D4 AS COMMON AS LC200 SOON

[Searover]

Gone and done it! just ordered D4 TDV6 SE Izmir blue with e/diff HDD NAV OFF-RD Mapping and upgraded audio system.

Not confirmed but dealer expects 6 months for delivery :o, which makes it December delivery 2010 compliance plate, if i want a 2011 compliance it could be a 9 to 10 month wait.

Whats going on with deliveries? is the the D4 now so sort after they will be as common as LC200 Toymotas in a couple of years :mad:

Cheers

Still here and waiting.

[Disco4SE]

Not sure what is going on Searover. Even places like tyre dealers are noticing the change from Landcruiser.
I know that my LR dealer is not complaining

[scarry]

Around town,i recon they are as common as each other,but in the country it is a one horse race.
Some people also can't put up with waiting 6 months for a vehicle either.

Anyway,good luck with the D4,whenever it eventually arrives:)

[Disco4SE]

Funny you should mention the country scarry.
Last year, my dealer sold 60 D3's to the Northern Territory police dept.

[scarry]

Funny you should mention the country scarry.
Last year, my dealer sold 60 D3's to the Northern Territory police dept.

Compared with how many tojo's?

[Disco4SE]

The NT Police were actually replacing the 100 LC's. Looked at the 200 but went for the Disco

[Celtoid]

Around town,i recon they are as common as each other,but in the country it is a one horse race.
Some people also can't put up with waiting 6 months for a vehicle either.

Anyway,good luck with the D4,whenever it eventually arrives:)

To me that's the same as saying a BMW M3 is as common as a Ferrari. I just don't get it! On/Off road performance aside...

I might be a little (a lot) biased but even the Lexus Landcruiser just doesn't have the 'presence' or individuality of a Land Rover. Is that volume of sales or is it something more? I recon regardless of how many LR sell, the Disco just stands out!

As I said, I think I'm a little biased. :D

Kev D4 SE 3.0 TD

[Graeme]

but in the country it is a one horse race.
I dunno, I see one every day yet rarely see a 200.

[Disco4SE]

I must admit that I am also a LR fan and after buying mine, seemed like everyone had one, however when I had LC's I used to notice them???

[F4Phantom]

To me that's the same as saying a BMW M3 is as common as a Ferrari. I just don't get it! On/Off road performance aside...

I might be a little (a lot) biased but even the Lexus Landcruiser just doesn't have the 'presence' or individuality of a Land Rover. Is that volume of sales or is it something more? I recon regardless of how many LR sell, the Disco just stands out!

As I said, I think I'm a little biased. :D

Kev D4 SE 3.0 TD

Looks is one thing but based on what I have read the 'feel' of a car is much more than the quality of your dampers. It comes from the intelligence and engineering quality of the chassis, and that is how much time and money and effort was put into all the little holes, folds, bends, cuts, lips, chamfers, and intricacy of the base chassis. I dont know how much the LC200 cost to make, but the commodore cost 1B the falcon 500m and the 2003 RR 1.6B which to my knowledge is still the most expensive chassis ever made.

A porsche dealer once told me most designs cost 1b to develop so the RR was a lot more at 1.6. And it makes the commodore look expensive compared to the falcon because commodore with curtain airbags got a 4 star safety rating (the first series) compared with the falcons 5 star without curtain airbags, so the intelligence in build is very important as the falcon was half the cost and really just as good a car.

So in conclusion a LR feels better than a toyota to drive, and its presence comes from how it sits on the road, somthing that toyota for some reason cant emulate as its certainly more than badge deep, it could be either they spend more money, or they make some good design decisions.

[Celtoid]

Looks is one thing but based on what I have read the 'feel' of a car is much more than the quality of your dampers. It comes from the intelligence and engineering quality of the chassis, and that is how much time and money and effort was put into all the little holes, folds, bends, cuts, lips, chamfers, and intricacy of the base chassis. I dont know how much the LC200 cost to make, but the commodore cost 1B the falcon 500m and the 2003 RR 1.6B which to my knowledge is still the most expensive chassis ever made.

A porsche dealer once told me most designs cost 1b to develop so the RR was a lot more at 1.6. And it makes the commodore look expensive compared to the falcon because commodore with curtain airbags got a 4 star safety rating (the first series) compared with the falcons 5 star without curtain airbags, so the intelligence in build is very important as the falcon was half the cost and really just as good a car.

