Puma HELP!!!

[machine]

I have a 2009 Defender 110.
It is 14 months old and has done about 36000 kM.

I have had a lot of ongoing problems with it.
It seems to be in the dealers being repaired more often than not.

My main concern is that once the warranty has expired, I will be spending a fortune to keep it on the road.


Since new, there has always been a noise and shudder when doing speeds above 90 kM/hr and the motor is neither accelerating nor decelerating, but just coasting along. This is while it is in gear with the clutch released. I have been told that this is when the car is in float.
The noise is a hollow grinding noise. I have had the mechanic detect it whilst on a test run with me. After many repairs I have been told that this is normal...
I think they are saying this as they all know me on a first name basis from the number of times I have had the car in for repairs.


The other major problem is that;

The gear box has become very rough. It cluncks and grinds when gears are changed. this happens at any speed, using any gear, gearing up and down.
The car never did this when I test drove it and for the first 8 months of my owning it. it seeems to have developed after the front diff failed and was replaced.
The service department of where I get my car repaired is now saying that this is normal and tha clunking and grinding is from the drive and running gear wind up. It seems strange!!!


The third problem is;

The air conditioner. This worked perfectly for the first 8 months or so. It started playing up by freezing up. It worked normally for about 10 minuted and then it would become very cold then it would blow out a fog. When it did this, the air became warm and the volume of air that came out was dramatically reduced.
After bringing the car in for this problem 6 times without fixing it, they finally did something to it that has stopped this but now it does not blow cold air out. It only cools the air slightly.

As well as this, there has been leaks from 2 different seals that have leaked fluid onto the hand brake drum. I was told that these seals will always leak as there is a lot of travel in the parts that the seals are "sealing".

I have sent emails to LR Australia about these matters, but they are not answering my questions and are avoiding any commitments.


So far there are numerous parts that have been repaired and replaced, including;

front diff
rear diff
drive shafts
uni or spider joints
clutch, twice
seals, several
turbo pipe
front lights wiring
air con bits?
After all of this whining, considering the age of my car. my questions to Puma owners and others are:
Is clunking and grinding of gears normal?
Is the float noise normal?
Is the air conditioner not working, normal?
Is it normal for the seals to leak and to have to replace them every year to prevent this?
I am frustrated and angry at the failures and breakdowns I have experienced so far.

I am considering going to the Office Of Fair Trading as I think that I have been sold a dud!!!

Any and all constructive comment are most welcomed.
I do love my Defender and have spent a fortune in putting on all the accessories that i could think of, but what should I do?

Thank you for your comments!!!

Alex.:mad:

[Scallops]

Hey Alex,

One thing you can do is get 3 more years of warranty. My advice is find a dealer, and it can be any dealer in Australia, who offers the allianz extended factory warranty and take it out - costs about $2400.00. You simply need to purchase this before your initial warranty runs out. You might consider buying it right now, as prices will go up over time. PM me and I can tell you where this is available.

As for your problems - the gearbox issue is the synchro - this is a warranty job so get it done. With mine, LR Australia couldn't get hold of special tool so after 4 weeks of keeping me waiting I demanded my vehicle be finished - so they replaced the entire gearbox. There have been 2 updated boxes since 2007 - so I now have a 2010 version and it's perfect now.

The AC issue is also a known fault and a warranty job - send Solmanic (on this forum) a PM and he can advise you.

As for the rest (and the above) - I advice you to take your vehicle to a Land Rover Specialist (MR Automotive, Redcliffe) for it's next service (or just take it there now) - when they do this service, ask them about all your concerns and get them to put a report in writing. Then you take that to the dealer to begin getting it sorted out. This is where I go for all my service work and they are brilliant. The dealers only seem to be able to fix stuff once MR give them a head up. The other good thing about the Allianz warranty is that MR are authorised to do all the work so you can bypass the dealers all together, if you choose, once your initial 3 years is done.

