Would you Bother changing Tyres/Rims on new 130 ?

[pc3]

I quite like the rims and tyres that come as standard on the 2009 130 crew cab XLZ's and Wolf Rims...........a couple of mates are telling me how much better it will perform and look with black sunraysias and fatter tyres. I am thinking that the tyres and rims as standard will be very good off road (from what I have read here) give me better fuel economy due to less footprint on the road etc.

And while the Fat tyres and sunny's may look awsome I dont think the wolfs and Michellins look that bad at any rate !!

I reckon the money would be better put into other extras over the tyres what is the expert opinion from Defender owners that have more experience than me.........as i have none

[Scallops]

I quite like the rims and tyres that come as standard on the 2009 130 crew cab XLZ's and Wolf Rims...........a couple of mates are telling me how much better it will perform and look with black sunraysias and fatter tyres. I am thinking that the tyres and rims as standard will be very good off road (from what I have read here) give me better fuel economy due to less footprint on the road etc.

And while the Fat tyres and sunny's may look awsome I dont think the wolfs and Michellins look that bad at any rate !!

I reckon the money would be better put into other extras over the tyres what is the expert opinion from Defender owners that have more experience than me.........as i have none

Same mates that reckon you're better off with a Hilux? I'd stick with the wheels/tyres that it comes with - I only bought a set of black Dynamics and MTZ's because 110's come with hairdresser's alloy wheels. ;)

PS - they aren't wolf rims.

[pc3]

Same mates that reckon you're better off with a Hilux? I'd stick with the wheels/tyres that it comes with - I only bought a set of black Dynamics and MTZ's because 110's come with hairdresser's alloy wheels. ;)

PS - they aren't wolf rims.

Yeh it was the same mates saying I was moron for buying a defender over a Hilux :D

[Scallops]

As you have discovered by doing some research here, the stock rims and tyres that come on the 130 are very good. I would at least get some experience with these as they come first - they will most likely be all you will ever need. You can get different rims (such as Wolfs) etc down the track if you still feel the need.

As for fatter tyres - there won't be any functional advantages over the standard rubber. In fact, it could be argued that larger (and heavier) tyres can only be detrimental to wear and tear on your vehicle.

The stock rims are steel - that is what I wanted on mine - and are matched to great offroad and onroad tyres that will give good mileage and economy.

I reckon you should wait for your truck to arrive, use it as is, then look to alter stuff further down the track.

[bcj]

Took me a while to get xzl's- best tyre I 've had for what I need- only advantage I can see for wider would be for alot of beach or desert driving-
I'd be interested if your getting rid of yours-I do have a set of white 15" sunny's lying around with new 31x10" wrangler a/t's.
Stick with the xzl's (or send them my way),they are a bit noisy (& expensive) but look at them-they are made for Defenders-no other tyre is
Brett
110 300tdi

[pc3]

As you have discovered by doing some research here, the stock rims and tyres that come on the 130 are very good. I would at least get some experience with these as they come first - they will most likely be all you will ever need. You can get different rims (such as Wolfs) etc down the track if you still feel the need.

As for fatter tyres - there won't be any functional advantages over the standard rubber. In fact, it could be argued that larger (and heavier) tyres can only be detrimental to wear and tear on your vehicle.

The stock rims are steel - that is what I wanted on mine - and are matched to great offroad and onroad tyres that will give good mileage and economy.

I reckon you should wait for your truck to arrive, use it as is, then look to alter stuff further down the track.

Scallops, thats exactly what I am thinking............are the rims I have as standard on my truck these WOLF rims or not..................if its not what does a wolf rim look like ?


cheers pc3

[land864]

My understanding is that;

They both look similar with the holes around the outside and are made from thicker steel.

I was told that Tubed rims are 130 Rims and the

Tubeless rims are a true Wolf Rim

[pc3]

My understanding is that;

They both look similar with the holes around the outside and are made from thicker steel.

I was told that Tubed rims are 130 Rims and the

Tubeless rims are a true Wolf Rim

I wonder what my 130 dual cab will have on it Wolfs or Non Wolfs :)

[Scallops]

I wonder what my 130 dual cab will have on it Wolfs or Non Wolfs :)

As I mentioned in post 1 - the standard 130 rims are not Wolf rims, so you won't be getting them - and, as the other chap has said above, the Wolfs are higher rated (stronger) and are designed for tubeless tyres.

Defender 130" 16 x 6,5" (Wolf) rims
Recommended when bigger tyres are mounted, no need for spacers...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/wolfvn.jpg/)

[spudboy]

Yeah, another vote to stick with the XZLs. They are not the best on wet tarmac (you just have to back off a fraction) but they are a really good tyre for a defender.

Do a search on Google for XZL and Expedition and you will find a lot of articles about how much overlanders love them.

