LR D4 Problems

[Celtoid]

Hi All,

I'm new to the forum so I hope I get it right.

Just recently bought a 2009 D4 SE 3.0 TD with a few extras.

I love the truck.....looks great, drives unbelievably well off and on road and the engine rocks.

However, within a few months I've had three broken light fittings, which I'm assuming were damaged on assembly and I'm waiting for a compressor for the air suspension....which is very temperamental. I've also had an annoying vibration/rattle from the engine area at idle or when coming to a halt. LR mucked with an induction hose which appears to have reduced the frequency and severity of this vibration but hasn't stopped it completely.

Anybody else had the lights falling off, suspension or vibration/noise issues with their D4?

I also have a question for anybody on the front light cluster too.....I cannot see a change in the Xenon light when I select hi-beam...only the Halogen coming on. LR here in Brisbane recon that the Bi-Xenon is not on my vehicle. There also appears to be static cornering lamps which I cannot get to come on at any speed or wheel angle. Once again LR recon that they are false blanks. Any ideas?

Anyway, I'm hoping the faults are just teething problems and LR are not BS'ing me about the lights.

I'm looking for feedback from other owners.

Thanks.

[waz]

There also appears to be static cornering lamps which I cannot get to come on at any speed or wheel angle.

Hi and welcome.

Sorry to hear about your problems. Don't know much about your other stuff as I have a D2, but do they come on with the indicator? I saw these for the first time on another car about a week ago.

Waz

[AnD3rew]

If you search through the forum you will find a few threads discussing the lighting (not so much falling apsrt but certainly adjustment issues) and also some issues with raising and lowering the suspension

[Disco4SE]

Hi Celtoid,
I have the exact same vehicle and not experienced any of these problems. Mine doesn't have the cornering headlights. Not sure whether it is meant to or not. I certainly didn't order them as an extra.

Love mine and enjoy driving it every day

Cheers, Craig

[mowog]

I also have a trouble free D4 SE...

I thought the cornering lamps were a HSE item. My SE does not have them.

[Graeme]

The Oz spec SE is supposed to have bi-xenons. When looking at the outer headlight, can you see something looking like a magnifying glass (the bi-xenon lense) or do you see a halogen globe? Does the low beam flash brightly when first switched-on? Bi-xenons flash but halogens don't. Do you have the fancy LED front parker lights? LEDs are only fitted to bi-xenon assemblies.

[Celtoid]

Hi and welcome.

Sorry to hear about your problems. Don't know much about your other stuff as I have a D2, but do they come on with the indicator? I saw these for the first time on another car about a week ago.

Waz

Thanks Waz....not sure if I've mis-interpreted the manual, as it mentions an Adaptive Front Lighting System which consists of Moving Headlights and Static Bending Lights. It also mentions Cornering Lamps (which is what you are refering to I think, which work off the blinker). I've driven up and down a campsite in the dark with a mate of mine outside and regardless of what I did, these lights did not illuminate. I think the HSE has the adaptive kit, maybe I got it wrong and this consists of all parts....Moving, static bending and cornering.

As I said, I'm standing in the LR carpark pointing to what appears to be a light right under the blinker....it looks like a bulb and has a huge reflector....being told that it's a blank and isn't wired up. Maybe he's right and that would be part of the HSE kit.

Regards,

Celtoid

[Celtoid]

I also have a trouble free D4 SE...

I thought the cornering lamps were a HSE item. My SE does not have them.

Thanks,

I'm thinking I've mis-interpreted the manual, as it mentions an Adaptive Front Lighting System which consists of Moving Headlights and Static Bending Lights. It also mentions Cornering Lamps (which is what Waz was refering to I think, which work off the blinker). I've driven up and down a campsite in the dark with a mate of mine outside and regardless of what I did, these lights did not illuminate. I think the HSE has the adaptive kit, maybe I got it wrong and this consists of all parts....Moving, static bending and cornering.

As I said, I'm standing in the LR carpark pointing to what appears to be a light right under the blinker....it looks like a bulb and has a huge reflector....being told that it's a blank and isn't wired up. Maybe he's right and that would be part of the HSE kit.

Regards,

Celtoid

[Celtoid]

Hi Celtoid,
I have the exact same vehicle and not experienced any of these problems. Mine doesn't have the cornering headlights. Not sure whether it is meant to or not. I certainly didn't order them as an extra.

Love mine and enjoy driving it every day

Cheers, Craig

Thanks Craig and MOWOG,

As I said I love the car and am hoping it's just a glitch. I'm encouraged by your reliabilty comments.

Regards,

Celtoid.

[Celtoid]

The Oz spec SE is supposed to have bi-xenons. When looking at the outer headlight, can you see something looking like a magnifying glass (the bi-xenon lense) or do you see a halogen globe? Does the low beam flash brightly when first switched-on? Bi-xenons flash but halogens don't. Do you have the fancy LED front parker lights? LEDs are only fitted to bi-xenon assemblies.