MR are really very good, and it is a widely held position here on this forum that they are the only people to take a LR to in Brisbane, along with Rick's on the GC. They won't bull**** you - they'll tell you exactly what is normal, what isn't, what is acceptable and what isn't.

Good luck, mate. I'm sure you'll get it all fixed up - it's a "over 3 or so year" thing getting these trucks fully up and running, at last in some cases. :)

[Captain_Rightfoot]

This saddens me to read :(

All those issues sound fixable - I can't explain why they haven't fixed them to date.

I agree with Scallops - that it might help to get MR to do a comprehensive check of the vehicle.

I didn't have a lot of luck with the dealers in Brisbane. They seemed to break as many things as they fixed, and usually I was the one that had to actually fix the thing afterwards. Oh well. I'm really not sure why... whether they are being pushed too hard by either LR or the management or both..

Anyway, ours is now 5 years old, and I'm about to go and pick it up from MR now after it's pre-trip service and check. They are certainly pretty good.

What you are suffering from are issues that were built into the car. You need to get the issues fixed by the dealer and once that is done you'll find they are quite reasonable to run on costs.

[scarry]

As said,sad to hear of your probs,you have good advice on previous posts.

As for MR,in my opinion the only place to go,i have two booked in next week.
And i am VERY fussy as to who works on my vehicles

[dullbird]

as for your aircon blowing cool air

what you described with the aircon is exactly what happened to ours..went in 3 times to be fixed they reckon its fine now but it doesn't work like it did when we first got it..the volume of air seems poor and your lucky if the air reaches you at the drivers seat.

sometimes I put my had up to the vent and I cant feel the air coming out as little as 10inches away and even when turning the fan up just seems to make more noise rather then push more air. I have learned to live with it as I was stick of being told it was normal.

I have 5 months left with my warranty and I would be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about this. Stick with it though get some extended warranty. I'm positive once all my issues are sorted my Puma will be an awesome vehicle. more so then it is now. Sometimes and very much in my case the issues wouldn't of seemed half as bad if I had competent people fixing it.

Your list is only half what has been done to mine so I guess I got the Monday morning hang over car and you got the Friday arvo I want to go to the pub car :lol2:

Look at it this way someone's got to own them :D

[machine]

Hi,

Thank you for replying. Your assurance and sugestions have helped me out.
I will pursue these issues with LR Australia.
I will also go to MR and get them to look at my car to see what they think.

It is good to have great support through AULRO.
I was about to give up on the whole idea of having my car fixed and running right.

It is also a comfort to see others have had the same issues but have managed to get them sorted.

I just want to enjoy my Machine and have it so that I can rely on its performance.

Cheers, Machine...

[PAT303]

Mate I had the same issue's when my Tdi was new,it would come back from the dealers in worse condition than before.I went straight to head office and didn't leave till I was satisfied with thier response.You bought a new vehicle,not a flogged out bomb. Pat

[scarry]

it would come back from the dealers in worse condition than before Pat

Had this problem as well with D2's,so was a few years ago now,but is VERY frustrating.Sons Puma has not had many issues,so haven't been to the dealers very often lately.

What i can't work out is why i have never had this problem from other dealers of different manufacturers.I have run a fleet of Mitsy & tojo vans for 20yrs,& never,ever, had an issue with workmanship by the dealers mechanics.

As for warranty repairs,i found LR were excellent at trying to rectify any problems,even if they were let down by the mechanics in their workshop.They would also try to help if there was a problem & the vehicle was just out of warranty.
As for the jap manufacturers,they would try & get out of fixing anything & if there was a problem with a vehicle just out of warranty,they wouldn't have any interest at all of helping with the issue.Luckily,we have had very few issues.