So in conclusion a LR feels better than a toyota to drive, and its presence comes from how it sits on the road, somthing that toyota for some reason cant emulate as its certainly more than badge deep, it could be either they spend more money, or they make some good design decisions.


Very well said.

[Celtoid]

Looks is one thing but based on what I have read the 'feel' of a car is much more than the quality of your dampers. It comes from the intelligence and engineering quality of the chassis, and that is how much time and money and effort was put into all the little holes, folds, bends, cuts, lips, chamfers, and intricacy of the base chassis. I dont know how much the LC200 cost to make, but the commodore cost 1B the falcon 500m and the 2003 RR 1.6B which to my knowledge is still the most expensive chassis ever made.

A porsche dealer once told me most designs cost 1b to develop so the RR was a lot more at 1.6. And it makes the commodore look expensive compared to the falcon because commodore with curtain airbags got a 4 star safety rating (the first series) compared with the falcons 5 star without curtain airbags, so the intelligence in build is very important as the falcon was half the cost and really just as good a car.

So in conclusion a LR feels better than a toyota to drive, and its presence comes from how it sits on the road, somthing that toyota for some reason cant emulate as its certainly more than badge deep, it could be either they spend more money, or they make some good design decisions.

Don't know if all you D4 owners are having the same experience as me. Ever since I took delivery, I have had so many admirers of my LR and ad hoc conversations with people about my D4.

Related to the above comments by F4Phantom, I feel people just aren't seeing the value of Toyota anymore and are really taken by how good the D4 looks and how well it drives. A Prado and an LC may have similar off-road cred as a LR but they just don't do it as well. On my recent Fraser Island trip, my mate's 2008 Prado handled everything with ease but the ride just wasn't as good. My D4 was an absolue pleasure to drive even through some really cut-up surfaces.

Finally on the Toyota topic. I was sitting on the barge coming home from Fraser and had followed a late model LC and a late model Prado on board. My LR was covered head to foot in mud, sand and salt spray and yet Mr Prado was openly ogling it and then struck up a conversation.

Turns out the guy is a dentist so probablt has a few quid. He actually owned both the LC and Prado. He told me he was looking to replace the Prado and had just had been checking out the new model and stated that he just did not like it. He also stated that he thought that it was way too expensive for what was being offered and that he was committed to getting a D4 as he felt that it was a much better car and was much better value for money.

He wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know but it's a good feeling.

Oh what a feeling.....Land Rover......LOL!!!! :D

[rmp]

There's no question that overall, the D4 is a better vehicle in many ways than the 200, and by a margin. That's not to say there isn't a case for a 200 or that it's a bad car, it's very good indeed.

What is stopping people buying Land Rovers is a fear of unreliability and electronics for the most part. That, and sheer brand snobbery (something never seen with LR owners of course...)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

That, and sheer brand snobbery (something never seen with LR owners of course...)

Talked to a Defender Owner lately?
:angel::angel::angel:
;):p

[rmp]

Talked to a Defender Owner lately?
:angel::angel::angel:
;):p

What, yelled over the noise you mean?

There are those that say electronics are bad.

There are those that say independent suspension is bad.

Still others say coil springs were a backwards step.

And others say the whole coming down from the trees and walking on the hind legs idea was a bad move.

[4x4x2]

Hi
Saw a couple of silver/grey D3/4's not sure with com gov plates at Tailem Bend down here in south oz they were fully tricked up and the guys had brown /uniforms on -so used to seeing LC's but a lot of the guys who use the current Cruisers comment that toyo seem to have got it wrong .
It wont be long til Defender have the offroad -real off road to it self!

[tunnelthug]

Don't know if all you D4 owners are having the same experience as me. Ever since I took delivery, I have had so many admirers of my LR and ad hoc conversations with people about my D4.

Related to the above comments by F4Phantom, I feel people just aren't seeing the value of Toyota anymore and are really taken by how good the D4 looks and how well it drives. A Prado and an LC may have similar off-road cred as a LR but they just don't do it as well. On my recent Fraser Island trip, my mate's 2008 Prado handled everything with ease but the ride just wasn't as good. My D4 was an absolue pleasure to drive even through some really cut-up surfaces.

Finally on the Toyota topic. I was sitting on the barge coming home from Fraser and had followed a late model LC and a late model Prado on board. My LR was covered head to foot in mud, sand and salt spray and yet Mr Prado was openly ogling it and then struck up a conversation.

