Synthetic rope

[953]

Looking to change my wire rope.
Roughly whats it worth? ARB $457 for 35meters.
Im sure the spend thrifts can do better than that????:D.
Cheers Dean.

[trobbo]

what size/brand rope are you looking at? I was in at ARB Kilsyth yesterday trying to eyeball a d3 bar without success and saw they had 35 meters of 12mm dynema for about $450. That is a good price. Normal price (not arb's nomal price) for that is $888. The comp guys started on 10mm rope and then moved up to 12mm.

8mm rope is usually about $13 per meter
10mm rope is usually about $16.50 per meter
12mm rope is usually about $25.50 per meter

I think the rope that tigerzz distributes is cheaper however I dont know how it compares on quality.

[Tombie]

Give Simon at 4x4 Intelligence a call....

[windsock]

My brother is a yachtie and was gobsmacked at some of the prices for rope that 4x4 folk pay when he knows of commercial fisherman that pay far less for what he thinks is the same material. I realise commercial fishermen would by bulk but after his comment I thought if ever I wanted synthetic rope I would check this out so maybe those on the coast should maybe check out commercial boat chandelry shops.

Phil

[isuzurover]

Tigerz11.com.au (http://www.tigerz11.com.au/sk75.html)

$289 for 30 m of 9 mm
$310 for 28 m of 10 mm




I think the rope that tigerzz distributes is cheaper however I dont know how it compares on quality.

Tigerz11 claim their rope is dyneema



My brother is a yachtie and was gobsmacked at some of the prices for rope that 4x4 folk pay when he knows of commercial fisherman that pay far less for what he thinks is the same material. I realise commercial fishermen would by bulk but after his comment I thought if ever I wanted synthetic rope I would check this out so maybe those on the coast should maybe check out commercial boat chandelry shops.

Phil

Yes but it isn't any old run of the mill rope/sheet/hawse.
http://www.biasboating.com.au/p-2157-dyneema-spectra-winch-rope.aspx
BIAS Boating list 7 mm Dyneema for what works out as $9.64/m. Tigerz11 sell 9 mm for $9.63/m.

[VladTepes]

Hope your winch is suitable for synthetic rope !

[windsock]

Yes but it isn't any old run of the mill rope/sheet/hawse.
Dyneema (Spectra) Winch Rope (http://www.biasboating.com.au/p-2157-dyneema-spectra-winch-rope.aspx)
BIAS Boating list 7 mm Dyneema for what works out as $9.64/m. Tigerz11 sell 9 mm for $9.63/m.

Yep figured that, also figured my bro knows the difference between a manilla hawse and a synthetic fibre... he uses synthetic ropes on his yacht day to day... just saying is all. He knows people that use it all day every voyage to make a living. A lot of the development of synthetic ropes came from the marine/fishing industry so I would make it my business to know what they can offer if I was looking.

Quality of manufacturing could well be the difference in price you state (could be many things actually). Plenty of scope to get a good fibre (Dyneema) made into a cheap rope... just like winches really... :angel: Caveat emptor and all that.

Way i figure it. We winch (periodically) out of holes for fun so safety is our only concern. Fisherman winch tonnes of fish out for a living and not only is safety a concern but so is their livelihood. Yachties at sea rely on ropes for their lives. I would still look at ship chandelry places for prices at the very least.

EDIT: Yes, it is also important to make sure your winch is suited to synthetics and that it does not heat the rope up too much.

[isuzurover]

Yep figured that, also figured my bro knows the difference between a manilla hawse and a synthetic fibre... he uses synthetic ropes on his yacht day to day... just saying is all. He knows people that use it all day every voyage to make a living. A lot of the development of synthetic ropes came from the marine/fishing industry so I would make it my business to know what they can offer if I was looking.

Quality of manufacturing could well be the difference in price you state (could be many things actually). Plenty of scope to get a good fibre (Dyneema) made into a cheap rope... just like winches really... :angel: Caveat emptor and all that.

Way i figure it. We winch (periodically) out of holes for fun so safety is our only concern. Fisherman winch tonnes of fish out for a living and not only is safety a concern but so is their livelihood. Yachties at sea rely on ropes for their lives. I would still look at ship chandelry places for prices at the very least.

EDIT: Yes, it is also important to make sure your winch is suited to synthetics and that it does not heat the rope up too much.

All well and good, but you seem to be implying that any synthetic rope would do the job...?

