puma ??

[clean32]

Prompted by a question in another thread. Surly the puma can’t be all that bad? 90 Kw and 6 gears sounds good.
But all that gets posted is warranty broken this broken that. has anyone actually had a good run out of there new puma?

[Scallops]

Heya mate - although I have personally had a lot of warranty claims, I think some further comments are warranted in light of your good question. :)

Firstly, forums will tend to generally attract the, "I have this problem....." type comments. Rarer for persons to just put up a post to say nothing is wrong.

Secondly, most of my warranty issues have been minor.

Thirdly, many of my other warranty issues have been brought to the dealer's attention because I'm fussy, I payed bucks for a brand new vehicle and I want everything perfect whilst it's still within original factory warranty. Non fanatics, such as the average joe who buys a Hilux, probably wouldn't have even noticed an issue.

At the end of the day, I've done 52,000km in mine - it's never broken down. I have taken it over the roughest, most remote tracks in Australia. I'm very glad I waited for a Puma rather than a Td5. It is, in my opinion, a far superior vehicle. Indeed, I agree with 4 X 4 magazine - it is the best Defender yet.

I hope these comments might partially quell your concerns. :)

[SVX37]

It seems you are only reading about the issues. For sure like every other brand there are some issues.Some are common to the brand - all brands. Some are just luck of the draw. Remember, a warranty will sort out most problems. The only real issue I have had is the well known brake vacuum pump letting go.
You will find on this site some very passionate and honest views.
IMHO - you will not go wrong buying a Puma if you want a real 4WD with plenty of power and torque, and is geared extremely well.
I could have purchased a 2nd hand TD5 with all the fruit - they are a good 4WD. But, without turning this into a "mine is better than yours thread", the Puma is the better vehicle in many ways.
Just over 21K in 12 months - quite a few off road trips and I would thoroughly recommend one!

[stig0000]

the thing with the defenders especially is that because they are mostly hand made it depends what day your car was built on, and you can really tell the Friday afternoon cars and the Monday morning hangover cars;)

its a luck of the draw really:wasntme:

but to what i think about puma's,, there are endless posts what i think about them:p

[clean32]

It seems you are only reading about the issues. For sure like every other brand there are some issues.Some are common to the brand - all brands. Some are just luck of the draw. Remember, a warranty will sort out most problems. The only real issue I have had is the well known brake vacuum pump letting go.
You will find on this site some very passionate and honest views.
IMHO - you will not go wrong buying a Puma if you want a real 4WD with plenty of plenty or power and torque and is geared extremely well.
Just over 21K in 12 months - quite a few off road trips and I would thoroughly recommend one!

But that’s my point, i can only read what is posted and to be honest what is generally posted is not putting the puma in a good light. What I am trying to do is get some balance and assuming that some puma owners who have no problems just don’t have anything to post about? you could also add to that that I assume new puma owners are not the get there hands dirty types compared to a 20 year old defender owner so maybe the overall attitude to what should or should not be fixed is a bit different, scallops touched on this point with if you have a warrantee use it to the max. As for comparing to other marks, who cares none are in the league or class of a defender

[one_iota]

As you can see from my signature I moved from a Disco to the Defender. I bought the Disco second hand and without a warranty. In the 11 years that I owned it if anything broke (and quite a few things did) I'd either fix them myself or with help so I wasn't an "afraid to get my hands dirty type".

I reckon the Puma Defender is a great vehicle and I enjoy not having to get my hands dirty for a change. The few issues I've had with the Puma have been relatively minor and fixed without issue by someone else and not at my expense.

[SVX37]

Clearly, you haven't read enough!
You should note that in life, one negative comment = ten positive comments!
It is important to note, forums tend to discuss issues and if other members are having them, and what the fixes are.
If you are put off buying one - then don't buy one. It will speed up the delivery for the guy waiting behind you!
I would suggest if you test drive one in both high and low range, you will come to a decision quickly.
In addition, I don't have the time nor the skill to get my hands dirty.
I just enjoy driving the thing on and off road.
The people that look in envy as I drive and pull up at the lights always brings a smile to my face.

[Gav110]

Check this thread out: Defender2 - View topic - Just for the record - I'm loving my TDCi (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic463.html?highlight=puma+appreciation)

There's a few Limeys (and Aussies) there almost moved to tears [of joy]...

You will love it - when you drive it you wonder why LR didn't do such a simple upgrade years ago (decent ventilation and gears were all around in the Transit et al 10-15 years ago).

I reckon had they done it, and more recently had they fitted airbags, (and maybe offered a better support network) people and companies who buy utility vehicles would ask themselves why would they even think of buying Toyotas.

But that's just my 2 pence worth...

[juddy]

But that’s my point, i can only read what is posted and to be honest what is generally posted is not putting the puma in a good light. What I am trying to do is get some balance and assuming that some puma owners who have no problems just don’t have anything to post about? you could also add to that that I assume new puma owners are not the get there hands dirty types compared to a 20 year old defender owner so maybe the overall attitude to what should or should not be fixed is a bit different, scallops touched on this point with if you have a warrantee use it to the max. As for comparing to other marks, who cares none are in the league or class of a defender

well i love mine, and its not missed a beat yet...

[austastar]

Hi,
I've just bought a new Defender 130 Cab Chassis and am delighted with it.
All the stories and tales of woe about Defenders had me worried, but I bought it because in comparing the dimensions and load carrying capacities of the other two major competitors, LR was way out in front.
It is just so nice to drive, it went on our first off road trip yesterday, OK admittedly I'm a bit of a novice on 4wd, but it handled every thing with consummate ease, even my clumsy use of the transfer lever.
Even the Mrs is impressed, she is happy with the creature comfort level with heater, aircon and sound levels.
She even drove it on a quiet country road for a while, and it is certainly different to her little Corolla, but she did ok. Obviously clutch pressure and gear shifting were much more solid than she was used to, but with power steering and a very forgiving motor, her first attempt was not inelegant.
Am I happy? Haven't stopped grinning since I picked it up!

cheers

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/528.jpg

[PAT303]

If you think about it for a moment if Land Rovers were as bad as all the non Land Rovers owners say they are none of us would buy them.I want to buy a Puma next year to replace my very high millage Tdi and would not even consider a different vehicle,I drive them all at work and none of them do it for me.I get nothing but horror stories about my L322 but it's done almost 60K in 14 months and the only thing thats gone wrong was the key fob battery went flat so it wouldn't start.Like posted above you only hear about the problems,people don't post up saying that all is good. Pat

[dullbird]

Clean as you know....I have had a ot of issues with my car.

Personally I think some of them were knock on effects from major issues I had early on..the joys of getting one of the first landed here I guess.