I've run them on my 110, and they are def a bit noisier than the General Grabbers that come standard on a 110, but not too bad.

[pc3]

As I mentioned in post 1 - the standard 130 rims are not Wolf rims, so you won't be getting them - and, as the other chap has said above, the Wolfs are higher rated (stronger) and are designed for tubeless tyres.

Defender 130" 16 x 6,5" (Wolf) rims
Recommended when bigger tyres are mounted, no need for spacers...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/wolfvn.jpg/)

Apologies missed that yo usaid they were not wolfs............

[Scallops]

Apologies missed that yo usaid they were not wolfs............

No problemo buddy - I can tell you're excited! :D We are too - hell, which route are they taking to Melbourne? :angel:

[pc3]

No problemo buddy - I can tell you're excited! :D We are too - hell, which route are they taking to Melbourne? :angel:

It's with toll and will be in Ballarat on Monday the tray maker will have tray done by following weekend. Then when my bar arrives from arb straight there I think your right I'm not going to worry about wheels at this stage. Infact that's what appealed to me about the defender "ready out of the box" not like Jap crap

[rick130]

As I mentioned in post 1 - the standard 130 rims are not Wolf rims, so you won't be getting them - and, as the other chap has said above, the Wolfs are higher rated (stronger) and are designed for tubeless tyres.

Defender 130" 16 x 6,5" (Wolf) rims
Recommended when bigger tyres are mounted, no need for spacers...

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9323/wolfvn.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/wolfvn.jpg/)

:confused::confused:

The HD rim is a HD rim, regardless of what you call it, available in either tubed or tubeless.
I have both and they are identical in construction ???

[Scallops]

I'm happy to be wrong here - after all, I learn my stuff from this website! :D My understanding is that there are differences between what is the standard steel rim that comes on a 130 and what is referred to as a Wolf rim - and these differences are....

130 rims as standard are designed for Tubes

Wolf rims, Stronger and rated at "JJ" - means it's a safety rim, and hence can be run tubless.

Of course, I imagine it is possible to run a Wolf (or HD rim) with a tube - but the standard 130 rim cannot be used tubeless. That is the difference between what pc3 will receive on his new 130 and a Wolf or HD rim - whatever you call it, and that was the point I was making.

[roverrescue]

"Of course, I imagine it is possible to run a Wolf (or HD rim) with a tube - but the standard 130 rim cannot be used tubeless." or is that should not???

Now that is the question eh Rick :)

Steve

[Scallops]

"Of course, I imagine it is possible to run a Wolf (or HD rim) with a tube - but the standard 130 rim cannot be used tubeless." or is that should not???

Now that is the question eh Rick :)

Steve

cannot - should not - the point is, there is a difference between the rims pc3 will get and what he is calling Wolfs - and the difference, as I understand it, is what I have stated.

[JamesH]

cannot - should not - the point is, there is a difference between the rims pc3 will get and what he is calling Wolfs - and the difference, as I understand it, is what I have stated.

There may be insurance issues to consider if you're not running tubes and you should be?

[Scallops]

There may be insurance issues to consider if you're not running tubes and you should be?

Good point - another reason to say "cannot".

[land864]

The experts ( an expert is a drip under pressure;)) tell me that a tubeless ( or Wolf , or Diiscovery 1 etc ) rim has a safety bead to hold the tyre on when flat or at least prevent it from coming right off. A tubeless does not.
A mate of mine is lamenting the fact that it is difficult to get reasonably priced tubes for 235/85 R16's.

[MinniTheMoocha]

The experts ( an expert is a drip under pressure;)) tell me that a tubeless ( or Wolf , or Diiscovery 1 etc ) rim has a safety bead to hold the tyre on when flat or at least prevent it from coming right off. A tubeless does not.
A mate of mine is lamenting the fact that it is difficult to get reasonably priced tubes for 235/85 R16's.

It cost me about $120 to get three new tubes and have them fitted. The tubes were approx. $30 each. So yes not cheap.

[juddy]

I quite like the rims and tyres that come as standard on the 2009 130 crew cab XLZ's and Wolf Rims...........a couple of mates are telling me how much better it will perform and look with black sunraysias and fatter tyres. I am thinking that the tyres and rims as standard will be very good off road (from what I have read here) give me better fuel economy due to less footprint on the road etc.

And while the Fat tyres and sunny's may look awsome I dont think the wolfs and Michellins look that bad at any rate !!

I reckon the money would be better put into other extras over the tyres what is the expert opinion from Defender owners that have more experience than me.........as i have none

Sunraysias look awful, they look like the cheap rims you get from a motor shop. The Wolf rims look are better, and are designed for the 130. Dont fat tyres affect the all set up of the Defender???

And wolf rims, are just heavy duty rims, that are fitted standard to the 130, and option on other defenders. Both tubed and tubless are availble, but only tubless come standard here.