[PAT303]

All dealers are the same,I had nothing but trouble with toyota mechanics and worse had supervisers lie to my face,they all pay peanuts so get monkeys. Pat

[jake]

G'day Everyone,

Took a Puma for a test drive and was certainly impressed. It is really sad though that their have been quite a few issues on these. Yeah I know its part of living with a Defender in general but I think their comes a point as to what is acceptable problems and whats unacceptable. Obivoulsy their is a question on Quality Assurance. LR has been good with a lot of the warranty issues as members have stated. But looking at the list of things that have gone wrong is quite alarming.
As all the glossy brochure state this car is designed to go most anywhere and be reliable. Now for those who have had a list of major issues it would be quite stressful trying to plan a remote trip with the worry of all these problems or perveived problems occuring. Its great to hear the good posts on those that have had little problems but it seems those with major issues far out weigh the other.
As a person that is currently at the research stage to look at up grading it is certainly cause for concern.

Jake

[dullbird]

G'day Everyone,

Took a Puma for a test drive and was certainly impressed. It is really sad though that their have been quite a few issues on these. Yeah I know its part of living with a Defender in general but I think their comes a point as to what is acceptable problems and whats unacceptable. Obivoulsy their is a question on Quality Assurance. LR has been good with a lot of the warranty issues as members have stated. But looking at the list of things that have gone wrong is quite alarming.
As all the glossy brochure state this car is designed to go most anywhere and be reliable. Now for those who have had a list of major issues it would be quite stressful trying to plan a remote trip with the worry of all these problems or perveived problems occuring. Its great to hear the good posts on those that have had little problems but it seems those with major issues far out weigh the other.
As a person that is currently at the research stage to look at up grading it is certainly cause for concern.

Jake


Hi Jake

In regards to the remote and reliability I have taken mine remote and I will again next year...

despite my cars issues that it has had, it has never left me stranded:)

A lot of problems you will see are often with either an early car (like mine) or the service centre themselves not servicing and fixing the car adequately

[chumpion]

I have a 2009 Defender 110.
It is 14 months old and has done about 36000 kM.

I have had a lot of ongoing problems with it.
It seems to be in the dealers being repaired more often than not.

My main concern is that once the warranty has expired, I will be spending a fortune to keep it on the road.


Since new, there has always been a noise and shudder when doing speeds above 90 kM/hr and the motor is neither accelerating nor decelerating, but just coasting along. This is while it is in gear with the clutch released. I have been told that this is when the car is in float.
The noise is a hollow grinding noise. I have had the mechanic detect it whilst on a test run with me. After many repairs I have been told that this is normal...
I think they are saying this as they all know me on a first name basis from the number of times I have had the car in for repairs.

Alex.:mad:

Hi Alex - I had that on my Defender, but it is fixed now. It took just under 8 weeks, and an entire new Differential assembly, a new transfer case, and then a new Diff centre, but now it drives like a car. There is no whine from the diff, and there doesn't seem to be any free play (ie - float) in the transmission at all.

It is a different vehicle now, and a joy to drive.

So next time you go in there, tell them when they are talking to Landrover to mention the 09 Puma that was fixed in Trivett Parramatta for the past 8 weeks. They'll know what you are talking about..... he he.

Cheers,

Chris

[dullbird]

Hi Alex - I had that on my Defender, but it is fixed now. It took just under 8 weeks, and an entire new Differential assembly, a new transfer case, and then a new Diff centre, but now it drives like a car. There is no whine from the diff, and there doesn't seem to be any free play (ie - float) in the transmission at all.

It is a different vehicle now, and a joy to drive.

So next time you go in there, tell them when they are talking to Landrover to mention the 09 Puma that was fixed in Trivett Parramatta for the past 8 weeks.
They'll know what you are talking about..... he he.

Cheers,

Chris

will they or will they go which one:D the green or the silver mine almost classes as an 09 now

[chumpion]

will they or will they go which one:D the green or the silver mine almost classes as an 09 now

Lol - good point. Mine was the grey one.