However I love the car and I would not get rid of it...I have not driven a TD5 but nothing draws me to one either.

And just to also put it out there...If you look at all the issues I have had with mine, only once was a left stranded and that was in my driveway as something had interefered it seems with the immobiliser frequency causing the car not to start...I believe the Td5 disc's had a similar problem.

Like everyone says you will always hear the bad in situations like a forum especially with a car which is relativly new to OZ as people are still sussing things out.

If you think people dont like Puma's or have faith in them start a thread on how **** they are and watch the reaction of many defend them....if they were that bad this would not be the case :D

I did a 12,000k trip last year in mine, and its going to the cape next year..I dont have any issues taking it.

yes I'm looking into extended warranty for peace of mind, but when you look at the issues I have personally had with my car who wouldn't?

[clean32]

Dullbird, you seem to have missed my point and made an incorrect assumption.
Anyone who spends any time on this site knows of the problems you have had with your puma, you are a prolific poster. Posting not only your problems but your views and opinions etc.

But that is my point! Do you not think that since a reasonable proportion ( relatively speaking) of the puma posts would be yours adding to that, that in the main they are posts of a fault or problem that you are experiencing. Do you not think that you may have added or even slued the perception of the puma to a negative one? Or at least contributed to it.

If you post 10 times about your problems and 10 others who have no problems don’t post then of course the perception would not be positive.
If the perception of the puma is negative which it seems to be then we get threads or posts asking if its true, which we have. If we were to consider the 10:1 ratio mentioned by another poster and used myself above then for every poster asking about the reliability of the puma and does purchase one then it would seem reasonable to expect that there are 10 others who decide not to purchase a puma. The knock on effects of this scenario are obvious to an existing puma owner like your self. If we were to continue with this unlikely scenario. we could argue that as a result due to your public publishing of your problems and the lack of trouble free posts that given a large enough audience, defender sales could totally dry up and second hand values would drop though the floor.

[LR D4]

Thanks alot now I have to post the post I didn't want to post.

I HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH MY 09 MODEL

Happy..... now I can expect the worst..... thanks :mad::mad::mad:

[SVX37]

Dullbird, you seem to have missed my point and made an incorrect assumption.
Anyone who spends any time on this site knows of the problems you have had with your puma, you are a prolific poster. Posting not only your problems but your views and opinions etc.

But that is my point! Do you not think that since a reasonable proportion ( relatively speaking) of the puma posts would be yours adding to that, that in the main they are posts of a fault or problem that you are experiencing. Do you not think that you may have added or even slued the perception of the puma to a negative one? Or at least contributed to it.

If you post 10 times about your problems and 10 others who have no problems don’t post then of course the perception would not be positive.
If the perception of the puma is negative which it seems to be then we get threads or posts asking if its true, which we have. If we were to consider the 10:1 ratio mentioned by another poster and used myself above then for every poster asking about the reliability of the puma and does purchase one then it would seem reasonable to expect that there are 10 others who decide not to purchase a puma. The knock on effects of this scenario are obvious to an existing puma owner like your self. If we were to continue with this unlikely scenario. we could argue that as a result due to your public publishing of your problems and the lack of trouble free posts that given a large enough audience, defender sales could totally dry up and second hand values would drop though the floor.

Ummmmm........with respect, there is no logic in your logic. You are using my ratio of 10:1 ilogically.;)
Some of your comments of Defender sales drying up and 2nd hand values falling through the floor are more wishful thinking on your behalf.
And besides.....MINE IS NOT FOR SALE! I LOVE MINE!:D

Again, unlike some forums, you get some real honesty on here but it seems again with respect, you are the one missing the point.

You should perhaps just make a decision for yourself...:wasntme:

[Drover]

Had mine for just over 12 months, done 11,000K's

Going to Simpson and surrounds for 6 week trip in late June, Total confidence in this truck.

Only had two problems in the time I have owned it - 1/ Sun roof latch.
2/ Rear seat release.

That is it.

Always had Disco's in the past, but the D3 tore it for me with continual electrical problems

The PUMA is a top vehicle - deserving a great reputation

[clean32]

Ummmmm........with respect, there is no logic in your logic. You are using my ratio of 10:1 ilogically.;)
Some of your comments of Defender sales drying up and 2nd hand values falling through the floor are more wishful thinking on your behalf.
And besides.....MINE IS NOT FOR SALE! I LOVE MINE!:D

Again, unlike some forums, you get some real honesty on here but it seems again with respect, you are the one missing the point.

You should perhaps just make a decision for yourself...:wasntme:

wishful thinking on my part LOL but it begs the question, why are you pushing for a wind up?

[clean32]

Had mine for just over 12 months, done 11,000K's

Going to Simpson and surrounds for 6 week trip in late June, Total confidence in this truck.

Only had two problems in the time I have owned it - 1/ Sun roof latch.
2/ Rear seat release.

That is it.

Always had Disco's in the past, but the D3 tore it for me with continual electrical problems

The PUMA is a top vehicle - deserving a great reputation

ahh thats what we need to see more of

[dullbird]

Wooooo where has that come from:o

I have not mised your point, the point of my post was to say that I have had problems but the car is still great!!..Ie I would still recommend people get one

I.e anyone reading my post should feel that even though I have had problems I'm still happy with the car and the way it perfoms, so if i'm hapy and I have had problems then people that dont have problems would be even happier.

Anyway I can only feel by the tone of your post that you most certainly didn't read my post in a postivie way and felt the need to lecture me.

drove wrote that he has confidence in his truck

and you said we need more comments like his however

you dont feel that I dont have confidence in mine even though I wrote

I did a 12,000k trip last year in mine, and its going to the cape next year..I dont have any issues taking it.


You made an honest thread with an honest question and I thought I gave you an honest positive reply......a positive which was drawn from my experience which was initally negative

Far out!! :no2:



Dullbird, you seem to have missed my point and made an incorrect assumption.
Anyone who spends any time on this site knows of the problems you have had with your puma, you are a prolific poster. Posting not only your problems but your views and opinions etc.

But that is my point! Do you not think that since a reasonable proportion ( relatively speaking) of the puma posts would be yours adding to that, that in the main they are posts of a fault or problem that you are experiencing. Do you not think that you may have added or even slued the perception of the puma to a negative one? Or at least contributed to it.

If you post 10 times about your problems and 10 others who have no problems don’t post then of course the perception would not be positive.
If the perception of the puma is negative which it seems to be then we get threads or posts asking if its true, which we have. If we were to consider the 10:1 ratio mentioned by another poster and used myself above then for every poster asking about the reliability of the puma and does purchase one then it would seem reasonable to expect that there are 10 others who decide not to purchase a puma. The knock on effects of this scenario are obvious to an existing puma owner like your self. If we were to continue with this unlikely scenario. we could argue that as a result due to your public publishing of your problems and the lack of trouble free posts that given a large enough audience, defender sales could totally dry up and second hand values would drop though the floor.

