Madman EMS2 fit

[County3.9]

Anyone know if the Madman EMS2 fits into the existing defender dash?
(ie Take out one of the existing gauges and fit the EMS2 with the square flange to the rear so it looks like the other round gauges)

[scott oz]

Someone did it on the forum and I think the dash required a minor adjustment. The supplier should be able to tell you

[roverrescue]

Yeah it will fit into the defender dash,
you will need to do a little bit of dremel work on the rear of dash panel to grind down the mounting ring and then drill 4 holes for the socket head screws, works well, looks neat.
Who uses the clock anyways!
I have EMS2 in left hole and then a pair of fuel gauges in the other two holes one for each tank.

Steve

[Naks]

Anyone know if the Madman EMS2 fits into the existing defender dash?
(ie Take out one of the existing gauges and fit the EMS2 with the square flange to the rear so it looks like the other round gauges)

If you have a Puma, it will fit nicely on the angled dashboard on the driver's side, see pics of mine:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/714.jpg

[County3.9]

Got any pics Steve?

Yeah it will fit into the defender dash,
you will need to do a little bit of dremel work on the rear of dash panel to grind down the mounting ring and then drill 4 holes for the socket head screws, works well, looks neat.
Who uses the clock anyways!
I have EMS2 in left hole and then a pair of fuel gauges in the other two holes one for each tank.

Steve

[Naks]

You can also put in in the dash if its a TD5:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/684.jpg

[roverrescue]

Thar you go County 3.9!!!
My dash looks pretty similar but have the EMS in the left position, then two fuel gauges in middle and right...

S

[def9087]

Where;s the best place to get them? through the website?
how hard was it fitting the sensors?
i've been thinking about this one for a while now. does it do the standard engine temp as well as exhaust?

[Naks]

Yep, order it through the website, but make sure you have all the relevant probes for your engine & transfer box - the probes for 300Tdi, Td5 and Puma are different.

The unit can only do one oil temperature - so either you monitor the engine or the transfer box. In my case I chose the transfer box, since I am already monitoring EGT, Coolant Temp & Level and Oil Pressure.

I had the whole system fitted by a landy mechanic - took them a couple of hours. Any mechanic should be able to fit this unit, but a landy mechanic will know the optimum spots to fit the probes, wiring, etc.

[Bauke]

what sort of money do you pay for a ems 2 for a td5

[slug_burner]

what sort of money do you pay for a ems 2 for a td5

link to madman site (http://landyonline.co.za/shop/product_info.php/cPath/23/products_id/62?osCsid=72a65f84ddc38600a7c4f038c8a10b5e)

1,657.77 ZAR = 240.633 AUD @ todays exchange rate of 1 AUD = 6.88992 ZAR

[cewilson]

Nata Enterprises stock and sell them here in Australia. They don't have the full kit on their website at the moment for some reason, but by the time you add the kit, EMS2 and the extended harness you are pretty much at $500 already.

However they are brilliant. I am in the process of fitting one at the moment, and I'd quite happily recommend one.

Nata Enterprises (http://www.nata.net.au/shop/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=9862822962ff3c6bd9ed429f417c25d3)


Cheers
Chris

[ob1]

Yeah it will fit into the defender dash,
you will need to do a little bit of dremel work on the rear of dash panel to grind down the mounting ring and then drill 4 holes for the socket head screws, works well, looks neat.
Who uses the clock anyways!
I have EMS2 in left hole and then a pair of fuel gauges in the other two holes one for each tank.

Steve

I put mine with the square bit in front of the dash. I will post a pic later. Looks neat either way. I had an empty slot on my dash, moved the existing temp gauge there, and the MadmanII in its place


Where;s the best place to get them? through the website?
how hard was it fitting the sensors?
i've been thinking about this one for a while now. does it do the standard engine temp as well as exhaust?