[dcale]

Alex,

I also have an 09 Defender and have been putting up with a knocking since new. To solve the problem they have replaced the front and back diff then they were going to do the transfer case, until i insisted that they look at the handbrake which they were very reluctant to do and to there surprise the drum was not round. But getting back to my point when they replaced my rear diff it had a whine at 67Km/h i reported this the day i got the car back and have mentioned it for the last 4 months. Every time telling me that it was normal. I even had various talks to the head mechanic. So last week I rang them and said that i am unhappy and that there are two things that will make me happy 1) they replace the diff 2) they put it in writing that my diff is performing with in spec. The reply from the service person was "would you like me to order you a new diff" and that was it. I don't understand why they refuse to help and do as little as they can to help. In short ask them to put it in writing if they say it is normal.

[dullbird]

Whinning diffs are not normal.

[patclan]

Whinning diffs are not normal.


I get a whining noise on the motorway when I take my foot of the accelerator as soon as I put it back on it goes away, it sounds like it comes from the Diff, I mentioned it to LR and was told it is nothing to worry about, I will tell them to fix it when its next in to the dealer.

I also get a knocking noise when I slow down to a stop, this is becoming more frequent, I wonder if this is connected.

It also crunches in 2nd and 3rd gear and gives a real bang sometimes, some days it is good and other days no matter how gentle you are with it is still crunches.

It goes in a couple of weeks to get a few things done and its 30k service.

New sensor to stop the air con freezing,
New clutch pedal so stop it squeaking
New clock as the light has gone out.

I will add these things to my list to get checked.

[dullbird]

I get a whining noise on the motorway when I take my foot of the accelerator as soon as I put it back on it goes away, it sounds like it comes from the Diff, I mentioned it to LR and was told it is nothing to worry about, I will tell them to fix it when its next in to the dealer.



I also get a knocking noise when I slow down to a stop, this is becoming more frequent, I wonder if this is connected.


It also crunches in 2nd and 3rd gear and gives a real bang sometimes, some days it is good and other days no matter how gentle you are with it is still crunches.

It goes in a couple of weeks to get a few things done and its 30k service.

New sensor to stop the air con freezing,
New clutch pedal so stop it squeaking
New clock as the light has gone out.

I will add these things to my list to get checked.

The knocking will be your handbrake dragging does it do it after a long run as your slowing down to stop at lights on a slip road, that sort of thing?

Mine has had this happen and it has just started again.

I actually have a video of the noise I will see if I can upload it so you can tell me whether its the same:)

the gear changes i had this also but when the clutch was done it improved the chages HEAPS!

[patclan]

The knocking will be your handbrake dragging does it do it after a long run as your slowing down to stop at lights on a slip road, that sort of thing?

Mine has had this happen and it has just started again.

I actually have a video of the noise I will see if I can upload it so you can tell me whether its the same:)

the gear changes i had this also but when the clutch was done it improved the changes HEAPS!


That's exactly when it does it, usually after the drive from Brissy to the coast and I get off the motorway. Someone mentioned before it could be the handbrake but LR could not replicate it, I will give them another bash when it is in and suggest the hand break this time.

Thanks.

[deezilfither]

:eek:What the bloody hell is LR doing? I have a 1995 110 defender with 185k and hasn't let me down. In saying this I spent $9000+ on the ute, but guess what . With PM it has {touch wood ] never let me down. It is my work vehicle and do large KMs.

I have just purchased a "Puma 2010 130 twin cab..Sitting in the shed waiting for a tray to be built,at least another 3-4 weeks for the tray.

I also have a Series 1 Disco with 110k and to date has never let me down. This was purchased new in 1996,brillant little car,great fuel economy.

Believe you me if this new LR gives me grief LR Australia won't know what hit them, I depend on this vehicle to earn income, so drive train issues had bettewr not be an issue!!

You would think 15yrs down the track, vehicle reliability would improve??
Time will tell, but this new vehicle is going to be closely monitored by many onlookers. As many of my peers are 'Rice Burner' owners

[Scallops]

:eek:What the bloody hell is LR doing? I have a 1995 110 defender with 185k and hasn't let me down. In saying this I spent $9000+ on the ute, but guess what . With PM it has {touch wood ] never let me down. It is my work vehicle and do large KMs.