[Allan]

Got both Puma SVX and TD5 90 would not swap either for anything but when I go to the Pilbara or the Kimberleys the 90 stays home. Always need the greater space and the quieter and higher cruising speeds of the Puma. Totally different and unique vehicles. By the way the only problem that was not self made I have had was clutch rattle, fixed with modified clutch and vacum pump, again fixed by the dealer. I have heard some Toyota owners are waiting for ever for injectors etc, mine was fixed in a couple of days.

Allan








Allan

[clean32]

Wooooo where has that come from:o

I have not mised your point, the point of my post was to say that I have had problems but the car is still great!!..Ie I would still recommend people get one

I.e anyone reading my post should feel that even though I have had problems I'm still happy with the car and the way it perfoms, so if i'm hapy and I have had problems then people that dont have problems would be even happier.

Anyway I can only feel by the tone of your post that you most certainly didn't read my post in a postivie way and felt the need to lecture me.

drove wrote that he has confidence in his truck

and you said we need more comments like his however

you dont feel that I dont have confidence in mine even though I wrote




Far out!! :no2:

sounds better

[dullbird]

sounds better

I have always said that about my car clean, just go on Defende2.net

I say it on there all the time....I have also said it on here

I'm not a Nah sayer when it comes to the puma hence why I'm always in the front line defending them. :)

If I had my time over again would I buy again???? yes I would 110%

knowing what I know now would I have bought so early? probably not.

Have I considered having a puma 90 as my next car instead of a D3...yes I have:cool:..

That must give you some indication wher I was coming from:)

[SloMoBro]

We've had the Puma for about 8 months and just love it. Same as Dullbird, I'd get the 90 version for a second car if I could.
Offroad the vehicle shines. Any probs we've had have been minor, ours is an 07 model, done 40000 k's.
Got on this forum after buying the Puma and have found it to be positive, even posts of others woes. Gives you a heads up of what to look out for.
It seems even though people have had their troubles they're still enjoying their vehicles and aren't getting rid of them.

[cripesamighty]

We've had our Puma for coming up to 2yrs and apart from some problems in the beginning caused by plastic swarf in the fuel tank we have been trouble free. Have been across the Nullarbor 3 times from WA on caving trips and been into some quite inhospitable parts of the country and the Puma has handled everything thrown at it with aplomb. More often than not making other heavily modified Toyos and Nissans we have gone out with look decidedly second rate.

There was a noticeable step up in performance (but decreased fuel economy) as we upgraded our Defenders, from the 300 Tdi to the TD5 and finally the best of the lot - the Puma. A quick search on this forum will show you what problems have shown up and how to correct them. If you do that you should hopefully have trouble free motoring in a quite special vehicle.

[Loubrey]

I've owned Defenders since 1996 and there is no question of another brand. I would most probably have opted for a second hand 90 if those where available. They just plain aren't because the people who own them would have no reason to sell them except maybe additions to the family that would neccesitate a upsizing to a 110!

As luck would have it I was able to purchase a new 90 and it is by far the best Land Rover I've ever owned. Solihull has obviously been working hard to address some of the issues mentioned here on the forum. I very much appreciate the so called "negative" comments because I'm able to go out and check mine and not wait till something "might" happen. That's the purpose of an enthusiast's forum is it not?

As it is, I've had a small oil leak from my Puma 90s front diff. Not developed, but there from day one because an assembly worker had botched putting it together. Thus not a design fault of Land Rover's, but a human error in a car largely assembled by hand.

One of my previous 90s had 350 000km on when I sold it and the bloke who bought it from me bought the best second hand car he ever would. These cars fill a requirement in the market and a Puma Defender will out perform any stock standard vehicle offroad, no questions asked, and so will any of it's older brothers.

Rule on the Defender!

[sorefeetseepete]

I just thought I would add my defender experiences. My first new car, bought in dec 2007. My only warranty issues so far are the CD player stopped working somewhere near Alice Springs (had to use the computer), plus my handbrake didnt hold as well as it should, and the sliding rear window has stopped sliding. Only started two weeks ago and didnt worry me too much until it was going to rain. I pulled out the bunching felt to let it close but now it rattles. Will get it fixed before I head off again this year. I am considering a gull wing door for security and convenience. The two things I most wish I could have with this defender are a bonnet mounted wheel carrier plus the under front windsrceen vents.

The positives are great. The modifications available are outstanding. The best mods so far are a rear drawer (self made), side and rear awnings, left hand side water container, and I am finishing off my centre cubby box which I hope to post soon. I havnt seen too many posts on modifications on this area of the defender,but my original cubby box was way too large and a large black hole.
thanks.

[Allan]

By the way Dullbird thanks for all your posts, as the puma is a new product to many owners and ANY scrutiny is very helpful on a forum such as this

Allan

[Grockle]

the Puma is certainly the best Defender we've had from the 200 tdi through to the Puma

[alittlebitconcerned]

Mine has had continual issues since I bought it with less than 30k on the clock; and it still does. It drove me absolutely nuts that no sooner had one issue been sorted than another would show itself, again and again ad nauseum.
Having said all that, somewhere along my my cars rocky road to good health I fell deeply in looove with it. :p Now I continually find reasons to be taking it for a drive (you need a litre of milk honey? I'm happy to go get it. No, you don't need one? I think I better go get one just in case...).
This may be less an endorsment of a Puma than an admission of my own insanity but I love this car and enjoy it hugely; not for everyone though.

[solmanic]

As the original poster of the "Just for the record I'm loving my Puma..." thread on the Defender2 forum, I can add that despite all my warranty issues, this is still true for me. I'm loving it.

I'm sure I've posted this before somewhere, but I think the internet and forums like this are partly responsible for the explosion in warranty claims and negative press the Puma has attracted. As soon as one person posts a problem on this site we all rush out and look at our vehicles searching for even a sniff of the same thing. Many of these in the past would have gone undetected and probably never caused us any issues on the road, but now with the aid of broadcast knowledge like on this site, the dealers get hammered with one genuine customer problem, and ten pre-emptive fixes.

Another thing is the number of warranty repairs that are follow-up work to dodgy 1st time fixes by dealers. I know I have had probably 1/3 of my trips to the dealer to repair damage caused by them during the last repair - dashboard scratches, loose trim, punctured headlining etc. Somewhere on this forum I posted a thread where I tried to summarise all the general warranty issues people have had vs minor issues that did not effect the reliability of the vehicle or were caused by dealers during other repairs.