[Scallops]

And wolf rims, are just heavy duty rims, that are fitted standard to the 130, and option on other defenders. Both tubed and tubless are availble, but only tubless come standard here.

Are you sure? :angel:

[Scouse]

And wolf rims, are just heavy duty rims, that are fitted standard to the 130, and option on other defenders. Both tubed and tubless are availble, but only tubless come standard here.


Are you sure? :angel:This site seems to be sure:
Wolf wheels | Land Rover Expedition (http://www.landroverexpedition.com/equipment/wolf-wheels/)

[juddy]

This site seems to be sure:
Wolf wheels | Land Rover Expedition (http://www.landroverexpedition.com/equipment/wolf-wheels/)

Yes it does, thats why i said it.....Lol

[Scallops]

This site seems to be sure:
Wolf wheels | Land Rover Expedition (http://www.landroverexpedition.com/equipment/wolf-wheels/)


Yes it does, thats why i said it.....Lol

OK, and thanks - I stand corrected - sorry pc3 for the bum steer - maybe you will have Wolf rims.

Although - it is confusing (at least to me :blink:) ...that article goes onto say...They are an inch wider than the standard 5.5 inch Land Rover steel wheels....

So - on which vehicle does the standard LR steel wheel come on?

[Scouse]

So - on which vehicle does the standard LR steel wheel come on?A standard Defender wheel is what was fitted to the regular 110 Defenders.

[land864]

I think that site is just one Landrover owner man's opinion:)

Ring Fred Smith at Fred Smith 4WD in Melb;)

Fred's been working on landys for more than 30 years now.

He is the Landy Guru in Melbourne and it is he who told me in no uncertain terms that tubed rims are not Wolf Rims.

Having said all that , if both tubed and tubeless variants were fitted to UK Army Wolf Landrovers , then I guess you could say that the tubed ones are technically Wolf rims as fitted at some time to Army Wolf vehicles

:confused::confused::confused:

What the heck.
I'm taking by tubed Wolf rim lookalikes :p off the County and fitting the BFG Muds off the Stage one to use as my offroading Spare wheels and tyres:D

[slt]

Just having clocked-up 15,000km in my 130 (with the standard tubeless "Wolfs" and XZLs) I have the following observation:


I quite like the look of the combination, and I'm convinced the XZLs are quite a capable muddie.
XZLs are very noisy on the highway.
I've worn a 1/3 of the tread off the tyres (much of the 15k were done fast highway driving). I guess I'll have to chuck them before they have done 30k!
As (if I remember correctly) The Ho Hars remarked elsewhere, the XZLs don't seem to handle heavy loads all that well. So if you intend to stick a heavyish camper on your tray you'll probably get similar results. And at $400+ a pop I think I'll be looking for something else in a year's time.

[bcj]

xzl-80% offroad. 30k outa a mud tyre- such is life -grip excellent offroad. My last A/T's only lasted 40k & I reckon the xzl's ain't much behind them onroad dry or wet. I'm happy to sacrifice tyre life for the amount of grip they provide in mud or on grass
hope to stretch mine a bit further, most of my driving onroad is at 80-90.
10pr, quite a high load rating-I quite often carry over 1t(onroad)
I do 500km/week onroad but run xzl' for the 20% of the time I'm in the paddock(don't like slipping off hills)
Probably not the best tyre for long hwy trips but if you want to go anywhere
& drive the hwy you need to comprimise some where
Brett
110 300tdi

[rick130]

At the end f the day who cares what name you give the rims ?

The only difference between the tube and tubeless version of the 6.5" 20.6mm offset Heavy Duty rim is the addition of the safety bead on the tubeless version, otherwise they are identical in construction, at least as far as my samples indicate.

[rick130]

"Of course, I imagine it is possible to run a Wolf (or HD rim) with a tube - but the standard 130 rim cannot be used tubeless." or is that should not???

Now that is the question eh Rick :)

Steve

:angel:

It became a rather heated debate the last time this particular scenario came up, so no comment. :D

[cal415]

Just out of curisousity what is the back space/offset of these wolf wheels, do they increase your wheel track? could be useful information to have when i try and get my offset rims engineered due to the 25mm wheel track(12.5mm a side) over standard fitted rims rule. oh and they do look good, to bad about the 6.5in wide thing, a set like that in 8in would be nice.

[rick130]

Just out of curisousity what is the back space/offset of these wolf wheels, do they increase your wheel track? could be useful information to have when i try and get my offset rims engineered due to the 25mm wheel track(12.5mm a side) over standard fitted rims rule. oh and they do look good, to bad about the 6.5in wide thing, a set like that in 8in would be nice.