On the 300 Tdi it is easy.
EGT goes into the blanking plate where the EGR is/was
Water temp goes in the top bleeding hole at the thermostat housing, comes with an adapter
Coolant level sensor is two self tapping screws in to the expansion tank (plastic one, metal one need a flotation switch). Current goes from the one screw to the other, if water drop below it makes an audiable alarm. This alone makes it worth your while
Oil pressure comes on top of the oil filter. Tpiece (supplied) where the old pressure switch was, you then put the new pressure sender and oil pressure switch into the T. Mind you just drain the oil before you do, that stuff tastes bad. And grow an extra joint in your wrist to get your hand in there
Transfer oil temp into the TC case top opening. A bit of a waste IMO, it tells you your TC is hot. I can do without that info, I would rather go for motor oil temp. Putting it in the sump drain hole is possible, but it would be very exposed to whatever bit of obstacle yo tackle. Wonder if a hole can be tapped elswhere in the sump...
Monitor in the dash, harness trough the firewall. Some cable sleeves and Bob is your aunt

The kits for sale if I recall does not supply the EGT probe, you have to get that additional. Mine cost R3200 2 years ago. Saved my bacon once already:eek:

[Naks]

On the 300 Tdi it is easy.

YouTube clips showing exactly how to do it:

YouTube - EMS Installation Part 1 - Engine Monitoring System

YouTube - EMS Installation Part 2 - Fitting EGT & Water Level Sensors


As OB1 says, it will save your bacon someday, although I don't agree with him about the transfer box. You already monitor the engine oil pressure and coolant temp, why the temp as well?

If you are doing sand driving and/or towing, you would want to know if the transfer box is getting hot so you can give it a rest?

[ob1]

Attached my installation

Also remember to earth it properly. It does some strange stuff if it is not earthed on a clean place on the engine block. I got my power feed off the ignition circuit, the monitor switch on when I put the key in the ON position

Naks I recon it is good to know when the lube is on temp on a cold morning. That is about the only reason. Since I dont do sand driving often enough I would rather have engine oil temp

[cewilson]

If you are doing sand driving and/or towing, you would want to know if the transfer box is getting hot so you can give it a rest?



It's not just off-road. Highway driving on a hot day (long periods) will see temps rise more than you'd expect. I've replaced the gears once - don't want to do it twice :(

[ob1]

What is then the safe high temp limit for the TC? I never went over 100degC even on a 38degC ambient temp after 5hours straight highway driving. Mind you I seldom have a heavy load, or push byond 110km/h

Landyonline also sell a sump extention with cooling fins for the LT230. If I was doing lots of sand I would go for this. Have more oil capacity, and some cooling fins...

[Declan]

Hi Lads
I have Madman EMS2 and have been fitting today can any body tell me were the boost sensor for the turbo goes as i went for that instead of oil temperature sensor and i cannot see any were to install it.

Thanks Declan:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[slug_burner]

Hi Lads
I have Madman EMS2 and have been fitting today can any body tell me were the boost sensor for the turbo goes as i went for that instead of oil temperature sensor and i cannot see any were to install it.

Thanks Declan:twisted::twisted::twisted:

you will have to tap the inlet plenum. On mechanical gauges you just use a Tee piece on the waste gate feed. On a Td5 it might be different as I think they use a modulated vacuum to operate the waste gate

[Declan]

A tee piece came with the EMS 2 so I have that, where abouts is the waste gate feed on the Defender TD5 turbo.

Thanks Declan:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[Declan]

Hi lads
got a brass tee piece with the EMS2 does any body know is this for the boost sensor or to put the original oil sensor back in with the new oil sensor as to not have the oil light on all the time on the dash.

Thanks Declan:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[slug_burner]

I'd say it is for the oil sensor. Check the threads. Also look on Youtube there is a series of vids showing how to fit the EMS to a 300 tdi defender it might help you.

[Declan]

Thanks slug_burner for all your feedback, I have put the tee on the VDO oil sender and the existing oil pressure switch existing oil pressure switch works but VDO no go think i might have faulty VDO rest of the EMS 2 works brillant.
still have to find out were to fit trubo pressure switch.

Thanks Declan:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[VladTepes]

So how do these work? Do you have to keep scrolling through to keep an eye on things or can you program set max and min and it alarms if outside that range ?

I'm interested but it is a LOT of money and convincing the missus is.... difficult.

[Declan]

Alarms are set up when you get them from hte factory ,you can change the alarm to what every you want to and you can scroll thru them manual or set it up to scroll auto.
it does not matter which one you stay on if a alarm arises the EMS 2 goes straight to what the problem is.