I agree with Scallops, I am also fussy. Like us all, I paid over $50K for my dream car and want it to be as perfect as Defender can be. So that means if it's not 100% within factory specifications, I expect the dealer to make it so by the time I exit the warranty period - no matter how many trips back it takes.

[solmanic]

Forgot about this thread too...

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/61855-tdci-defender-appreciation-thread.html

[clean32]

As the original poster of the "Just for the record I'm loving my Puma..." thread on the Defender2 forum, I can add that despite all my warranty issues, this is still true for me. I'm loving it.

I'm sure I've posted this before somewhere, but I think the internet and forums like this are partly responsible for the explosion in warranty claims and negative press the Puma has attracted. As soon as one person posts a problem on this site we all rush out and look at our vehicles searching for even a sniff of the same thing. Many of these in the past would have gone undetected and probably never caused us any issues on the road, but now with the aid of broadcast knowledge like on this site, the dealers get hammered with one genuine customer problem, and ten pre-emptive fixes.

Another thing is the number of warranty repairs that are follow-up work to dodgy 1st time fixes by dealers. I know I have had probably 1/3 of my trips to the dealer to repair damage caused by them during the last repair - dashboard scratches, loose trim, punctured headlining etc. Somewhere on this forum I posted a thread where I tried to summarise all the general warranty issues people have had vs minor issues that did not effect the reliability of the vehicle or were caused by dealers during other repairs.

I agree with Scallops, I am also fussy. Like us all, I paid over $50K for my dream car and want it to be as perfect as Defender can be. So that means if it's not 100% within factory specifications, I expect the dealer to make it so by the time I exit the warranty period - no matter how many trips back it takes.

1 my point exactly, but worded much better. You referred to people who already have a Puma running out and checking there vehicles after reading about someone else’s experiences. What about those who have not yet purchased a puma and are either considering upgrading to, or moving to the mark. What would there response be after reading the same posts?

2 and so you should being what is to most people there second largest purchase ( after a house)

[povman]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth!
I bought a brand new top of the line Nis Navara last year, registered in Aril 09. I had all the options and accessories you could poke a stick at, but......
Nothing but bloody trouble....
I actually have a long list of problems that I had with it and one even being a brand new clutch system had to be replaced after 10,000k/m, now, to me that's unacceptable but what I'm getting at is...
It doesn't matter what brand or make of new car it is, they are all going to have some problems with them, minor or major. If all new cars were spot on from the factory, the car companies wouldn't offer a warranty!
Getting back to the issue at hand,
I sold the Navara and I bought a brand new 2010, 110 wagon and,
I BLOODY LOVE IT!!!!
Sure it's already had a minor issue but It's a hand made Deefer and it just adds to the quirkiness of it..
All I'm trying to say is that all cars CAN have problems, but all cars aren't DEFENDERS!!!!!!!
Cheers people,

Povman.:D

[solmanic]

...What about those who have not yet purchased a puma and are either considering upgrading to, or moving to the mark. What would there response be after reading the same posts?

I guess that we Defender owners are conflicted. On one hand we want to convert everyone we meet to our religion, but on the other hand we don't want people to think Defender ownership is too easy otherwise everyone would get one and we would no longer feel special :angel:.

In any case, at least the information published here gives potential owners the ability to make their purchase with eyes wide open. The list of problems others have experienced gives new owners a good post-delivery inspection schedule. You've got to really want a Defender. And like I always say, they are only 90% complete when they roll out of the factory so it's up to dealers to finish the job through warranty as best they can.

[vnx205]

.... .... ... ....

There was a noticeable step up in performance (but decreased fuel economy) as we upgraded our Defenders, from the 300 Tdi to the TD5 and finally the best of the lot - the Puma.
.. ... ... ... ... ..



Do you mean decreased economy or decreased consumption? My first interpretation was that you meant the economy was worse and I started this post to ask if that was because you were using the extra performance ie driving faster) and so using more fuel.

Maybe you didn't mean you were using more fuel.

[clean32]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents worth!
I bought a brand new top of the line Nis Navara last year, registered in Aril 09. I had all the options and accessories you could poke a stick at, but......
Nothing but bloody trouble....
I actually have a long list of problems that I had with it and one even being a brand new clutch system had to be replaced after 10,000k/m, now, to me that's unacceptable but what I'm getting at is...
It doesn't matter what brand or make of new car it is, they are all going to have some problems with them, minor or major. If all new cars were spot on from the factory, the car companies wouldn't offer a warranty!
Getting back to the issue at hand,
I sold the Navara and I bought a brand new 2010, 110 wagon and,
I BLOODY LOVE IT!!!!
Sure it's already had a minor issue but It's a hand made Deefer and it just adds to the quirkiness of it..
All I'm trying to say is that all cars CAN have problems, but all cars aren't DEFENDERS!!!!!!!
Cheers people,

Povman.:D

you raised an interesting point, a Nissan needing major warrantee work, what happens you sell it. A puma needing warranty work and its accepted and loved for it, being hand built etc etc, so even ourselves use different benchmarks.

The main difference between a Nissan and a puma is that if you are thinking of purchasing either and you decide to use Google. All you get for the Nissan are car sales new and second hand etc. If you Google land rover defender owner in the same manor as you Google Nissan, this site comes up as second hit. I would sagest that 20 minutes googling would push you towards the Nissan.

[jakeslouw]

Guys, Nissan Navaras and Pathfinders have been building up a really PATHETIC reputation, mostly around but not limited to the clutches and the motors.
I have heard of MANY cases in South Africa where Nissan South Africa simply REFUSED to replace clutches under warranty at 10,000km, claiming driver negligence and fair wear and tear. Those clutches cost around AUD$2000 a pop.

Also cases of engine issues: injectors and turbos but also total engine loss, where Nissan also refused to honour any warranty.
Suspension: same story.

This seems to be strong mirror of what we now consider the "Toyota mindset": refusal to recall or repair unless faced by a class action legal battle.

So I would read the posted issues regarding the Puma in this light: if LR repairs under warranty without quibble, what then is the issue?
Sure it's inconvenient, but if you are not DIRECTLY out of pocket, where is the real harm?
If you feel that you are nervous about Puma "issues", simply buy a low mileage second hand model: the previous owner probably sorted all the problems before selling! :twisted:

[cripesamighty]

Hi VNX205,

Actually driving style has stayed the same but can't get as much range out of the tank!

The 300TDi got better fuel economy than TD5 (the long range tank went from the TDi into the TD5) and the Puma's fuel economy is not as good as TD5's. Mind you performance has certainly improved with each model update so am not complaining!


Cheers,

Cripesamighty

[vnx205]

Hi VNX205,

Actually driving style has stayed the same but can't get as much range out of the tank!