Hi Graeme,

Yup definately got Xenon and Halogen and the LEDs. Big flash when I switch on the lights (really obvious in my garage), I just can't make out any difference when I select hi-beam. The Halogen (fillers...I think the handbook calls them) come on but I can't make out any change in the xenon lights. Maybe it isn't obvious but I expected an increase in intensity and/or angle change.

And Mr Land Rover told me the spec is wrong and there are only xenon low beams. Dunno.....I'm confused! :confused:

Thanks.

Regards,

Celtoid.

[Graeme]

They're called bi-xenons because they work both as low and high beam. Low beam uses a shield that provides the usual low-beam cut-off but on high beam the shield moves out of the way. Watch the cut-off in the middle on low beam then switch to high beam.

Does your halogen high beam shine (fill in) on the same plane as the bi-xenons or is the halogen beam significantly higher than the bi-xenons? It seems that some halogens shine on the same plane yet others are used to spot possums high in the trees.

[Beamin]

The xenons on high beam should create a clean white and narrow spot beam down the middle of the road, which is quite easy to pick although the low beam pattern of the xenon also stays in place when high beam comes on. Easiest way to test it would be to hang a couple of towels or similar in front of the halogen lenses to block them off and then watch what the xenons produce on their own without the halogen effect. From the description you've given it sounds like you might have a problem with both xenons, which suggests perhaps a common switch or fuse controlling the xenon high beam.

[Celtoid]

They're called bi-xenons because they work both as low and high beam. Low beam uses a shield that provides the usual low-beam cut-off but on high beam the shield moves out of the way. Watch the cut-off in the middle on low beam then switch to high beam.

Does your halogen high beam shine (fill in) on the same plane as the bi-xenons or is the halogen beam significantly higher than the bi-xenons? It seems that some halogens shine on the same plane yet others are used to spot possums high in the trees.

Hi Graeme, Yeah I'd read about the shutters on the light but I just couldn't tell if they were doing what they should be doing...they are pretty bright to look at. However, I've managed to position the car shining the lights against my garage door and they appear to be fine...there is a change in the xenon. I don't know what the idiot at LR was going on about then...maybe he thought I meant two seperate xenon lights? :confused:

You're right on the Halogen front though. They are definately illuminating way too much foliage. I'll look at your other thread you have on adjustment but I'm assuming it's LRs problem?!

[Celtoid]

D4 is in today getting it's suspension compressor replaced.

I hope that's the end of its 'moodyness'

:)

[Celtoid]

D4 Suspension Compressor replaced....so far so good.

The most obvious difference is the fact that the nose comes up straight away. The D4 used to come up bum first which was always a sign that it was going to be tempermental!

Now, if LR could just get that puddle lamp I've been waiting over a month for, I'd be happy....:)

[Graeme]

D4 Suspension Compressor replaced..
The most obvious difference is the fact that the nose comes up straight away. The D4 used to come up bum first which was always a sign that it was going to be tempermental!
That's what mine does all the time. I thought it was normal.

[Celtoid]

That's what mine does all the time. I thought it was normal.

Couldn't tell you Graeme, and could never get a straight answer out of LR as to what was normal and how long it should take to get from standard to offroad.....my best was probably 2 - 3 seconds. I suspect normal is around 5 secs...depending on temp and usage I suppose (as in how full is the accumulator).

If mine came up butt first (really obviously butt first), I knew the front was going to struggle....which in the end culminated in hanging between selections for up to 5 minutes, a couple of complete failures and multiple overheat warnings (even when stone cold).

If yours is working fine, normal operation probably isn't restricted to any particular sequence. Mine probably still is coming up butt first but now the front lifts quickly after it (less than a second). Before, the ass came up and then the front really struggled.....on a bad day.

Cheers.

[roamer]

I was told that rear should come up first so as to not shine lights up at any on coming cars made sense to me .

However if I go up and down more than once it takes over 3 mins to go up second time (which makes it useless on the sand asit goes down at 50 km/h)
Dealer tried recalibration, new compressor, LRA tech were called and I was told that was with in spec for car, got letter from them to cover me latter, because obviously not right. Have been waiting for others to notice the fault so that some other dealer may put in the effort to fix it.
Cheers Ken

[Celtoid]

I was told that rear should come up first so as to not shine lights up at any on coming cars made sense to me .

However if I go up and down more than once it takes over 3 mins to go up second time (which makes it useless on the sand asit goes down at 50 km/h)
Dealer tried recalibration, new compressor, LRA tech were called and I was told that was with in spec for car, got letter from them to cover me latter, because obviously not right. Have been waiting for others to notice the fault so that some other dealer may put in the effort to fix it.
Cheers Ken

Yup, the sequence makes sense.

That's troubling on the timframe however....that is useless when going through varying terrain.

Is this on a D4?