Regards Declan:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[VladTepes]

I must be dumb - when you order it do you just specify what engine and it comes with all the sensors ? Someone mentioned a "kit" but I can;t see it on any of those websites ?

How do the costs cmpare importing versus buying locally ?

[cewilson]

I'm not sure what's happening with the website at the moment. When I ordered mine there was a kit like the one shown for the Toyota - brought that, the unit itself and the extended harness.

Might be worth e-mailing them and asking them politely to get their **** together :)


Cheers
Chris

[VladTepes]

which particular website are you referring to mate ?

[zuno555]

Les Richmond Auto stock the kits - pricey but, they increased their prices a few months ago. They are the complete kit, bolt in, very very easy to do. Kits suit either 300 or td5.

Can not direct link LRA's pages, old school website in frames or something - just go Vehicle Accessories, Choose a car, Low Level Coolant Sensor or something, will link to Madmans products and pricing.

Les Richmond Automotive (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/index1.html)

South African Madman site - you have to buy the head unit and engine kit separately, plus postage over to here

Home Page (http://www.madman.co.za/)

Also Nata enterprises (http://www.nata.net.au/) but they didn't seem to stock bolt in kits for 300/td5, just the EMS head units.

They are pricey bits of kit, but they monitor numerous important things, easily and simply with one small head unit. If you bought all individual it would probably cost more and you would have 5 or more gauges/displays to place all over the dash.

I have mine set to automatically scroll through sensors every 3 seconds.

As said alarms can be set to what ever level you want for each sensor (low alarm and high alarm), or can turn off alarm (low or high), very easy to set up. Once set up (5min job) you basically never touch it again, just scrolls through

Also the green back lighting is unoffensive at night time, and the display is still perfectly readable in full sunlight direct on unit.

[cewilson]

which particular website are you referring to mate ?

Nata Enterprises was where I got mine from

[def9087]

Ok last question,
I'm still not sure which kit to go for.
the engine temp gauge that is in the dash, what exactly does that measure? engine oil?block temp?
so does the lead from the original temp then plug into the EMS2 and what is the menu option measuring.
is it necessary to buy the extended harness? or is it originally with a loom to sensors which is too short?
thanks for your help

[slug_burner]

I would expect that the current temp gauge has a sender somewhere in contact with the coolant.

As for the extended harness or not I think that the people on the Madman site should be able to answer that question for you.

[Naks]

Madman does sell a long harness, I suggest you take it - easier to route things in the engine bay.

[def9087]

I have just bought the EMS2,
however not exactly sure where to put coolant temp VDO on my defender TD5. if you have installed on a TD5 could you post photos of where u put it? i know there is an inline sender that i could buy to put onto a radiator hose,however i thought it wasn't suitable for defenders as they have the plastic header tank and again unsure where the best place to put if it is suitable.

also is the oil temp vdo the same as transfer temp vdo? just placed differently?

from what i understand the existing coolant thermostat cant be wired into the EMS2 so have to put another one in.

thanks

[Drover]

Hey def9087,

Where did you get your madman from ?

How did you find the company to deal with ?

What sort of dollars ?

Cheers

[mools]

Def9087, on a Td5 the coolant temp sender should be installed in a special adaptor plate which bolts in between the engine and the top hose - I'll try and post a picture of mine (not installed yet). You should have been supplied one of these if you bought it as a kit.

I got my kit from NATA enterprises (the entertainer on this forum) he may be able to supply the adaptor if you don't have one. I haven't fitted mine yet (waiting until I have to change the coolant) but I think you will probably need longer bolts to go to the head because the original bolts will not be long enough to accommodate the adaptor and the top hose connector.

And yes transfer temp sender is the same as oil temp sender (is the same as coolant temp sender) - they're the same VDO temp sender just installed in different locations. I think on the EMS2 you can only monitor 2 temps though.

Drover, from experience I'd recommend dealing with NATA enterprises. The service was excellent and very prompt (I think it turned up within a week). He answered all my questions in person by phone before I bought the kit, he knew what he was talking about and supplied me with everything I needed (apart from the longer bolts). For dollars just google NATA enterprises and check out his web site. As has been said before they are not cheap but I think the price is reasonable. It's a neat solution to placing lots of gauges (somewhere?) in a Defender.

Ian.

[mools]

37295

Adaptor plate for coolant temp sender and longer bolts.