The 300TDi got better fuel economy than TD5 (the long range tank went from the TDi into the TD5) and the Puma's fuel economy is not as good as TD5's. Mind you performance has certainly improved with each model update so am not complaining!


Cheers,

Cripesamighty

That surprises me.

Surely the new engines are more efficient than the ones they replaced and should use less fuel to do the same job.

Maybe what is happening is that you drive the vehicle so that it feels as if you are driving as hard as you used to, but because of the extra performance, you are actually accelerating faster.

[Gav110]

Guys, Nissan Navaras and Pathfinders have been building up a really PATHETIC reputation, mostly around but not limited to the clutches and the motors.
I have heard of MANY cases in South Africa where Nissan South Africa simply REFUSED to replace clutches under warranty at 10,000km, claiming driver negligence and fair wear and tear. Those clutches cost around AUD$2000 a pop.

Also cases of engine issues: injectors and turbos but also total engine loss, where Nissan also refused to honour any warranty.
Suspension: same story.

This seems to be strong mirror of what we now consider the "Toyota mindset": refusal to recall or repair unless faced by a class action legal battle.

So I would read the posted issues regarding the Puma in this light: if LR repairs under warranty without quibble, what then is the issue?
Sure it's inconvenient, but if you are not DIRECTLY out of pocket, where is the real harm?
If you feel that you are nervous about Puma "issues", simply buy a low mileage second hand model: the previous owner probably sorted all the problems before selling! :twisted:

Add to that cracked and bent chassis from towing the specified maximum loads... Apparently the new 3T rating was ill conceived - the engine can cope but not the chassis.

[SVX37]

[ If you Google land rover defender owner in the same manor as you Google Nissan, this site comes up as second hit. I would sagest that 20 minutes googling would push you towards the Nissan.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Mr McEnroe but......."You cannot be serious!":wasntme:

Sorry, but if you make all your decisions in life from Forums, well,.....I guess that is your choice.

I'm not sure too many people would buy a Nissan over a Deefer because the internet said they should. But, you are entitled to your opinion.:angel:

[jakeslouw]

I'm actually also a Nissan owner (albeit an old D21 TD27T Pathfinder......), but the Navara and new Pathfinder fail to impress.
I've heard of guys spending well over USD$2,500 just to get theirs ACCEPTABLE for mild off-roading (trails rated 1-3 out of 5). Note I say ACCEPTABLE, not GOOD or even EXCELLENT. Mods include:
- radiator guards: Navaras and Pathys dig their noses in due to insufficient clearance under the new radiator
- suspension mods: to provide extra clearance as above, and also to stop the vehicle hanging up on the rock sliders
- skid plates and rock sliders: to avoid damage as above
etc
etc

I reckon a bog standard Disco2 with CDL and TC will knock the bloody socks off one of these "cars" (and I use the name car as I consider the new Nissans to be nothing more), and it'll cost a fraction of the price.

An old TDi Defender with CDL and a rear ARB will MURDER them.

Now I reckon a vehicle that costs well over USD$52,000 over here should be AT LEAST as good as the Puma which costs a fair chunk less.

OK, so we have a nice highly-stressed Nissan TDCi motor, but Nissan South Africa have now started turning DOWN the fuel and boost on these cars to avoid warranty damages. This is as per a PUBLISHED workshop memo. Up to 20kW reduction in power.

[clean32]

[ If you Google land rover defender owner in the same manor as you Google Nissan, this site comes up as second hit. I would sagest that 20 minutes googling would push you towards the Nissan.

Thanks Mr McEnroe but......."You cannot be serious!":wasntme:

Sorry, but if you make all your decisions in life from Forums, well,.....I guess that is your choice.

I'm not sure too many people would buy a Nissan over a Deefer because the internet said they should. But, you are entitled to your opinion.:angel:[/QUOTE]

Mate i think the first word in that line is "IF"

besides evidence is against you, 67% of private new cars sold have a large internet portion in the decision making process

[SVX37]

Thanks Mr McEnroe but......."You cannot be serious!":wasntme:

Sorry, but if you make all your decisions in life from Forums, well,.....I guess that is your choice.

I'm not sure too many people would buy a Nissan over a Deefer because the internet said they should. But, you are entitled to your opinion.:angel:

Mate i think the first word in that line is "IF"

besides evidence is against you, 67% of private new cars sold have a large internet portion in the decision making process[/QUOTE]




And I would assume that's because people are looking at website of the Manufacturers mostly. Regardless, are you buying a Nissan or a Deefender? We want to know.... Or will you just tyre kick on here for a bit longer just trying to convince yourself you want one but you are not a calculated risk taker?:wasntme::D

[one_iota]

I'm confused and bewildered. (not unusual for me) :confused:;)

The argument leads me to not buying a Defender because I read something on an enthusiasts' forum that might have informed my decision to take a risk (as you do with any vehicle).

A long time ago when I bought the Alfa I was told by everyone who knew everything that it would be a pile of iron oxide in the carport within a year....enough to put any reasonable person off such a fool hardy venture. I did a bit of research (the internet hadn't been invented) and my line of enquiry informed me that the vehicle was covered by a 6 year corrosion warranty and furthermore that they no longer towed them behind the ship on the way here.

What the research didn't tell me was that the leather cover on the gear stick was prone to coming off and the interior light cover had a habit of falling off. Had I known that would I have not bought the Alfa???? If there had been a forum like this I would have been informed and prepared to deal with the issue.

So that is what this place does with regards to the Puma Defender and other species and sub species of Land Rover: it informs and reassures the courageous for whom Defender ownership is the great reward. :D

[JohnR]

71,000kms and still going strong! We love it, takes us and the kids everywhere and get plenty of attention.
I read all the negatives and make an informed decision myself. I have a really good relationship with my service manager and they really look after me well. It pays to be nice to them as they are humans to, just trying to do their job. If you look after them, they'll look after you.:)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/78.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/10/774.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/79.jpg
They ROCK !! :cool:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/239.jpg
Cheers,

[jakeslouw]

Johno, what's your opinion on the Humvee?

Post some pix, will you?

[rovercare]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/239.jpg
Cheers,

Haha, that's awseome, cute kid:)

Looks like the dead sticks near arbuckle junction in the high country!

[clean32]

I'm confused and bewildered. (not unusual for me)

The argument leads me to not buying a Defender because I read something on an enthusiasts' forum that might have informed my decision to take a risk (as you do with any vehicle).

not quite, my intent was to high light the in balance of positive and negative posts about the puma by puma owners, there have been a couple of good posts by others pointing out how this has come about.