I have just purchased a "Puma 2010 130 twin cab..Sitting in the shed waiting for a tray to be built,at least another 3-4 weeks for the tray.

I also have a Series 1 Disco with 110k and to date has never let me down. This was purchased new in 1996,brillant little car,great fuel economy.

Believe you me if this new LR gives me grief LR Australia won't know what hit them, I depend on this vehicle to earn income, so drive train issues had bettewr not be an issue!!

You would think 15yrs down the track, vehicle reliability would improve??
Time will tell, but this new vehicle is going to be closely monitored by many onlookers. As many of my peers are 'Rice Burner' owners

I reckon you'll be fine - many of the guys with new (as in, 2010) Defys are happy and issue free - so just run it in carefully and enjoy it - don't go looking for issues! :)

[dullbird]

Here you are have a listen to this...this is how my handbrake draggin sounded the first time.

MOV00126.flv video by dullbird - Photobucket


and this is how it sounds this time....I'm pretty sure its the handbrake again as it happens the same as it did last time however the banging is different, but will give you an idea.

http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa212/dullbird/?action=view&current=MOV00173.mp4


Hope that helps you pin point your noise :)

[deezilfither]

Scallops ole mate, not looking for issues but time will tell regarding the 'New Defender''this isn't a show pony, it has been purchased on the merits of previous LR vehicles [x 4 models of various year/makes]. Which I have to say have been reliable. Proof will be in the pudding, certainly can not make any comment yet as only done 12kms [twelve kms].

I was most interested in the Drive train issues , the old girl I have now has had to have a G/box overhaul due to a lube issue on the main shaft. But guess what, in 2010 I really don't wish to have these issues again -if any!!

Safe motoring:p

[Scallops]

Scallops ole mate, not looking for issues but time will tell regarding the 'New Defender''this isn't a show pony, it has been purchased on the merits of previous LR vehicles [x 4 models of various year/makes]. Which I have to say have been reliable. Proof will be in the pudding, certainly can not make any comment yet as only done 12kms [twelve kms].

I was most interested in the Drive train issues , the old girl I have now has had to have a G/box overhaul due to a lube issue on the main shaft. But guess what, in 2010 I really don't wish to have these issues again -if any!!

Safe motoring:p

I'm hearing you! :) My Puma hasn't been too good - but I have the first one in Oz. Many new owners have let me know their's are trouble free. Good luck with yours.

[ryzakbyron]

Hi I've got on 08 Defender 110.
I've just taken it up Cape York on the telegraph track towing a camper trailer.
We were coasting along nicely in low range 4th on a level but rutted track and bang! bang! clunck! : the front diff failed. We were in the middle of nowhere and I could not get any drive to the wheels unless I engaged the centre diff lock. So we limped along at 20km/hr through several creek crossings to make it to a bypass rd.
We got hold of land rover assistance on the Sat Phone and they eventually got us back to Cairns on the barge.
Was really disappointing. It has been a meticulously looked after vehicle with only 15K on the clock and let me down. Quite embarrassing actually as all the other 4wds were passing me with my hazard lights on.

In Cairns Land Rover found the front diff had been completely mangled. The prop shafts/ CV joint were OK.
They are still fixing it now.

Have also had the same air con problems people mention with freezing over. They have not been able to fix it and we have to turn the air con off every 10 minutes to defrost.

I love my defender and have spent a fortune on it. I hope nothing else goes wrong. Really worries you when you take your family out in remote areas.

I talked to a Land Rover mechanic in Tassy. He said he has seen some of the new defenders not having any oil in the diffs from the factory!

