Puma trouble

[scarry]

The Puma had a flat battery last week after not being run for a month.The dealer had a look & said it was all ok,while they were changing the vacuum pump.
Battery has gone flat overnight on Moreton island:mad:
Tried to jump start,but starter wil not turn.Lights work & so do windows,so battery has some charge.
Does anyone know can it be clutch started,or does it need full voltage for engine immobiliser to operate,therefore can not be clutch started if battery has low voltage.

Thanks in advance

[Scallops]

Paul - can you not just leave some jump leads on your cranker, from a donor vehicle, for a period of time to build sufficient charge in your cranker? If you can get the donor vehicle to sit there with you for, say, 10-15 minutes with some revs - you might be able to regain enough charge to start rather than just going for an instant jump start.

Good luck - do you have Land Rover Assist's number if all else fails?

Dan.

[scarry]

Have tried using donar vehicle running for over half an hour,didn't work.Looks like the vehicle is imobilised for some reason.Have also tried code in door but still won't go.They have spoken to LR assist,who were very helpful,but can't get it to go.

I am at home,relaying by phone.

Probably gonna have to try to tow it across island to barge as LR will not recover if you can't get a 2 wheel drive vehicle to the broken down vehicle,& will not recover on beaches anyway.

His mate with him has a TD4.2 pootrol with dual lockers,big muddies,so should get it aross OK,i hope.No power steering will be a PITA.

Clutching it won't work,if it is immobilised.Haven't got a multimeter to check voltages either.

They are gonna get it to hard sand & try again.

Thanks for your reply...ahhh Defenders we love em:)

Could be something as simple as a buggered battery

[Pedro_The_Swift]

can they swap batteries as a test?

you may be able then to jump the patrol,,,

[Scallops]

My battery had nothing when I went to start one morning - in the middle of the Gibson. After getting over the shock and thoughts of dieing out there - I took a close look at the battery and found the positive connector was loose. If they are overtightened - the clamps crap out really easily.

Other than checking the connections - with the absence of a multi meter it's guess work.

Good luck getting home - if you need a mainland support vehicle let me know.

PS - since when has LR assist not come to one's aid unless a 2 wheel drive vehicle can get to it? They told me - it's anywhere - no exceptions?

[Scallops]

My battery had nothing when I went to start one morning - in the middle of the Gibson. After getting over the shock and thoughts of perishing out there - I took a close look at the battery and found the positive connector was loose. If they are overtightened - the clamps crap out really easily.

Other than checking the connections - with the absence of a multi meter it's guess work.

Good luck getting home - if you need a mainland support vehicle let me know.

PS - since when has LR assist not come to one's aid unless a 2 wheel drive vehicle can get to it? They told me - it's anywhere - no exceptions?

[dullbird]

when my car was immobliised it had nothing to do with the battery:)

never actually found out what the problme was but it hasn't done it since...have you checked the battery in your key fob? if that is low your car wont start

[scarry]

Good luck getting home - if you need a mainland support vehicle let me know.

PS - since when has LR assist not come to one's aid unless a 2 wheel drive vehicle can get to it? They told me - it's anywhere - no exceptions?

Thanks,but we will be OK once on the mainland,thats the easy bit....LR can pick it up.

That's what LR assist have said & is also on the website

Swapping batteries is a thought,but mat not fit,i will see if they can try

Will let you know how we go

[KarlB]

Land Rover 24 Hour Roadside Assistance taken from a dealer's website (Austral Land Rover | Owners' Info | Land Rover Assist (http://www.australlandrover.com.au/owners-info-land-rover-assist.html)):

OFF ROAD ASSISTANCE
Assistance will be provided to eligible vehicles of a four-wheel drive configuration if they become bogged or disabled on a road that is legally trafficable by conventional four-wheel drive vehicles up to the value of $1,000 (including GST). It is limited to one claim per year and any additional cost associated to specialised equipment will be at the expense of the Driver.
...
REMOTE AREAS
Where an eligible vehicle breakdown occurs in a remote (sparsely populated) area Land Rover Roadside Assistance will be provided however, service delivery may be subject to lengthy delays brought about by breakdown location, availability and accessibility.
...
VEHICLE RESCUE
Where the eligible vehicle becomes disabled off a legally trafficable road such as beaches, fields or creek beds, vehicle rescue may be arranged at the driver's expense.

Clearly an important consideration is whether the location on Morton Island is legally a road. I understand some beaches are defined as such. Otherwise there is limited provision to require vehicle registration, enforce drivers to have a drivers licence, and to control speeds, etc.

Cheers
KarlB

[scarry]

:):):):)ITS GOING:):):)

Don't know the full story,but it appears when the battery is low,and the vehicle has been tried to start ,the vehicle will "lock out",as i would call it,and you have to try again in 30 minutes.So as you keep trying things,you won"t get anywhere until you wait 30 minutes.

Now we have to work out what caused the battery to go flat.

It would also be interesting to know if the Puma's can be clutch started with a flat battery .