I then moved on to how it may look to others who are not current or may have never been land rover owners. My example of just googling any manufactures "owners" will give you quite a long list of " company " websites or dealer websites. of course there is no negative information on these sites. How ever if we google Landrover owners this site pops up second or third, so in short compared to other manufactures there is a lot more information or negative information close at hand than there is for other manufactures.


A long time ago when I bought the Alfa I was told by everyone who knew everything that it would be a pile of iron oxide in the carport within a year....enough to put any reasonable person off such a fool hardy venture. I did a bit of research (the internet hadn't been invented) and my line of enquiry informed me that the vehicle was covered by a 6 year corrosion warranty and furthermore that they no longer towed them behind the ship on the way here.

What the research didn't tell me was that the leather cover on the gear stick was prone to coming off and the interior light cover had a habit of falling off. Had I known that would I have not bought the Alfa???? If there had been a forum like this I would have been informed and prepared to deal with the issue.

So that is what this place does with regards to the Puma Defender and other species and sub species of Land Rover: it informs and reassures the courageous for whom Defender ownership is the great reward.

Well that’s confirming my point, you researched and found out better information which lead to your buying an alfa. Today with the internet it is becoming or has become the first point of gathering information.

Or and like most people here. i wanted a LR so i got a LR in spite of having driven a GWM D3 across Russia TWICE and used it as my daily driver for 2 years in a climate and roads unimaginable harsh that most aussies couldn’t even begin to understand ( i mean that in a nice way) the only failed part I had was a burnt out wiper motor, this problem was compounded by the local dealer having there agency with drawn. end result was a truck sent from Moscow to pick the vehicle up ( now that’s service) Logic would dictate that i should get another GWM vehicle in Australia, i didn’t i got a LR because that’s what i wanted. my myself like the majority of posters here are already LR nuts so its really like preaching to the converted. BUT the largest market for LR products or the puma in this case are the NOT CONVERTED.

[Allan]

71,000kms and still going strong! We love it, takes us and the kids everywhere and get plenty of attention.
I read all the negatives and make an informed decision myself. I have a really good relationship with my service manager and they really look after me well. It pays to be nice to them as they are humans to, just trying to do their job. If you look after them, they'll look after you.:)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/78.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/10/774.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2011/10/79.jpg
They ROCK !! :cool:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/239.jpg
Cheers,


This post really makes the point , what vehicle can you do this to, wash, if you have time, and take to the dealer and have it serviced and perhaps complain that you had water/dust entry to be sure most times that attemps will be made to fix your problem without cost. My service centre now how I feel about my 2 Land Rovers and at all times go out of there way to make sure all is well and I have only praise for the Osbourne Park dealer ( I dont own or have shares in this compony by the way). I drive my Puma like its stolen and it has never let me down, my son who drives a D3 calls it a LR recovery vehicle and can not get over its performance.
Series and Defender vehicles are the basis of the modern 4x4 and are still the bench mark that all other manufacturers copy. LR are still in a legue of there own, even the tyre manufactures cant keep up.

Allan

[spudfan]

Could'nt have put it better myself! 100% agree.I own a Puma so I am not sitting on the fence.

[spudfan]

Back again. I was so inspired by the postings of JOHNR and Allan that I grabbed my driving licence, clenched my keys to the Puma firmly in my fist, kissed the Mrs. and kids goodbye and strode out to Zulu, our Puma. There she was glinting in the evening sunshine from last week's waxing. I was a man inspired. Where could I go-Africa maybe. No, dinner would be ready in an hour's time, so Africa was out of the running. Anyway I climbed into Zulu, switched her on and once more smiled from ear to ear. Down the road and headed for some heather covered land. Low range second, diff locked and off we went. Climbing and lurching I was still grinning when I headed for home a half an hour later. Might not be Africa(-maybe next week), but dinner was calling. A pure joy.
Has anyone ever experienced anything remotely similar with any other vehicle?I have my doubts.:):)

[Naks]

the thing with the defenders especially is that because they are mostly hand made it depends what day your car was built on, and you can really tell the Friday afternoon cars and the Monday morning hangover car

so true. :angel:

Mine has a nasty pulling-left problem since new. Done wheel alignment, has had the chassis checked, steering box reset, nothing has helped, not even replacing the crappy General Grabbers with 265 BFG AT's *sigh*

We're starting to get used to it and live with it, still only 4500km on the clock. Other than that, nothing major has appeared (yet).

Going on a 5500km tour of Namibia in 2 weeks' time, here she is, with the camping kit bolted on:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/235.jpg

[NOZ]

I am about to get new Puma, when ever it arrives :angel:.

But isnt it a simple decision ? Buy it or don't buy ? Do I like it ? dont I like it ?

All cars/4wds have there issues, if you likethe car/4wd buy it and deal with the issues.

If you dont like it, dont buy it. Sorry it is that simple. It only you that can make that chioce.

[cripesamighty]

Hi VNX205,

Yep, you would of thought so but actually my other half has experienced the exact same thing when driving our various Defenders. She drives like a nanna on road to save fuel (she doesn't like filling up) but is a demon off-road!

Not sure of the exact reason why they use more fuel - different engines, more complexity, different drivetrains etc, but I have also noticed it mentioned on various forums so it is not just us. I'm pretty sure if you look up the fuel economy figures of the 300TDi, TD5 and TDCi you will notice a steady decline in fuel economy.

Cheers,

Cripesamighty



Quote:
Originally Posted by cripesamighty
Hi VNX205,

Actually driving style has stayed the same but can't get as much range out of the tank!

The 300TDi got better fuel economy than TD5 (the long range tank went from the TDi into the TD5) and the Puma's fuel economy is not as good as TD5's. Mind you performance has certainly improved with each model update so am not complaining!


Cheers,

Cripesamighty

That surprises me.

Surely the new engines are more efficient than the ones they replaced and should use less fuel to do the same job.

Maybe what is happening is that you drive the vehicle so that it feels as if you are driving as hard as you used to, but because of the extra performance, you are actually accelerating faster.

[JDNSW]

Maybe what is happening is that you drive the vehicle so that it feels as if you are driving as hard as you used to, but because of the extra performance, you are actually accelerating faster.

I would nearly bet this is the reason for more fuel consumption, although there could be other, minor effects for example, the new airconditioning aparently works a lot better - and probably uses more power doing just that.

John

[Benny_IIA]

I would nearly bet this is the reason for more fuel consumption, although there could be other, minor effects for example, the new airconditioning aparently works a lot better - and probably uses more power doing just that.

John


Could be or the fact they don't have vents, meaning the air con has to used?

[one_iota]

Yes the air conditioning works very well. :)

However it makes very little difference to the fuel consumption at least not that I have noticed over the average of a tank of fuel. 11l /100km.