[pc3]

Hi I've got on 08 Defender 110.
I've just taken it up Cape York on the telegraph track towing a camper trailer.
We were coasting along nicely in low range 4th on a level but rutted track and bang! bang! clunck! : the front diff failed. We were in the middle of nowhere and I could not get any drive to the wheels unless I engaged the centre diff lock. So we limped along at 20km/hr through several creek crossings to make it to a bypass rd.
We got hold of land rover assistance on the Sat Phone and they eventually got us back to Cairns on the barge.
Was really disappointing. It has been a meticulously looked after vehicle with only 15K on the clock and let me down. Quite embarrassing actually as all the other 4wds were passing me with my hazard lights on.

In Cairns Land Rover found the front diff had been completely mangled. The prop shafts/ CV joint were OK.
They are still fixing it now.

Have also had the same air con problems people mention with freezing over. They have not been able to fix it and we have to turn the air con off every 10 minutes to defrost.

I love my defender and have spent a fortune on it. I hope nothing else goes wrong. Really worries you when you take your family out in remote areas.

I talked to a Land Rover mechanic in Tassy. He said he has seen some of the new defenders not having any oil in the diffs from the factory!

What was the reason given for why she blew ?
Every day I read about another PUMA horror story......my First remote trip in mine will be SW QLD in October. It Must cost LR a fortune for all these claims......would have been much simplereto get it right at the factory before release.

[DeeJay]

Reading posts like these raises a valid question in my mind,
Q: If the vehicle has a 3 year warranty & spends 3 months "laid up" is the warranty extended for another 3 months? ( or whatever period)
Anybody asked this of a dealer?

[Naks]

Q: If the vehicle has a 3 year warranty & spends 3 months "laid up" is the warranty extended for another 3 months? ( or whatever period)


Nope, warranty is activated from the day you sign the papers taking delivery of the vehicle. In SA at least.

[George130]

Nope, warranty is activated from the day you sign the papers taking delivery of the vehicle. In SA at least.

Read at work today that according to the department of fair trading that the warrantie is extended for the length of time it is with the dealer for warranty work. Manufacturers wont acnowledge it till they aare made to though.

[justinc]

Hi I've got on 08 Defender 110.
I've just taken it up Cape York on the telegraph track towing a camper trailer.
We were coasting along nicely in low range 4th on a level but rutted track and bang! bang! clunck! : the front diff failed. We were in the middle of nowhere and I could not get any drive to the wheels unless I engaged the centre diff lock. So we limped along at 20km/hr through several creek crossings to make it to a bypass rd.
We got hold of land rover assistance on the Sat Phone and they eventually got us back to Cairns on the barge.
Was really disappointing. It has been a meticulously looked after vehicle with only 15K on the clock and let me down. Quite embarrassing actually as all the other 4wds were passing me with my hazard lights on.

In Cairns Land Rover found the front diff had been completely mangled. The prop shafts/ CV joint were OK.
They are still fixing it now.

Have also had the same air con problems people mention with freezing over. They have not been able to fix it and we have to turn the air con off every 10 minutes to defrost.

I love my defender and have spent a fortune on it. I hope nothing else goes wrong. Really worries you when you take your family out in remote areas.

I talked to a Land Rover mechanic in Tassy. He said he has seen some of the new defenders not having any oil in the diffs from the factory!

:eek: Actually I mentioned the REAR diff failures/ noises I have encountered, and a few with alarmingly low oil levels from new, Haven't heard of a front diff failure before now in the new ones yet, especially at 15K. But glad you were able to get back with care assist. What a nightmare! Still, nice place to get stuck:):mad: Very disappointing:mad:
Hope Mick didn't give you too much of a hard time about it:p Go the Tdi!

JC

[dcale]

Here you are have a listen to this...this is how my handbrake draggin sounded the first time.

MOV00126.flv video by dullbird - Photobucket (http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa212/dullbird/?action=view&current=MOV00126.flv)


and this is how it sounds this time....I'm pretty sure its the handbrake again as it happens the same as it did last time however the banging is different, but will give you an idea.