So the warranty will assist basically anywhere,but will only recover if a two wheel drive vehicle can get to the stricken vehicle

As for Moreton isl,to get to a vehicle even at one of the townships on a road,you still need to have a 4wd to get there.

The TD4.2 patrol,with front & rear difflocks struggled to tow the deefer from the campsite to the hard sand on the beach.Getting across the island would have been interesting

Thanks guys for your help

Scallops,just wondering,how many K's are on your Puma?

[P38ace]

Terms & Conditions on Austral's site are far from clear and look to be out of date.

OFF ROAD ASSISTANCE
Assistance will be provided to eligible vehicles of a four-wheel drive configuration if they become bogged or disabled on a road that is legally trafficable by conventional four-wheel drive vehicles ......

But further down the page under SERVICE CONDITIONS

TRAFFICABLE ROADS
Service will only be provided to eligible vehicles disabled on constructed roads/driveways that are legally trafficable by conventional two wheel drive vehicles .........


Does anyone have the current terms referenced on LR's website.

Roadside Assistance | Land Rover Australia (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/owners/servicing-and-maintenance/roadside-assistance/)

And because it is Land Rover Assistance, help will also be provided if you become bogged or disabled on roads that only four-wheel drives can travel. It is subject to the prescribed Terms and Conditions.

Neither site is particularly clear at differentiating between breakdown while under manufacturers warranty and other forms of immobilisation.

Either way it seems it needs to occur on a legally trafficable road to be covered.

[dmdigital]

Paul, the 30 minute wait sounds about right for the "alarm reset" from a failed access attempt. Do you have the EKA? If so this can assist here as I think it will override the alarm's waiting period. But even so you are going to need 12V at the battery to ensure a start.

Best solution would be to get hold of another battery, drop it in, wait half an hour and try and start it.

[Scallops]

Paul - to answer your questions - my Puma has 52,000km on it. And I don't think a clutch start would be successful given the compression required to start a diesel engine.

Glad the vehicle is going again. I leave mine on a Battery Fighter charger permanently - as I only use mine weekly.

[scarry]

dmdigital,is the EKA the security code?If so they tried that & it didn't work,don't know why,will sort that out when it gets back.


The info i have posted about LR assist is up todate as i spoke to them today.They also were extremely helpful

[dmdigital]

Paul, security code usually refers to the radio. EKA (Emergency Key Access) is also a 4 digit number but is provided separately. Initially this wasn't given out with Australian Defenders and had to be requested by the dealer. See Alarms section (page 16) of the owner's manual. It's all perfectly logical:no2:

[scarry]

Paul, security code usually refers to the radio. EKA (Emergency Key Access) is also a 4 digit number but is provided separately. Initially this wasn't given out with Australian Defenders and had to be requested by the dealer. See Alarms section (page 16) of the owner's manual. It's all perfectly logical:no2:

They did have that code & tried it,but it didn't work.When the vehicle is back we will give it a go & see what happens.
The D2 has one as well,but i have not tried it,i probably should just in case.

[abaddonxi]

Dunno about roll starting a Puma, but I recall reading on here a while back that you can't roll start a Td5 with a completely flat battery - apparently needs a certain minimum for the computer.

The 300tdi 130 needs about a foot of space behind it for a reverse roll start.

Rilka was not completely impressed with this feat, as the VW was parked immediately behind.

My love for the Caravelle shows no bounds.:twisted:

[Scallops]

Dunno about roll starting a Puma, but I recall reading on here a while back that you can't roll start a Td5 with a completely flat battery - apparently needs a certain minimum for the computer.

The 300tdi 130 needs about a foot of space behind it for a reverse roll start.

Rilka was not completely impressed with this feat, as the VW was parked immediately behind.

My love for the Caravelle shows no bounds.:twisted:

So the compression factor isn't an issue - good to know. But Rilka should know better than to park the "German" so close to a British muscle car. :D

[dullbird]

when my car was immobliised it had nothing to do with the battery:)


never actually found out what the problme was but it hasn't done it since...have you checked the battery in your key fob? if that is low your car wont start


yeah good on yeah grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:mad:

couldn't unlock the car this morning.....had to take the disco to work.

Funny the last time it did this is was very wet and cold too.

car was totally covered in dew this morning and it was rewally cold!

[Gav110]

Temp at Newnes dropped to at least minus 6. Had ice on the windshield and bonnet - was bollock-freezing ! No issues starting every morning.

Speaking of Newnes - sorry I wasn't at Zig Zag @ 10 - with the cold temp we were just a tad getting going that morning but did see a red Defender - was that one of the AULRO crew?

When the trip report is filed I will add my shots of the ice camping at Newnes...

[dullbird]

Temp at Newnes dropped to at least minus 6. Had ice on the windshield and bonnet - was bollock-freezing ! No issues starting every morning.
Speaking of Newnes - sorry I wasn't at Zig Zag @ 10 - with the cold temp we were just a tad getting going that morning but did see a red Defender - was that one of the AULRO crew?

When the trip report is filed I will add my shots of the ice camping at Newnes...


Yeah not saying it is that, only that this is the only thing that has been constant when it has happened both times..although the first time the car was in driving rain. more then a heavy due