The offset is 20.6mm vs 33mm for Disco I and 110 rims, so track width is increased 1" over a Disco or 110 rim and backspace should be a neat 4" at that offset.

[frankfe]

I have Black Wolf Rims purchased from Fred Smith Automotive in Melbourne. They were recommended by Fred and are tubeless. Also I have the new BFG Mud Terrains (KM2's) in 255 x 85 x 16. They are sensational and very quiet on the Bitumen. The tyres have given approx 1 inch lift (in ground clearance for the diffs) and corrected the speedo. I roll down hills a little faster in low range, but not enough to be annoying or dangerous. The rims are still only 6.5 inches wide (same as original rims with tubes) and from what I read this is the largest tyre you can place on these rims without being stupid. This does not take away from the looks of 130 (2001 Defender 130 Dual Cab).

[pc3]

I have Black Wolf Rims purchased from Fred Smith Automotive in Melbourne. They were recommended by Fred and are tubeless. Also I have the new BFG Mud Terrains (KM2's) in 255 x 85 x 16. They are sensational and very quiet on the Bitumen. The tyres have given approx 1 inch lift (in ground clearance for the diffs) and corrected the speedo. I roll down hills a little faster in low range, but not enough to be annoying or dangerous. The rims are still only 6.5 inches wide (same as original rims with tubes) and from what I read this is the largest tyre you can place on these rims without being stupid. This does not take away from the looks of 130 (2001 Defender 130 Dual Cab).

What, price are the black WOLF rims and what are the white standard rims worth as a trade in usually ?

[land864]

Frankfe

Assuming everything else is standard, a couple of questions if I could.

1. Tighter/better turning circle with the Black Wolfs or would that require adjustment to the stops?
2. RPM at 100kmh in 5th with the 255/85 R16's fitted.

Pete

[spudboy]

What, price are the black WOLF rims and what are the white standard rims worth as a trade in usually ?

The rims are aound $220 to $240 each (but I live in Adelaide, and have heard they are cheaperin the East).

Put up an avert here in the markets section for the old ones.

[Boots]

Interesting thread,


My 07MY 130 now has 67,000 km and most of the driving has been on the highway with relatively light loads. The original Michelin tyres will be ready for replacement in about 5000 to 10,000 km so I am researching tyres. The Bridgestone D 694 LT is probably going to be my choice. Do members have any experience with these? What would be the normal size for the Defender 130?

Cheers

Boots

[rick130]

[snip] What would be the normal size for the Defender 130?

Cheers

Boots

235/85/16 is the nearest equivalent size to the 7.50/16 of the Michelin XZL's.

Sorry, have no idea on the 694 Bridgeys, haven't used any for many years and the last ones I used were MT 235/85's.

Reasonable for an MT but diabolical on wet bitumen, have been through two sets of BFG 255/85's since and now on a set of Maxxis 762's in 255/85 and both tyres are superior to the old Bridgetsone MT in grip.

[scando]

Hi Rick,

I'm looking for tyres for my 99 130 at the moment for a simpson trip. Just interested to hear what you think of the Maxxis 762s for road noise? Typical muddie? They don't look all that aggressive so thought they might be reasonably quiet.

[rick130]

Hi Rick,

I'm looking for tyres for my 99 130 at the moment for a simpson trip. Just interested to hear what you think of the Maxxis 762s for road noise? Typical muddie? They don't look all that aggressive so thought they might be reasonably quiet.

They howl, but you can't really hear them over all the other noise in a Deafener :D

I think they could be a bit soft/er in the sidewall than the BFG's, I definitely have to run more pressure.
I quite like them, but interestingly one of the miners i know tells me that they didn't do to well in a test in the pit against the BFG's and Coopers.
Pretty well tore up according to him, but I run mine over gravel/dirt/shale roads all the time and they still look ok and I'm not easy on the equipment.

[juddy]

Th 130 rims, are classed as heavy duty rims, they are the same as Wolf rims, which are also heavy duty rims, they come tubless in Oz, but you can get them tubed as a option in the uk, and other markets. I am told the heavy duty rims, sold in oz, were all tubes up until the puma coming here??????

[jake]

Looked at a new 130 Puma last weekend, they are definately tubed.

[pc3]

Looked at a new 130 Puma last weekend, they are definately tubed.

Mines not the michys say tubeless and the beaurepaires guy said there tubeless rims he showed me the safety bead on them.

[rick130]

FWIW I have a mix of tubed and tubeless HD130 rims and mines a '98 build first registered in '99.

Ok, it's one tubeless out of six rims, but it shows you could get either a long time ago here.

If someone wants to search, I've posted part #'s up several times over the years here.

[juddy]

Looked at a new 130 Puma last weekend, they are definately tubed.

Then LRA, dont have a clue what there talking about, i asked them this question, to which they said tubless. My 2010 130's got tubeless...