Fortunately the Defender still has wind down windows so the use of the AC is not mandatory although on a long run at freeway speeds both from a noise comfort point of view and the aerodynamic benefit albeit marginal in a Defender the AC would be far superior to the vents. :p;)

(I've just trodden on a sacred cow there :wasntme:)

I have been able to get an average of 10l/100 whilst travelling at speeds lower than 100 kph. The 300 Tdi achieved that as a rule but didn't have the "oomph".

I find that the torque in the Puma engine allows me to drive very economically without having to push too hard. I think that the "advertised" fuel consumption for the Puma is 13l/100 km for the city so 10 to 11 ain't bad for both town and country.

[Loubrey]

My fuel consumption seems to be ok. My previous 300Tdi Deefers (90s) all struggled to do better than 10km/l or 10l/100km which ever you prefer.

My Puma 90 on the other hand only has 1397km on the clock this far but a recent trip to the South West with around 150km offroad in the Leeuwen Naturalista Park has so far delivered an average of 10.14km/liter or 9.86liter/100km. Gentle sand tracks with a few rocky sections couldn't have played too much of a role though.

I believe it's the foot thing. The first Defender I've ever owned that needs constant effort to stay below the posted speed limit!

[firsttimedefender]

My opinion and only an opinion is that Landrover owner's have a 'disease'. Much like guys that restore old cars. They love sharing their experiences, good and bad. Human nature has it that you will be more motivated to write something down when things annoy you. No doubt all cars have their quirks, but owners of other cars don't seem to be as willing to share their up and downs.
I know guys with Toyotas and Patrols that tell you they've never serviced them and never had a problem. I know for a fact the many issues they have had with their cars. Maybe the PUMA does have more quirks than other models but I think the reason for the overabundance of "negative" comments is that the LR, especially defender, crowd seems more willing to share.
Personally, I am very happy with my 09 PUMA. Runs well, leaks in water (which is to be expected), I had issue with rear seat realease too (dodgey cable return; even they new seat they send from UK had the same problem!), tows my 2T trailer well, I find it comfortable, done 13000K. Will test it out when I go to Kimberleys shortly.:) I can live with things that mostly are issues of preventative maintenance and servicing. From what I understand the PUMA has been around for years in other cars in Europe, so it has and should continue to stand the test of time.

[one_iota]

The only thing I miss (from the Disco) is the variable intermittent wind screen wiper...yes I know there is a solution for this but I'd like to have something to complain about. ;)

[Naks]

The only thing I miss (from the Disco) is the variable intermittent wind screen wiper.

and the cruise control. man, I miss the cc from my D2 :angel:

[firsttimedefender]

Cruise control - one of the first after market additions I got! Can't live without it!

[JamesH]

I never had a Disco but if I had, I'd miss the variable intermittent wipers. I had them in my Rover P6B (God that was an awesome car).

I don't know if Discos had intermittent rear window wipers but if they did, and I'd had one, then I'd miss that too.

[JohnR]

Johno, what's your opinion on the Humvee?

Post some pix, will you?

The Humvee is an awsome vehicle but in all honesty apart from 37"tyres, hugh ground clearance and low centre of gravity the Puma gives it a fair run for its money. Plus the Puma is a LOT quieter :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/190.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/191.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2010/05/192.jpg
:twisted::p

Cheers,

[Allan]

I think my Puma has more down travel on the front suspension than that photo shows. May be just the photo.:eek:

Allan

[JohnR]

Hi Allan, No you'd be right the Humvee does not have a lot of travel it is set up VERY stiff as it was designed to carry heavy stuff over rough terrain. It doesn't take much to make it cock a leg (made perfect for posing:) ) infact without the centre diff lock its very easy to stop it in it's tracks on a very small diagonal wheel lift.
It's main strenght is in the touque of the engine and the overall ground clearance.

Cheers,

[jerryd]

I had a quick test drive in Juddy's new Dual Cab and was very impressed :) although if I could have driven it for an hour longer I would have probably stolen it from him :D

So a couple of kilometres drive in one has convinced me that when the time is right I'll be at the dealer with cheque book in hand ;)

On another note, I purchased a new "Ford Territory" which had many, many faults. Most were put right under warranty, but many were not. The scariest was when a bottom ball joint collapsed at 100kph :eek: Would I buy another ?? No way

[Loubrey]

I agree, all makes have problems of varying degrees and every model of every make have those built on a Friday afternoon in the last couple of hours just before knock off. :o Everybody knows about those and unfortunately some get to own them!

The big difference between "us" and "them" is that we are prepared to site in a circle and say "Hi, my name is Lourens, and I drive a Defender...It leaks water in... oil out...it has a mind of it's own... but I have no intention ever to stop doing so...":D

Drivers of other 4x4 marques just keep living in blissfull denial!:eek:

Cheers!

[PAT303]

Owners of other makes living in denial,come on,thats just not true.:angel:. pat

[isuzurover]

I think my Puma has more down travel on the front suspension than that photo shows. May be just the photo.:eek:

Allan


Hummers have less wheel travel than a go-kart. There is an amusing youtube video of a hummer driving up a travel ramp...

I remember years ago someone wrote in to a US 4x4 magazine, and asked if they could do a back-back comparison of a hummer vs a D90. The magazine replied that unfortunately the hummer can't fit down any of the tracks that they take their D90 on...

[PAT303]

I've driven a mil spec hummer and having the motor under your left elbow on one side and your feet pointed towards 2 o'clock on the right side was enough for me,not to mention they would be out excelerated by a 2H 60 series. Pat

[JohnR]

I've driven a mil spec hummer and having the motor under your left elbow on one side and your feet pointed towards 2 o'clock on the right side was enough for me,not to mention they would be out excelerated by a 2H 60 series. Pat

Pat I'd hate to disagree with you but I own one. The seating position is no more uncomforable than the defenders position that we all defend here on this site. (Infact mine is nicer as I have Stratos seats in him:D)
And as for acceleration. It has a 6.2L V8 coupled with a VERY low ratio gear box and transfer case therefore huge torque and quite decent acceleration. Up to about 60kph after that yes a a small fluffy dog can run faster. I know for a fact that I can't leave my Puma in a great cloud of desiel smoke from a standing start. :burnrubber:

They are an awesome vehicle and have earnt an unfare reputation because of so many idiots in bling civilian vehicles trying to look too cool for school.

Cheers,

[clean32]

Pat I'd hate to disagree with you but I own one. The seating position is no more uncomforable than the defenders position that we all defend here on this site. (Infact mine is nicer as I have Stratos seats in him:D)
And as for acceleration. It has a 6.2L V8 coupled with a VERY low ratio gear box and transfer case therefore huge torque and quite decent acceleration. Up to about 60kph after that yes a a small fluffy dog can run faster. I know for a fact that I can't leave my Puma in a great cloud of desiel smoke from a standing start. :burnrubber:

They are an awesome vehicle and have earnt an unfare reputation because of so many idiots in bling civilian vehicles trying to look too cool for school.