MOV00173.mp4 video by dullbird - Photobucket (http://s200.photobucket.com/albums/aa212/dullbird/?action=view&current=MOV00173.mp4)


Hope that helps you pin point your noise :)
Dullbird,

This is exactly what mine has been doing since new and it is now over a year old. LR have tried to fix it, they have replaced my front and back diff and just recently the hand brake but if anything it has got worse. If you have solved this problem could you please let me know so I can tell the LR mechanics as I am getting really &&*( with them as they seam to have no idea. Any info would help.

Regards

[dullbird]

Hey mate

My defender is in its second home trying to get it all sorted....if e get it sorted I will certainly let you know what they did.

[patclan]

Just got mine back from the dealer, my10 6 months old, it went in for 2-3 days and they had it 8, I dont mind at all as long as there is progress on the issues, and I got to drive around in a freelander, felt like a toy but was a nice one, heated seats were great, I digress though.

I have the same noise as you and reported it and they have come back and said the rear diff needs replaced, there is seemingly none available though, must be a lot of them getting replaced, none in the UK either he said.

Not sure what that means for my deefer and if I can go off road or should even risk it. I am hoping it has been correctly diagnosed and it is not just the handbreak issue my I have to trust they know what they are doing.

It went in for its 30k service and:

replacement clock - no light
replacement clutch box - very squeaky
the clunking noise - diagnosed faulty diff
aircon going warm - replaced the de-icing switch
Clunking/ banging when gear change - no fault found
window wipers clunking on return - hard wiper blades so they replaced them at a charge, $52 - dont mind as I like new wipers but think they should last more than 6 months.

And while they were at it they found.

Swivel Balls Leaking - replaced swivel balls seals and gaskets, no idea what these are any one know?

Aircon Flaps inop - replaced A/C box (seemingly the bit thats changes from hot to cold air) again not to sure.

the Clunking is still there but it would be as there are no replacement diffs..

That said a good expierence with the dealer.

He still drives like a truck though, my arms were a bit sore the next day after getting back in him back, freelander turned me soft but I am over it now :)

Patrick

[portafilter]

Hey Patrick,
How was/is the clunking banging in the diff different to the gearbox? I have a rough 2nd to third gear change and LR has said it was normal as well! Is the diff noise distinctly from the rear?

[patclan]

Hey Patrick,
How was/is the clunking banging in the diff different to the gearbox? I have a rough 2nd to third gear change and LR has said it was normal as well! Is the diff noise distinctly from the rear?


Portafilter,

The gearbox noise is a crunch in first second and sometimes 3rd like you describe, I also get a bang or maybe a thud when it finaly ingages, so there are two noises, the crunch I think is from the gear box and the thud I believe is from the drive train somewhere.

The other noise sounded more like Dullbirds audio recording posted earlier, it is a cyclic noise more like a clunk clunk clunk, it seems to be speed related and I am sure it still goes when I have come to a stop for a few seconds but it is hard to tell, sometimes it is so loud people in the cars next to me look, and the defender actualy shakes. This is the one they seem to be addressing by diagnosing a rear diff issue, but it may fix the thud from the gear change also ( i am hoping)

The crunch in the gear change I will get them to look at again at the next service and I will have to go for a drive with them for them to hear it. it is really annoying, somedays the gears are great and some it does not matter how gentle you are it still crunches, and you can actulay feel the metal grind through the gear stick.

Hope that helps.

Patrick

[portafilter]

annoying, i actually brought mine second hand from LR in Port melbourne, i took it back and they said gear change is "normal" although it sounds exactly like you say sometimes it good sometimes its bad, it doesnt do it that bad now, maybe im used to finessing it, it seems to be ok if i can get it into neutral just before the clutch pedal stops moving, then ease it into the next gear. i do still get the thud as well when i let the clutch out too fast or with the wrong revs, but without the cyclic thing, will be keen to hear if the diff fixes the clunk,
thanks for replying.
justin