Turns out the guy is a dentist so probablt has a few quid. He actually owned both the LC and Prado. He told me he was looking to replace the Prado and had just had been checking out the new model and stated that he just did not like it. He also stated that he thought that it was way too expensive for what was being offered and that he was committed to getting a D4 as he felt that it was a much better car and was much better value for money.

He wasn't telling me anything I didn't already know but it's a good feeling.

Oh what a feeling.....Land Rover......LOL!!!! :D

I Agree - value for money may be Toyota's undoing - Prado GXLs and Kakadu's are not significantly cheaper than the D4 SEs and the Landrovers are better cars and better equipped. The price one has to pay for an LC200 these days will get a D4 HSE just about, the better equipped LC200's are now approching Range Rover territory in terms of price, so why would anyone want an LC200?

It appears the gap may be narrowing further - ever since the D4 and the new RRS have hit the scene, the motoring press has continually pilloried their tyre/ rim choice. Apparently, the LC200 and the yet to be released Patrol are following suit. Maybe we will all get better tyre choices going forward. Interesting to see the Thin Blue Line are now equipped with D4s - hopefully, LR will extend servicing support to more regional areas as a result.

Perhaps the aftermarket industry might also spot the trend and start to provide the same range of options currently enjoyed by the Japanese brands. We can but hope.

[GeorgeK]

I must say I have had my Disco 4 HSE for 2 and a half weeks and take it to work at an Army barracks every day. I reckon I have showed at least 20 people over the car in detail and I think some are definitely leaning towards LR for their next purchase. However LR still have the reliability hurdle to get over. Almost everyone who has looked at the car or who has discussed it with me makes a comment on the reliability aspect. It seems that people are having trouble reconciling past issues.
I can't really answer them except to say I did some extensive research before I spent a six-figure sum on the vehicle and I really really hope the reliability issues have been resolved. Maybe I'll have an answer for the doubters in a few years. I didn't tell them that I hate Toyotas with a passion after what they did to me a few years ago. So the fact that the LC200 is not getting favourable write ups helped my decision making.
So saying the above most of the guys cannot afford or don't want to invest in an expensive 4WD. So I recommend a Pajero over a Prado every time. Indeed I can boast I have cost Toyota at least 15 vehicle sales maybe more over the last six years!
I still retain a permagrin as the D4 is a fantastic car (crap Nav system notwithstanding!). It is absolutely a winner.
Cheers
George

[Watpub]

So I recommend a Pajero over a Prado every time. Indeed I can boast I have cost Toyota at least 15 vehicle sales maybe more over the last six years!
I still retain a permagrin as the D4 is a fantastic car (crap Nav system notwithstanding!). It is absolutely a winner.
Cheers
George

I've gotta agree with you George. As you know I've had mine about the same time and I have absolutely no regrets coming out of a LandCruiser (albeit a 100 series GLX). The two cars are like chalk and cheese. The salesman told me to expect this but I thought it was only "sales" talk.

And I also agree about the Prado versus Paj angle. I had a crap 1992 Pajero as an "interim" car for a few months between the Cruiser and the D4. I've got some mates with a 2000 Prado and I reckon the Paj, which is 8 years its senior, offered a more comfortable ride and better equipment.

Regards, Ron

[rmp]

Hmm...Prado vs Pajero. One is not better than the other, it depends on your priorities. The Pajero is the sharper handler and not quite as good offroad nor as comfy a ride. Interior is a matter of personal opinion, particuarly the third row. They are as like and different as Sydney and Melbourne.

Neither are as good an all-rounder as a D4, particularly falling obviously short on towing capacity. Used to be that neither were as pricey, but check spec levels of a 2.7 SE vs a Pajero and especially Prado.

[GeorgeK]

Hi rmp,

ha ha ha :D

I didn't think this forum would every be a place to discuss the relative merits of Pajero v Prado. Briefly, I will agree that the Prado is marginally better off-road (better suspension travel) but the Pajero is substantially better on-road and has a more comfortable interior.

However in all cases neither the Prado nor the Pajero can be compared to the Disco. I must say I find it strange that popular 4WD magazines put the Disco in the same class as Pajero and Prado. I would have thought the Disco would be more properly compared to the LC or even the Patrol.

