slipped liner

[milld]

Hi all.

Well I bought my first Rangie in Sydney the other day. Classic 93 vogue SE
Recon motor 5k ago, 254k's on the clock. Drove 1600km to Queensland. Used 6 litres of water :( Only after looking at all the service detail papers do I see a statement that says it has a slipped liner. What ****es me off is that the date is shortly after engine rebuild. One thing to note is that there is no overheating at all (unless temp gauge is wrong) And amazingly enough I got amazing fuel economy. Used exactly 110L of fuel to get to Brisi. (WTF) :eek:

Is it possible to get that one cylinder lining pinned? Or am I up for a new motor which is sad since it has recently been fully rebuilt? :confused:

[GuyG]

Welcome to the forum:)

Thats disappointing with a new purchase. I would think that the motor has been overheated in the past which might have contributed to it now having a slipped liner. Is there anyway of going back to the purchaser/engine builder regarding this issue? I believe it would be a waste of time & money to only do the one liner. Probably worth getting the cooling system pressure tested to confirm exactly where the water is leaking from.

My 3.9 had similar issues used massive amounts of water, temp gauge didn't overheat - the block had lost its hardness, so was a full rebuild.

Probably worth calling M R Automotive at Redcliffe who specialise in Land Rovers - 07 3284 6688

[abaddonxi]

Welcome, lots here to share your pain with slipped liners.

Check out this link -
JE Robison Service — the blog: The last word on Land Rover liner failures - I hope! (http://robisonservice.blogspot.com/2010/04/last-word-on-land-rover-liner-failures.html)

Cheers
Simon.

[The ho har's]

Welcome to you:D

no nothing about Rangies to help you:(

[Blknight.aus]

yes you can get just the one liner pinned, but in reality you wouldn't.

the amount of time an effort involved in getting the first one pinned you'd be a nut not to get the rest done at the same time. While its apart getting done get the heads checked and decked as the most common precursor to liner slippage is over heating followed by old age neither of these things are friendly to heads.

oh yeah


welcome to aulro.

[Landy Smurf]

welcome

[banjo]

G'day & welcome to the forum . . . . . . . .

[Ausfree]

Puts a bitter taste in your mouth, but anyway Welcome to the Forum!!!:):)

[milld]

thanks guys for the advice :)

If I took the block myself to get pinned, what would I expect to pay?
Such a pitty as the rest of the engine is pretty much new going by the invoices I saw.
Oil still like new after 1600km run. No high temp at all on trip. And I only used a bit over 180 litres of fuel for 1600km which to me is impossible. Maybe the water in cylinder helped my economy by increasing thermal expansion maybe?

[Blknight.aus]

assuming the slipping liner was diagnosed by noise alone...


given what youve just put on....


sure its not just a sticky tappet or rocker?

[milld]

assuming the slipping liner was diagnosed by noise alone...


given what youve just put on....


sure its not just a sticky tappet or rocker?


I looked at invoices and rebuild was done 06 and diagnosis of slipped liner done 07 by Davis Performance Landy's. They also did the rebuild. Wish I took the time to fully read all work done + compared dates before I bought.

Actually going by invoices rebuild was done at 240k Slipped liner reported at 247k it now has 255k. Looks like chemiweld has been put in everytime coolant changed. This would mean previous owner would have had to continually add coolant all the time or that chemiweld treatment worked to a certain degree. doesn't make sense. I can't even hear a real knock or anything. mmmmm. Does run a bit rough under load until engine is at full op temp. although give it enough revs and it clears up.

The link Simon put up was very interesting about liners and the head bolts.

[milld]

Well, I decided to check the water today, when I opened overflow I heard massive amounts of gurgling/bubbling for about 10 sec. I don't think I should have done that as when I tried to start it, it went clunk and nothing else. Checked battery- ok.

Well I realised by now what had happened, and my worst fears came true when I took off the first spark plug to the left (when facing motor front on) water on spark plug. Just for fun I disconnected spark to dizzy and turned her over. To my discust it spewed out coolent all over the place. All I can see now is $ signs. :(((((((((((((((

[steve_35]

Don't waste your money getting it fixed

There should be plenty of second hand bottom ends available here

[slug_burner]

top hat the liners/bores

[milld]

mmmm, well first I'll take the heads off, and see if it's really the liner. The motor is quite when running, maybe it's only the gasket and was diagnosed incorrectly? Just have to wait for another weekend with good weather. But if it is the liner, the next step would be to find a good 3.9 block. Top hat lining the old block sounds expensive.

What about fitting an earlier 3.5 efi motor? I heard these motors don't have liner problems and are quite good on fuel. Not very powerful though

cheers

Steve