My point was, that all the Chandlers which have websites and prices listing are MORE expensive for suitable (dyneema/dynamica/spectra) rope. If you can find a chandler which sells it for less I am sure everyone would be interested, but I cannot.

[disco2hse]

Bought 9mm rope from the shipping suppliers, including splicing on the non-slip eye and a hook. $8.50/m (plus GST). Came straight off the reel, spliced then and there.

Buy branded and you pay extra.

This is braided dyna-whatsit. Yellow, not blue but who cares. Oh, and he supplies a number of winch challenge teams with 11mm of the same type.

[windsock]

An implication is easier to draw that it is to make. I wasn't trying to imply anything.

Just pointing out an observation my bro made to me that may or may not save someone some money if they can be bothered to read my first post for what is was. A suggestion.

A suggestion of an alternative place to look as per the original post...


Im sure the spend thrifts can do better than that???

I am watchful of what I spend. I have spent money at ARB for stuff only they can sell. For other stuff I use on the trail I go to those places that sell it commercially. Steel rope and shackles I go to an industrial rigging outfit. For my spade pick and pry bar I went to an agricultural shop. For leather gloves I went to an engineering shop. My tyres came from a tyre shop. For the steel tube I have used to make stuff I went to a steel wholesaler (and so it goes). IF I was on the look out for synthetic rope I would look to places that sell it to an industry that uses a whole heap more than we do as wheelers.

My original post made mention of 'commercial'. Most commercial ports have chandelry/rope lofts and most likely they'd have the exact same product as 4x4 folk use but not all of them would bother with websites (so by implication, not all prices would be online). Just saying.... ;)

[isuzurover]

Bought 9mm rope from the shipping suppliers, including splicing on the non-slip eye and a hook. $8.50/m (plus GST). Came straight off the reel, spliced then and there.

Buy branded and you pay extra.

This is braided dyna-whatsit. Yellow, not blue but who cares. Oh, and he supplies a number of winch challenge teams with 11mm of the same type.

Buying it from a rope supplier may be the cheapest option.

Btw - to explain the different trademarks in case anyone is interested:

Trade names

Dyneema is a registered trademark of Royal DSM (The Netherlands). Dyneema was invented by DSM in 1979. It has been in commercial production since 1990 at a plant in Heerlen, the Netherlands. In East Asia, DSM has a cooperation agreement with Toyobo for commercial production in Japan. In the United States, DSM has a production facility in Greenville, North Carolina, which is the largest production facility in the United States for UHMWPE fiber.[4]

Honeywell developed a product identical in chemical structure, which is sold under the brand name Spectra. Though the production details are somewhat different, the resulting materials are comparable in properties.[5]
(from Wikipedia)

Buying from the US may be the cheapest option? May need to buy a roll though!
12-Strand Single-Braided DYNEEMA ® (http://www.pelicanrope.com/dyneema.html)

[windsock]

Bought 9mm rope from the shipping suppliers, including splicing on the non-slip eye and a hook. $8.50/m (plus GST). Came straight off the reel, spliced then and there.

Buy branded and you pay extra.

This is braided dyna-whatsit. Yellow, not blue but who cares. Oh, and he supplies a number of winch challenge teams with 11mm of the same type.

How is that Thomas Winch going for you? I have used mine a bit this firewood season - most often simply to pull logs but I have dragged Murdoch (the land rover) out a few times as well. Quite an interesting sight to see a pile of firewood double-hauled from a bog with a truck underneath it... :D

[Hamish71]

Tigerz11.com.au (http://www.tigerz11.com.au/sk75.html)

$289 for 30 m of 9 mm
$310 for 28 m of 10 mm



Tigerz11 claim their rope is dyneema




Yes but it isn't any old run of the mill rope/sheet/hawse.
Dyneema (Spectra) Winch Rope (http://www.biasboating.com.au/p-2157-dyneema-spectra-winch-rope.aspx)
BIAS Boating list 7 mm Dyneema for what works out as $9.64/m. Tigerz11 sell 9 mm for $9.63/m.

Thats a good price. We recently had to do a job for some 'special vehicles', and needed 8km of dyneema. Quoted price was $8.00/m

I wish Id known 12 months later I was going to want 40m of the stuff for myself!!!!!