Maybe I have it wrong.

Cheers

George

[Celtoid]

Used to be that neither were as pricey, but check spec levels of a 2.7 SE vs a Pajero and especially Prado.[/QUOTE]

The Mr Prado dentist that I met on the barge specifically stated that it was going to cost him $105K for the 2010 Prado that he wanted.....

$105K for a Prado!!!!:no2:

[gghaggis]

I posted on a thread here somewhere about impressions of running a Prado, Pajero and D4 over the same off-road obstacles. To recap, the Prado was marginally better than the Paj, but the Paj really surprised as to how close it came to equalling the Prado - the Prado needed it's centre/rear diff locks to keep (just) ahead. Neither could keep up with the D4.

Cheers,

Gordon

[rmp]

The thing about Paj/Prado comparisons is which models are compared, although the generalisations I made are true across the range. For example in early '04 the Prado had a 4-speed petrol auto, by the end of '04 it had a 5-speeder and significantly improved traction control. Yet they were both still Prado 120s 2004 models. In fact, many 120s don't even have traction control as it took Toyota quite a while to follow Mitsuibishi's lead and make it standard across the range. The newer Toyota D4D diesel is signficantly better than the old 3.0 engine. Later Pajeros have a factory rear locker option, but actually most of the time the excellent traction control is a better way to keep going as unlike Discoverys engaging the rear locker disables traction control on the front axle. The Mitsubishi electronics and to a lesser extent engine have followed the same path. I remember one course where two identical-looking Prados of the same year had different 4WD engagement methods, one a conventional lever, the other had a transfer case lever but also a centre diff lock button. One had traction control, the other, lower-spec, only a LSD.

However, neither manufacturer have called their vehicles "Prado II" or "Pajero Mk IV" so it may be difficult to see what the differences are, which over the years of the same bodyshell are just as signficiant as the Discovery 3 to 4. All they've done is chang the model designated, eg Prado 120 to 150 and even within the 120 range there are major differences, at least the Pajero gets a new two-letter designation every change such as NP, NT, NS.

[Watpub]

Used to be that neither were as pricey, but check spec levels of a 2.7 SE vs a Pajero and especially Prado.

The Mr Prado dentist that I met on the barge specifically stated that it was going to cost him $105K for the 2010 Prado that he wanted.....

$105K for a Prado!!!!:no2:

Crikeys, it must have been gold plated. I have to admit (sheepishly :() that I briefly flirted with the idea of getting a Prado before I bought the D4. I was quoted $92,000 drive away for the top spec'd Kakadu.

I did however do some analysis of the numbers and unfortunately the LandRovers didn't stack up too well in the depreciation stakes. Using CarSales.com as a guide I took the new price of a D4 ($86,590) and a Prado ($81,090) and compared this with the average selling price of equivalent vehicles a year old. The Discos came in at $71,500 and the Prados at $74,700. This means the Discos depreciated 17.4% in one year but the Prados only 7.9%. After 6 years the depreciation rates were 60.1% for the Disco and 40.7% for the Prado. I was surprised because I'd expect a vehicle with a bit more prestige would hold up better than a common as muck car.

Admittedly these were only rough and ready figures extracted as averages from CarSales.com. And there are probably all sorts of variables that I haven't factored in - there might even be the odd error here or there in my logic and/or calculations;). But overall the LandRover marque does still have a poor reputation out there in the wider community.

I suspect too that many Prado buyers are cashing in on the LandCruiser's indestructible reputation - "I really don't want anything as big and bulky as a LandCruiser LC200, so I'll buy the smaller sibling instead".

Nevertheless, despite these figures, I'm really, really, really glad I settled on a D4. After all, if all you're ever worried about in life is money you lead a pretty sad existence... and if you don't spend it, the tax man will take it away.

Hmm, maybe all these figures are telling me is that you'd be better off financially buying a near new Disco??? The other thing they are telling me is to convince all Disco owners to hold out for the max price when they sell their cars:p!

Regards, Ron

[mowog]

While the D4 may be becoming common in the urban area's It would seem out west and in the far north they are far from common.

On my recent road trip from the sunshine coast to Undara and back I didn't see another D4. There were plenty of Prado's, LC's & Patrols. I saw a about 5 earlier Discoveries and 1 D3.

I did have a number of people come and want to chat about the D4. Most of them said they wanted a D4.