Cheers,

a fair comment

[Scallops]

BTW - My Puma, has today, **** it's steering box :eek: - leaking hydraulic fluid. So, back to Austral Tuesday for a replacement. Never a dull moment :( The list so far....

LHS Headlight replaced
CD/Radio replaced
LHS mirror replaced
Brake Vacuum pump replaced (late 2009 model)
Numerous paint issues
Brake reservoir worn through
Intercooler hose worn through
Front ABS sensors (X2) replaced
Starter motor replaced (2010 version)
Ignition replaced (2010 version)
Clutch replaced (2010 model)
Transfer Box replaced (2010 model)
Gearbox replaced (2010 model)
Rear axle replaced (2010 version)
Rear Prop shaft replaced (2009 version)
Swivel seals replaced (2009 version)
Front Uni joint replaced (2009 version)


& now - Steering box.

You'd really have to think - this truck is crap. Christ, I really look after it - sure, I use it, but still. Do I love this truck? Yep. Am I sick? Most likely. :blink:

And before some smart arse tells me so - yes, I virtually own a hybrid 2009/2010 model.

What I like about my Defy is it makes my Series 1 look good! :D And this is how my other Landy is going....

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/ (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/dsc0002x.jpg/)

You don't have to be a sicko to own 2 Land Rovers - but it helps.

[clean32]

BTW - My Puma, has today, **** it's steering box :eek: - leaking hydraulic fluid. So, back to Austral Tuesday for a replacement. Never a dull moment :( The list so far....

LHS Headlight replaced
CD/Radio replaced
LHS mirror replaced
Brake Vacuum pump replaced (late 2009 model)
Numerous paint issues
Brake reservoir worn through
Intercooler hose worn through
Front ABS sensors (X2) replaced
Starter motor replaced (2010 version)
Ignition replaced (2010 version)
Clutch replaced (2010 model)
Transfer Box replaced (2010 model)
Gearbox replaced (2010 model)
Rear axle replaced (2010 version)
Rear Prop shaft replaced (2009 version)
Swivel seals replaced (2009 version)
Front Uni joint replaced (2009 version)


& now - Steering box.

You'd really have to think - this truck is crap. Christ, I really look after it - sure, I use it, but still. Do I love this truck? Yep. Am I sick? Most likely. :blink:

And before some smart arse tells me so - yes, I virtually own a hybrid 2009/2010 model.

What I like about my Defy is it makes my Series 1 look good! :D And this is how my other Landy is going....

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/299/dsc0002x.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/dsc0002x.jpg/)

You don't have to be a sicko to own 2 Land Rovers - but it helps.

how many and what type of klms?

[Grockle]

strewth Dan, what a list,lets hope this is the last problem :eek:

[numpty]

BTW - My Puma, has today, **** it's steering box :eek: - leaking hydraulic fluid. So, back to Austral Tuesday for a replacement. Never a dull moment :( The list so far....

LHS Headlight replaced
CD/Radio replaced
LHS mirror replaced
Brake Vacuum pump replaced (late 2009 model)
Numerous paint issues
Brake reservoir worn through
Intercooler hose worn through
Front ABS sensors (X2) replaced
Starter motor replaced (2010 version)
Ignition replaced (2010 version)
Clutch replaced (2010 model)
Transfer Box replaced (2010 model)
Gearbox replaced (2010 model)
Rear axle replaced (2010 version)
Rear Prop shaft replaced (2009 version)
Swivel seals replaced (2009 version)
Front Uni joint replaced (2009 version)


& now - Steering box.

You'd really have to think - this truck is crap. Christ, I really look after it - sure, I use it, but still. Do I love this truck? Yep. Am I sick? Most likely. :blink:

And before some smart arse tells me so - yes, I virtually own a hybrid 2009/2010 model.

What I like about my Defy is it makes my Series 1 look good! :D And this is how my other Landy is going....



You don't have to be a sicko to own 2 Land Rovers - but it helps.

Whilst I like the Puma and would probably have one if I ever replace the Td5, mine (2006, last of the Td5's) at least, has had very few problems associated with it's 117,000 k's. It has done some very hard trips too and towed heavy trailers over many k's as well. (loaded with other Land Rovers usually):D

[Scallops]

how many and what type of klms?

52,000km - Off road (full on) 10%, Off road (touring - 50%) Road touring (30%), Commuting (10%).

And I always drive with care - Zen even, changing gears etc. :angel:

I'm a Land Rover guy - but because I'm surrounded by LR people and see many different examples,
I must say, being truthful, that I do understand why they have their reputation. They are quirky
- if not simply unreliable, compared to jap vehicles.

[Scallops]

strewth Dan, what a list,lets hope this is the last problem :eek:

So do I, Mr G - but throughout my entire ownership of this vehicle, we have lurched from one issue to the next. I was actually thinking, driving to work yesterday, "Hey - Grover has been all good for what, 4 weeks now"....

Only to find, on my departure that evening, steering fluid leaking all over the bash plate. :mad:

I love Grover dearly - defend him against all (and there are plenty) of friends, family and colleagues
that lampoon him - but the reality is - they are right. And thinking about this here right now - I can count
3 different LR vehicles owned by people who have helped me with Matilda that have broken down in the last few weeks.

We are all mad! :blink::ohyes:

[solmanic]

You do realise that Grover is just protesting the lack of attention he's getting because of that tow-truck whore, Matilda. :p
They have feelings you know.

[PAT303]

Pat I'd hate to disagree with you but I own one. The seating position is no more uncomforable than the defenders position that we all defend here on this site. (Infact mine is nicer as I have Stratos seats in him:D)
And as for acceleration. It has a 6.2L V8 coupled with a VERY low ratio gear box and transfer case therefore huge torque and quite decent acceleration. Up to about 60kph after that yes a a small fluffy dog can run faster. I know for a fact that I can't leave my Puma in a great cloud of desiel smoke from a standing start. :burnrubber:

They are an awesome vehicle and have earnt an unfare reputation because of so many idiots in bling civilian vehicles trying to look too cool for school.

Cheers,

Yours must be different to the one I spent a day in.It was a slug that could not keep up with traffic.As for the seating I sat straight ahead but my feet pointed to the right to get to the pedals and getting out the door didn't open enough and you had to bend your knee's first and swing out.This was 15 years ago so maybe they have changed.As far as being as good as a puma we'll agree to disagree,unless yours is a updated model. Pat