[roamer]

Yes D4 3lt HSE, had D3 before wasn't like this, it would go up & down half a dozen times before slowing, but LRA say its within spec because some others do it as well. when the chq clears the service dries up :o:wasntme:
Cheers Ken

[gghaggis]

Surely they can't seriously try and tell you 3mins is normal for a suspension raise?? How is this time measured (from what setting to what setting)? The slowest you should get for an on-road to off-road rise (without a fault or warning message) would be in the region of 15 sec or so.

If you're getting a "Warning - suspension rising slowly" message, then perhaps it might be in the order of a couple of minutes.

Cheers,

Gordon

[roamer]

Surely they can't seriously try and tell you 3mins is normal for a suspension raise?? How is this time measured (from what setting to what setting)? The slowest you should get for an on-road to off-road rise (without a fault or warning message) would be in the region of 15 sec or so.

If you're getting a "Warning - suspension rising slowly" message, then perhaps it might be in the order of a couple of minutes.

Cheers,

Gordon


That's what he told me and he was serious:(
If I go from normal to access, then up to offroad, OK
Then if you go back to normal, then up to offroad takes 3 mins +(which happens when theres soft & hard sand, because of speed limiter)
Screen said "raising in progress" several times (on & off), sometimes compressor overheats "will raise when cool".
4x4 screen just shows "raising"
If car runs for 15min or so will rise once OK, then same problem.
LRA told me because other cars at dealership were the same thats how they are speced, when I said there are others that are OK ,told "only talking about yours and it's within spec :o " NOT HAPPY JAN"
Dealer tried recalibration, then new compressor, then rang LRA tech.
However same dealer just did Q093 & global close still no go! mmmm.
Cheers Ken

[Celtoid]

That's what he told me and he was serious:(
If I go from normal to access, then up to offroad, OK
Then if you go back to normal, then up to offroad takes 3 mins +(which happens when theres soft & hard sand, because of speed limiter)
Screen said "raising in progress" several times (on & off), sometimes compressor overheats "".
4x4 screen just shows "raising"
If car runs for 15min or so will rise once OK, then same problem.
LRA told me because other cars at dealership were the same thats how they are speced, when I said there are others that are OK ,told "only talking about yours and it's within spec :o " NOT HAPPY JAN"
Dealer tried recalibration, then new compressor, then rang LRA tech.
However same dealer just did Q093 & global close still no go! mmmm.
Cheers Ken

Mate, frustration, frustration, frustration. When you spend that much $ on a car, this sort of response is just BS. Don't want to sound like a snob but if you took the $ out of the guys own wallet, I'm sure he'd be a lot more receptive.

I had all the same problems and they talked about fault codes, etc. I'm an aircarft engineer of the electronics persuassion and I know how these things work in very general terms (as in BIT Codes)...however, they are limited to the range/placement of the sensors and the software that supports them. I'm not privvy to the LR diagnostics and have no idea whether the drier and compressor replacement (that was required in my car) is due to a fault code or just a basic fault finding process.

All things being equal, in a car that is touted as being the best, off the shelf, off roader, suspension that isn't reacting within seconds is just not on.

Tell them to fix it or replace the car.

"I've several other cars in the yard that mis-fire and leak oil, so that must be normal"....which is pretty much what they are saying.....Land Rover, wake-up!!!

[roamer]

That's what he told me and he was serious:(
If I go from normal to access, then up to offroad, OK
Then if you go back to normal, then up to offroad takes 3 mins +(which happens when theres soft & hard sand, because of speed limiter)
Screen said "raising in progress" several times (on & off), sometimes compressor overheats "will raise when cool".
4x4 screen just shows "raising"
If car runs for 15min or so will rise once OK, then same problem.
LRA told me because other cars at dealership were the same thats how they are speced, when I said there are others that are OK ,told "only talking about yours and it's within spec :o " NOT HAPPY JAN"
Dealer tried recalibration, then new compressor, then rang LRA tech.
However same dealer just did Q093 & global close still no go! mmmm.
Cheers Ken

And now they overfilled oil, and it's leaking out,what else can they **** up

[Celtoid]

That's what he told me and he was serious:(
If I go from normal to access, then up to offroad, OK
Then if you go back to normal, then up to offroad takes 3 mins +(which happens when theres soft & hard sand, because of speed limiter)
Screen said "raising in progress" several times (on & off), sometimes compressor overheats "will raise when cool".
4x4 screen just shows "raising"
If car runs for 15min or so will rise once OK, then same problem.
LRA told me because other cars at dealership were the same thats how they are speced, when I said there are others that are OK ,told "only talking about yours and it's within spec :o " NOT HAPPY JAN"
Dealer tried recalibration, then new compressor, then rang LRA tech.
However same dealer just did Q093 & global close still no go! mmmm.
Cheers Ken

Hey Roamer, I was thinking about this a bit more. Have you talked to consumer affairs or one of those fair trading departments? An item is required by law to be fit for purpose when sold. I doubt LR could argue that 3 minutes to extend the suspension is fit for purpose in an off road situation. The fact that "they have others in the yard that are the same" just means they have more than one car that is not 'fit for purpose'

Good luck mate. :)