One old fella who loved the Discovery 4 was a bit put out because of the current pricing.

[Celtoid]

Crikeys, it must have been gold plated. I have to admit (sheepishly :() that I briefly flirted with the idea of getting a Prado before I bought the D4. I was quoted $92,000 drive away for the top spec'd Kakadu.

I did however do some analysis of the numbers and unfortunately the LandRovers didn't stack up too well in the depreciation stakes. Using CarSales.com as a guide I took the new price of a D4 ($86,590) and a Prado ($81,090) and compared this with the average selling price of equivalent vehicles a year old. The Discos came in at $71,500 and the Prados at $74,700. This means the Discos depreciated 17.4% in one year but the Prados only 7.9%. After 6 years the depreciation rates were 60.1% for the Disco and 40.7% for the Prado. I was surprised because I'd expect a vehicle with a bit more prestige would hold up better than a common as muck car.

Admittedly these were only rough and ready figures extracted as averages from CarSales.com. And there are probably all sorts of variables that I haven't factored in - there might even be the odd error here or there in my logic and/or calculations;). But overall the LandRover marque does still have a poor reputation out there in the wider community.

I suspect too that many Prado buyers are cashing in on the LandCruiser's indestructible reputation - "I really don't want anything as big and bulky as a LandCruiser LC200, so I'll buy the smaller sibling instead".

Nevertheless, despite these figures, I'm really, really, really glad I settled on a D4. After all, if all you're ever worried about in life is money you lead a pretty sad existence... and if you don't spend it, the tax man will take it away.

Hmm, maybe all these figures are telling me is that you'd be better off financially buying a near new Disco??? The other thing they are telling me is to convince all Disco owners to hold out for the max price when they sell their cars:p!

Regards, Ron

Dunno Ron,

I wouldn't know one end of a Prado from another regarding year or spec level. That's what the guy said though....I assumed he knew what he was talking about as he already owned one and was definately in favour of the D4. Was the one you looked at a 2010? The last time I looked at a Prado price was for a Grande(?) 2009....starting from around 80K I think, before on road costs....so I wasn't too surprised to hear that they were costing that much drive away for 2010 models, specially as I'd heard they have had a technology 'refresh' and are offering some very LR sounding systems.

On resale value.....

I was originally looking at a late model D3 and had also employed a broker to help me. It was obvious that I was going to have to pay a lot of money for a 2008 or 2009 model D3 (TDs), some with big K's. So I just coughed up the extra for a demo D4.

I think you are right regarding money not being the end all or be all.....it's getting what you want and what makes you happy. I don't regret my descision for a second and don't care how much it depreciates. In real terms, in 4 or 5 years time, I doubt that there will be much in it, specially if D4s remain reliable and more people get a feel for just how great they are to drive. Either way I will have enjoyed years of superiour motoring!

Cheers

Kev.

[Watpub]

Hi Kev,

Yeah it was a 2010 model I was looking at - but I think Toyota were doing it tough with a lot of bad Pius (oops, pun) press. I might have got the salesman at "that time of month" when he needed to make sales.

And hear, hear, I couldn't agree more with your sentiments. I've just been reading LandRover International Magazine and there's a small article in there claiming that Discos have just been voted the most versatile car in the UK, and also came in 6th for overall value and comfort. So maybe the tide is turning.

Regards, Ron

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I dunno, I see one every day yet rarely see a 200.Personally I can recognise a D4, but wouldn't know (or care) what was the difference between the LC200, 100, 80 or whatever they are called

[Jamo]

Well I was told the other day bu a local bloke that the X5 is better off road than either the LC200 or the D4!:eek::eek::eek::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

[Watpub]

Well I was told the other day bu a local bloke that the X5 is better off road than either the LC200 or the D4!:eek::eek::eek::Rolling::Rolling::Rolling:

Was that " better off road" or "better off THE road..."????;)

Anyways, didn't BMW "borrow" the off-road technology for the X5 when they owned LR???

[Disco44]

What's the "diesel rattle" like in the D4.My brother-in-law has just bought the latest Prado and it's as noisy as 96 D1 TDI.I was surprised.Most modern diesels that I have come across are virtually noiseless.

[gghaggis]

Crikeys, it must have been gold plated. I have to admit (sheepishly :() that I briefly flirted with the idea of getting a Prado before I bought the D4. I was quoted $92,000 drive away for the top spec'd Kakadu.