Bottom right is the tapped plug for the transfere case.

Ian.

[def9087]

Hi,
I bought it through Nata Enterprise in NSW . i Ummed and aared for ages but thought in the end if i had any dramas shipping back to SA might be difficult.
Jan was very helpful and sent it out super quick. just got to work out where exactly to put the coolant temp vdo . i think it may have been similar price to ordering from SA as the unit is slightly more exe, but shipping is less. i think head unit was $270, and i ordered individual probes as i'm not fussed by oil pressure.

[def9087]

Hi Ian,
so is that the inline type connector for the coolant temp? placed in between 2 bits of hose?
where abouts in the engine bay /cooling system did u put it?
i would really appreciate a photo to explain.
i had heard that if u put it close to the expansion tank its not as accurate in temp as closer to the block, but unsure of where that may be?
and did u just drill and tap into the transfer case or is there a blanking plate/bolt u can replace it with?

thanks

[def9087]

Hi Ian,
dis re-guard that last post - i forgot to scroll up and hadnt read your post.
yes a picture of where u put it would be great.
and if u r doing the TC temp can u let mw know where u 'd put that on the case?

what thread is on those bolts? and is it allen key type head?

thanks again
Jake

[mools]

Jake,

Can't send you a photo of it installed as I haven't done it yet - waiting till I need to change the coolant as I don't want to go through the drama of bleeding it unnecessarily.

The adaptor plate goes on to the side of the engine block where the top hose connects - have a look and you'll see there is already a triangular hose connection (containing the OEM temp sender) bolted to the block already. The adaptor plate bolts between this and the block. That's why you'll need the longer bolts. I made a couple of gaskets to go either side of the adaptor as well because the machining on one side of the plate doesn't look too great.

The bolts are just hex head bolts - what thread I don't know - I just asked some fella who knows his stuff for three longer bolts for that purpose.

The tapped transfer sender plug will (should) go in the transfer box drain plug hole but I'm not sure I have the right one as it looks a little small. Not overly bothered with the transfer case reading though as I don't tow.

Coolant temp and transfer temp are on my to do list, fitting up the coolant level alarm is on the MUST do list and EGT and oil pressure are on the done list.

Glad I did the EGT because before I reckon I was flogging the vehicle a bit hard.

Ian.

[def9087]

Hi Ian,
on closer look at the Rave Cd and on the actual TC case i found there is a blank bolt designed for a temp sender. it is 14mm .
though i wonder how effective this is for oil temp as it is higher than the fill plug, or is the air temp in the case enough to go off?
i will have a look at the drain plug and c if it fits there instead.

i am planning on doing a coolant change/fit sender and whilst there clean radiator/intercooler, take off manifold and place probe in the centre pipe, EGR removal/blanking , wire in the EMS2 , fit to dash and have been thinking about trying to turn the EGR heat transfer into a water heater.. has anyone done this or give me tips on how?
or maybe i should just remove it altogether and re route the hose back to the radiator..

if anyone has any thougthts on this matter i'd like to hear them
thanks
Jake

[def9087]

well,
I bought it and after a bit of mucking round got it installed fit in well with the few jobs i had to do on the Defender. remove EGR, cleaning radiator and intercooler.
fits perfect in the dash. \
the coolant temp adaptor has changed from the madman website - no longer the sandwich type, so had to cut into the pipe. still need to add an earth to it as i'm getting some very odd temps - from -18 to +14.
Transfer case - i have put the vdo in a blank bolt quite high up but i'm not happy with the placement and accuracy , so next oil change will put into the filler plug (drain is too exposed)

but a few problems i need help with:
i already had a low level coolant alarm in, but thought it wouldnt hurt to hook the new one into it - it did . seemed to trigger the old one some how. so have diconnected it for the moment.
but now the new one continually warns me that coolant is low. i have it set up off the plastic tank. bottom screw is earthed and top goes to ems2. can anyone think of why its telling me coolant is low when the water is covering both screws? or do i need something else wired in too?

on my first test run(to drop the missus to the airport) the intercooler hose popped off, luckily Tod had told me a similar story (has an interesting sound)so managed to put it back in in the dark with the clock ticking. but i thought that it probably wouldnt have damaged the turbo driving with no pressure> ? does anyone know if this is correct?

but in all of it have learnt loads and a big thanks to Tod (rimmer) for getting me out of trouble a few times. and Jan at Nata has been on the email answering all my questions.

but i really am noticing the EGT temp rise with my style of driving and easing back off a bit.

i would like to know parameters to be aware of such as EGT average and high temp?
Coolant running temp and max temp?
Transfer case running and max temp?

will post pics when i work out how to attach them

[mools]

Check out this thread....

