shape of the D1 wheel restricts how far you can move the centre in (without 'flipping' the rim 180*). If you look on the inside of a D1 wheel, you will see that if you move the centre back more than about 30mm (after cutting 10mm off the back of the centre) you will run out of anything to weld to.
25 - 30mm is what we move the centre of a D1 wheel to run 255's on a County/Defender. You should be able to run 235's on the standard D1 rims.
A lot of guys flip the centres of D1 rims to fit big rubber to Rangies, but I don't know what off set this gives.

Cheers, Murray

[kaa45]

Will D1 wheels fit an 02 fender?
When did the wheels change?

[samuelclarke]

Will D1 wheels fit an 02 fender?
When did the wheels change?

D1 steel wheels will fit any Defender up to the current model.

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Pete,
The shape of the D1 wheel restricts how far you can move the centre in (without 'flipping' the rim 180*). If you look on the inside of a D1 wheel, you will see that if you move the centre back more than about 30mm (after cutting 10mm off the back of the centre) you will run out of anything to weld to.
25 - 30mm is what we move the centre of a D1 wheel to run 255's on a County/Defender. You should be able to run 235's on the standard D1 rims.
A lot of guys flip the centres of D1 rims to fit big rubber to Rangies, but I don't know what off set this gives.

Cheers, Murray

Are you serious? I can only assume this is for competition vehicles. No one with half a brain would cut the centre out of a rim, re-weld it back and use it on the highway. Same goes for flipping the rims round.

D1 steel rims will fit on all defenders.


Save a few lives and buy a set off offset rims.

Jon

[land864]

Jon

It is done regularly and legitimately here in Victoria by a wheel enginering company called Eastern wheel works.

They do flip the rims so the safety bead is on the outside .

Not sure why you are of the opinion that it is such a crazy idea and lives are at risk.

A standard reworked offset is 35mm ( I think ) ending up with a wider track of 70mm to make the car more stable with wider stance if you like, in fact making it safer

[slug_burner]

Are you serious? I can only assume this is for competition vehicles. No one with half a brain would cut the centre out of a rim, re-weld it back and use it on the highway. Same goes for flipping the rims round.

D1 steel rims will fit on all defenders.


Save a few lives and buy a set off offset rims.

Jon

Yes we are serious. They do weld to put the center in the wheel in the first place.

D1 wheels fit the the defender wheel stud pattern. However the reason why people go for the D1 wheel is so they can put a wider tyre on. The earlier Defenders have a wider setting on the rear springs which causes a rub point when using bigger tyres when the vehicle is at maximum articulation. I am not sure but I think that once they started pimping the defenders with the disco mags they moved the springs in a bit.

[rijidij]

Are you serious? I can only assume this is for competition vehicles. No one with half a brain would cut the centre out of a rim, re-weld it back and use it on the highway. Same goes for flipping the rims round.

D1 steel rims will fit on all defenders.


Save a few lives and buy a set off offset rims.

Jon

When Eastern Wheel Works, or Ajax do the mods, the centres are fully welded in, unlike the few short welds that they have from the factory, so they are actually stronger after you get them modified.
This is a VERY common mod for fitting the D1 wheels to Countys/Defenders and I've never heard of any problems with the mod.

If it's done properly, what's the problem with modifying wheels, afterall, we cut/modify/weld just about every other part of our vehicles.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure all of my brain is still in my head. :D

[land864]

So Murray.

Enlighten me please.

1. If I still want to run 235 85's but in a mud pattern , on a spare set of rims , is there [I]any [I] advantage at all in having a bigger offset or as I said above a 70-100mm wider track? More stable an less likely to roll over?
2. If comparing 130 rims ( that look like Wolf rims but are tubed ) or true Wolf (tubeless) rims , do these 2 have different offsets.

Pete

[rijidij]

So Murray.

Enlighten me please.

1. If I still want to run 235 85's but in a mud pattern , on a spare set of rims , is there [I]any [I] advantage at all in having a bigger offset or as I said above a 70-100mm wider track? More stable an less likely to roll over?
2. If comparing 130 rims ( that look like Wolf rims but are tubed ) or true Wolf (tubeless) rims , do these 2 have different offsets.

Pete

I guess there would be some advantage to stability of a wider track, but probably not hugely noticable, unless you're right on the brink of rolling over :D I think the usual reason for offset rims is clearance of bigger than standard tyres, rather than increasing the track width.
I'm not familiar with the offsets of the wolfs.

Murray

[land864]

Thanks M

The difficulty is sourcing a set of Wolf ( tubeless ) rims at a good price.

[Kelly928]

Hey Pete,

70 - 100mm (i.e. 35 - 50mm per side) more track width on a fender is quite a lot. More than 30mm will put 235/85/16 tyres outside the original flares.

Mine are 30mm more width and are just inside the flares.

See here: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/68003-help-choosing-defender-rims-2.html

The other consideration would be mounting of the spare on rear door. On the standard mounting bracket my rim just clears the brake light when rear door is fully open. Also the weight of the wheel is shifted further out from the door.

But you did get the bearmach carrier which may overcome these potential issues.

BTW the backspace on standard d1 rims are 135mm.

Welcome to have a look at mine if need.

Kelly

[land864]

Thanks Kel.

I'm thinking for all the $ and effort and seeing as I'll have a spare set of Tubed , 130 Wolf style rims , I might just fit up the BFG Mud terrains with tubes on these spare rims , as trip tyres and run around on the General Grubbers for most of the time.

Still unsure as to the benfits of changing offset etc, if running around on Boost alloys most of the time and only ever intending to fit 235 85 R16 tyres to the spare rims.

My County seems to have a better turning circle with the 130 rims fitted and maybe the steering stops have been adjusted. Then again maybe it's just my imagination:o