The Prado we took out training was a 2010 Kakadu 3.0 ltr - the owner claimed it cost him $98,000. So they _are_ pretty pricey when spec'd up!

The Paj was a 2009 model.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Pedro_The_Swift]

The Prado we took out training was a 2010 Kakadu 3.0 ltr - the owner claimed it cost him $98,000. So they _are_ pretty pricey when spec'd up!

The Paj was a 2009 model.

Cheers,

Gordon


AND!?!

come on Gordon,,,

its a bit like PICS,,,;):D

[gghaggis]

Sorry Pedro, the day's drive was the subject of a different thread:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/104473-disco-4-v-landcruiser-200-a-7.html#post1257634

Cheers,

Gordon





AND!?!

come on Gordon,,,

its a bit like PICS,,,;):D

[CaverD3]

I think the new Prado just has a tweeked version of the old engine. No wonder it is noisey.

[Graeme]

What's the "diesel rattle" like in the D4.My brother-in-law has just bought the latest Prado and it's as noisy as 96 D1 TDI.I was surprised.Most modern diesels that I have come across are virtually noiseless.
I can just hear a slight rattle on light throttle somewhere under 2000 rpm when going up through the gears manually.

[rmp]

The Prado we took out training was a 2010 Kakadu 3.0 ltr - the owner claimed it cost him $98,000. So they _are_ pretty pricey when spec'd up!

The Paj was a 2009 model.

Cheers,

Gordon

Fair fight then. Those 150 Prados also disable ETC on the front when the rear locker is engaged which can mean a general drop in capability.

Quite a lot of money for a Corolla dashboard with bugeyes on the front quarter panels.

[Celtoid]

I can just hear a slight rattle on light throttle somewhere under 2000 rpm when going up through the gears manually.

Oh, that's only cause you have the windows up....a lot less noise then.
When the windows were down during the Fraser Island trip that I just went on, with Sand selected and in low range, all I could here was a very primordial, satisfying growl.....

;)

[jonesfam]

1. My D3 lives out West & up north & loves it.

2. When I purchased the 09 D3 to have a LC200 with the same spec & extras (as near as possible) was only $1890.00 cheaper.

3. The Disco just feels good.

4. The Missus loves the D3, the LC200 was a tank according to her.

5. One could feel uncomfortable driving a LC & posting on this site.

Jonesfam

[Graeme]

Oh, that's only cause you have the windows up....a lot less noise then.
When the windows were down during the Fraser Island trip that I just went on, with Sand selected and in low range, all I could here was a very primordial, satisfying growl.....

;)
More dust here than on Fraser, I suspect. Come to think of it, the D4 gets a nice growl going with a reasonable bit of throttle and going up manually even with the windows closed, and puts on some speed rather quickly at the same time.

[Celtoid]

More dust here than on Fraser, I suspect. Come to think of it, the D4 gets a nice growl going with a reasonable bit of throttle and going up manually even with the windows closed, and puts on some speed rather quickly at the same time.


:)

Yes, you have to check the speed....deceivingly quick for a large vehicle......as I've found, even off-road.

Love it!

[chris_mack]

I dunno, I see one every day yet rarely see a 200.


are u sure its not the same one u keep seeing!! :D:D

[Celtoid]

are u sure its not the same one u keep seeing!! :D:D

LOL....I can safely say that the road is being flooded with D4s here in Brisbane.....I'm seeing them everywhere. Just the other day, driving off the Story Bridge into the city, there were three in a row....Black, White and my Stornaway Grey.....and the only model missing was the V8 as the White was a HSE, Black base model and my SE.

Might need to get a RR now....LOL :)

[gps-au]

LOL....I can safely say that the road is being flooded with D4s here in Brisbane.....I'm seeing them everywhere. Just the other day, driving off the Story Bridge into the city, there were three in a row....Black, White and my Stornaway Grey.....and the only model missing was the V8 as the White was a HSE, Black base model and my SE.

Might need to get a RR now....LOL :)

I still recon a roller is way overpriced :p

[Celtoid]

I still recon a roller is way overpriced :p


;)....LOL....not so hot offroad either....unless spec'ed up like the one in the Cannon-Ball Run.....

[Graeme]

are u sure its not the same one u keep seeing!! :D:D
Yep, mine! The other few vehicles are mostly tray-top utes.