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/123114-mad-man.html

I had the same questions when I fitted mine. You should find some answers there.

Ian

[Ranga]

Anyone fitted the rectangular version, and have photos?

Both shapes have the same functionality don't they?

[SVX37]

I was doing a search on the MADMAN product and saw this old thread I thought I would add to.

Here is a pic below of the one I am thinking of adding to the PUMA.

NAKS (a forum user on AULRO - thanks NAKS) posted that Madman EMS system monitors EGT, coolant temp & level, oil pressure, transfer box oil temp, voltage. Everything has an alarm level which you can set and will go off as soon as the threshold is reached.

Since it is a couple of years later since the last post, I am thinking that there might be a few more people who have added this accessory.

My questions are:
1. How useful are you finding it?
2. Which business fitted this to your Deefer and were you happy?
2. The EGT data is what I am really wanting, along with coolant temp - do I need anything else measured not mentioned above?


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/04/874.jpg

[mools]

sVX37,

In answer to your questions:

1. Very useful, almost indispensable, makes treating the engine kindly become second nature.

2. I fitted it it was not too difficult a job on a TD5. I was very happy.

2. (Because you have two 2's) coolant level alarm could be an engine saver well worth fitting.

Ian.

[Naks]

As Ian says, indispensable.

When I drive to work in the morning, I set the display to coolant level. I drive like a granny until the water temp is 90-91C.

Once the engine is up to temperature, I switch to EGT, and then only do I give it horns. It is amazing how driving to the EGT changes the way you drive :)

[joel0407]

I'm needing help and suggestions how to fit the Auto Tranmission temp sensor. The addaptor provided by Land Online is too big for the sump and too small for the filler plug.

Help Please.

[Baytown]

Great old thread fellas.
Hopefully this unit is still the one to get, as I was about to purchase two 52mm Redarc EGT and Oil temp gauges, but mounting them in the limited dash area available is a problem.
Any comments re the two options, I.e Redarc vs Madman?
Ta.
Ken

[Ranga]

Perhaps the 1gauge is also worth checking out?

[Baytown]

Hi Ranga.
Yes, I am impressed with this multi function gauge. Especially that it will alarm for any parameter that's playing up in the back ground.
Does anyone know if it is 52mm in diameter, as per standard gauges?
It's price at $200 plus senders is great.
Ta.
Ken

[cripesamighty]

Definitely not 52mm for the Madman, more like somewhere between 55-60mm.

[Baytown]

Thanks Cripse. (I know that P51!)
I was interested in the diameter should it not fit in a standard instrument pod which seems the case. Ta.
I can see I need to sit inside my cabin and soak up the ambiance, to get creative with my fitting options.
Ken

[cripesamighty]

At the moment I have a temporary plate I bought with two 52mm holes cut in it to hold my new boost gauge and Madman on the dash of my D1. The Madman diameter was larger so I ground out the hole to get it to fit. In the next week or so, Dave (Blknight.aus) is fitting up the rest of the sensors on the Madman and changing my rubber coolant hoses to silicon ones. I ended up buying a Mudpod (see below) to instal those two gauges, plus the VDO temp gauge when the Madman sensors are completed. I went looking around for other diameter binnacles/pods but with two different diameters for the gauges, this seemed like a good option.

Mud large universal pod (http://lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/p37990.html)

[def9087]

I fitted mine in 2011 and it's great . I mostly drive to EGT and since putting it on really back off on hills. I had warped the exhaust manifold when I first bought my td5 defender because I was still pushing it hard up hills. Now I really drive slowly or lower gears on all hills. I also have the oil temp on the transfer case . Thought about putting a second switch in so I could flick between engine oil and transfer. It is definately worth the money
For the coolant alarm alone. The size is almost perfect for td5 instrument cluster I dremilled out the old engine temp and put it there .