[isuzurover]

Thats a good price. We recently had to do a job for some 'special vehicles', and needed 8km of dyneema. Quoted price was $8.00/m

I wish Id known 12 months later I was going to want 40m of the stuff for myself!!!!!

You didn't allow an extra 10% for "wastage" :confused: ;) :D

What thickness was that?

[disco2hse]

How is that Thomas Winch going for you? I have used mine a bit this firewood season - most often simply to pull logs but I have dragged Murdoch (the land rover) out a few times as well. Quite an interesting sight to see a pile of firewood double-hauled from a bog with a truck underneath it... :D

Flipping marvelous :D

Wish I'd done it sooner. Been a couple of times that'd have been stuck in an awkward situation without it. Still have the turfor type hand winch, just in case ;)

Oh, I thought it might be too low but only once have I hit the bash plate but that was going down a verrry steep slope into a mud hole. The entry was so steep the guy behind me said he got a really chance to see from the tail gate right down into the engine bay :eek:

[windsock]

/threadjackon/

Yes, the Thomas is a low mounted winch uhh. I was looking at altering the spool width on mine so I can then run it in under-wind mode without rope rubbing the gearhousing. I was just going to make a two piece wood insert to bolt in place to 'push' the rope alignment further away from the gearhouse. Then, being under-wind, I could lift the whole winch up three - four inches and the rope won't rub on the rails of my deck (being mid-mount rear facing).

/threadjackoff/

[DeeJay]

Being of Scottish extraction, I looked at purchasing from America, but the best deal was the $310 Tigerz from Piranna at Bayswater. It comes fitted with heat shield, hook eyelet & end protector, plus eye at the drum end to affix it.

[953]

Thanx to all 4 the replies.
Deejay, what size?what length? Synthetic rope..........of coarse:D.
Cheers Dean.

[Hamish71]

You didn't allow an extra 10% for "wastage" :confused: ;) :D

What thickness was that?

I wasnt back into 4wding then....:( 12mm

[KarlB]

Dyneema fibre ropes are said to be 20% stronger than steel (winch) ropes of the same diameter and consequently the usual size to replace an existing steel winch rope is usually 1-2 mm smaller in diameter. What this does is allow more rope (ie greater length) to be spooled onto the winch drum. A 12 mm Dyneema rope has a reported breaking strength of about 16,000 kg (see Dynamica Rope - World's Strongest Fibre (http://www.secondair.com.au/dynamicarope/drange.htm) ).

[disco2hse]

A 12 mm Dyneema rope has a reported breaking strength of about 16,000 kg (see Dynamica Rope - World's Strongest Fibre (http://www.secondair.com.au/dynamicarope/drange.htm) ).

Yes, that sounds right. The 9mm braid I got has a breaking strain of 9.6 tonnes. That is satisfactory for me, if I need extra pulling power I an always put in a snatch block or two.

Alan

[disco2hse]

/threadjackon/

Yes, the Thomas is a low mounted winch uhh. I was looking at altering the spool width on mine so I can then run it in under-wind mode without rope rubbing the gearhousing. I was just going to make a two piece wood insert to bolt in place to 'push' the rope alignment further away from the gearhouse. Then, being under-wind, I could lift the whole winch up three - four inches and the rope won't rub on the rails of my deck (being mid-mount rear facing).

/threadjackoff/

Sorry guys :angel:

Instead, get hold of Maurice:
Winch Industries P/L
Archerfield Precision Engineering
2 Coin Street, Moorooka 4105
PO Box 206, Acacia Ridge 4110
Ph: 07 3875 1568, Fax: 07 32774316
Email: admin@winch.com.au

You can actually change the sprocket and worm drive so it turns the other way ;)

[windsock]

Hey Alan,

I have replied in my old winch tread here (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/88840-thomas-pto-12v-electric-winch-3.html#post1269986)so we don't threadjack this one anymore... :angel:

Cheers,

Phil

[Brute]

Hi Guys

Try Jeyco in WA (08) 94187500
They are mooring specialists and main importers of plasma 12 strand the original and allegedly best of the synthetic winch ropes.
We use the 3/8 dia on our comp trucks (team rovacraft) which jeyco help us out with.

[DeeJay]

Thanx to all 4 the replies.
Deejay, what size?what length? Synthetic rope..........of coarse:D.
Cheers Dean.

Dyneema SK75 -- 28M X 10MM



Tigerz11.com.au (http://www.tigerz11.com.au/sk75.html)